Bill Musgrave?

TrueD · 08-10-2005, 05:06 PM

What do you guys think of Bill Musgrave?

Do you think he will help the offense?
Bill worked for us a few years back when we had the " we don’t say his name" coach. I though he brought an attacking style of offense to the team, thought we only saw it in practice and pre-season because of the " we don’t say his name" coach overruling all his plays on Sunday. Needless to say he quit on us about half way into the season. I think he went to the Jags for a season or two ( you guys may know more about it ) I just remember him liking the shotgun formation and I know Joe never did like the shotgun back in the day. So what’s the Die Hard fans take on Bill joining the staff?

Daseal · 08-10-2005, 05:19 PM

I think the Jury is still out on Musgrave. I've heard some really bad things about him coming out of Jacksonville. Said he was too conservative in crucial times (exactly the OPPOSITE of what we need) and he was quickly fired. You never know, I think coaches get lucky in situations. Look at Bellichek. Run out of Cleveland - now he's a genius.

On a side note, we'll see how big of a genius he is now that those two amazing coordinators are gone.

JWsleep · 08-10-2005, 05:37 PM

Daseal--where you been?

I think he's young and good with QBs--the knock on him in J-ville was as a coordinator, I thought.

Hopefully, he'll take young PR aside and help him work out the kinks--plus it can't hurt to have input from a different system--Gibbs, Buges, Breaux, Simmons--They probably know what's coming out of each other's mouths before it's said!

TrueD · 08-10-2005, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

I think the Jury is still out on Musgrave. I've heard some really bad things about him coming out of Jacksonville. Said he was too conservative in crucial times (exactly the OPPOSITE of what we need) and he was quickly fired. You never know, I think coaches get lucky in situations. Look at Bellichek. Run out of Cleveland - now he's a genius.

On a side note, we'll see how big of a genius he is now that those two amazing coordinators are gone.

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On a side note, we'll see how big of a genius he is now that those two amazing coordinators are gone

I been sayin the same thing...... I bet he dont look as "smart" this season.

offiss · 08-10-2005, 05:54 PM

I have the same concerns as Daseal, the Jags didn't strike me as a aggresive offense to say the least.

I do think it's a good idea to put Ramsey in the shotgun though, reason being, with all these aggresive defenses and zone blitzing, it may give him a quicker read on where the blitz is coming from and allow him to react better, which may give him more comfortability throwing the ball.

That Guy · 08-10-2005, 06:04 PM

i don't think he can possibly hurt, i mean, did you see our offense last year? it was PAINFUL to watch outside of portis, and even the run game wasn't that great.

hopefully we can take some of his ideas and run with them... i really think ramsey is better suited to the shotgun (isn't that what made him a first round pick?).

Gibbs IS giving him some control and using at least some of his input, so i'm hoping we can at least get to 16th best offense to go with our D. Either way, i haven't seen anything negative about musgrave, but he hasn't been too vocal with the media etc, so i'm really not sure how to evaluate him at this point.

JWsleep · 08-10-2005, 06:07 PM

Mentor and guide to Patrick and Jason--not a bad move. Plus, he's played against current defenses, so that input has to help.

He's not a vital cog, as far as I can tell, but another set of eyes, and a good team player to help out.

People have made more of his presence in the media than it deserved, I think. Like, "Musgrave brought in to fix Gibbs O, etc." I think he's the QB coach--he's worked with some good ones, so why not.

Daseal · 08-10-2005, 06:39 PM

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Daseal--where you been?

Im waking up at 12:30 AM and working pretty long hours. Kinda messing up my sleep schedule. 3 more days on that and I'll be back to make all of you fume!

I think Musgrave will do a good job with quarterback development, but from what I read they also wanted him to help mold our offense and bring it into the new era. If this is indeed true I think we picked the wrong man - the shotgun will be nothing but great for Patrick Ramsey. It gives him a bit of familliarity which I feel he really needs. He ran a real wide open system when he was at Tulane, lots of shotgun lots of his arm being utilized.

I really feel that we need to let some of these speedy receivers catch intermediate balls and keep defenses honest by picking up yards after the catch. Throw slant/cross patterns. I'm okay with the OCCASSIONAL screen, but Gibbs seemed to run it more than Spurrier. I'd also like to see more shots deep. If our offense can establish a passing game it will only help Portis.

GoSkins! · 08-10-2005, 07:58 PM

I think that he will help and he brings a different perspective.

Right now it sounds like the biggest problem is Ramsey staring down his receivers. If Musgrave can help him survey the field and look off receivers then we will start to see amazing things happening.

JWsleep · 08-10-2005, 08:02 PM

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Im waking up at 12:30 AM and working pretty long hours. Kinda messing up my sleep schedule. 3 more days on that and I'll be back to make all of you fume!

Thank goodness! With you and SportsCurmudgeon on summer hours, it's been kinda quiet here...

CRT3 · 08-10-2005, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TrueD

Bill worked for us a few years back when we had the " we don’t say his name" coach. I though he brought an attacking style of offense to the team, thought we only saw it in practice and pre-season because of the " we don’t say his name" coach overruling all his plays on Sunday. Needless to say he quit on us about half way into the season. I think he went to the Jags for a season or two ( you guys may know more about it )

Worked for who? The Redskins? I don't think so. I personally do not like this move. His offense in Jacksonville was stagnate. He like the Steve Spurrier method of throwing downfield everyplay. Check the stats out in Jacksonville.

EternalEnigma21 · 08-10-2005, 10:03 PM

As far as QB development, he's played and coached the best. Between Montana, Young, Manning, and Elway, he's been around some great ones. He played the position and any help he can trickle down from the great ones I mentioned can only help.

I don't think he's gonna be calling plays or anything, but he may be helping the adjustment to opening up the backfield abit.

Overall, Im glad to see Gibbs taking strides to groom his young QB's.

MTK · 08-10-2005, 10:22 PM

If anything Musgrave brings some fresh ideas to the table. I wouldn't worry about Gibbs switching to a west coast offense anytime soon, but we'll likely see a few wrinkles here and there.

NoviSkins · 08-10-2005, 11:18 PM

Did Ramsey ever have an official qb coach??? How can adding one, regardless of his offensive philosophies, do anything but help him???

TrueD · 08-12-2005, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CRT3

Worked for who?

US!

The Panthers!

08-10-2005, 05:06 PM	#1
TrueD Camp Scrub Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 10	Bill Musgrave? What do you guys think of Bill Musgrave? Do you think he will help the offense? Bill worked for us a few years back when we had the " we don’t say his name" coach. I though he brought an attacking style of offense to the team, thought we only saw it in practice and pre-season because of the " we don’t say his name" coach overruling all his plays on Sunday. Needless to say he quit on us about half way into the season. I think he went to the Jags for a season or two ( you guys may know more about it ) I just remember him liking the shotgun formation and I know Joe never did like the shotgun back in the day. So what’s the Die Hard fans take on Bill joining the staff?

08-10-2005, 05:19 PM	#2
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Re: Bill Musgrave? I think the Jury is still out on Musgrave. I've heard some really bad things about him coming out of Jacksonville. Said he was too conservative in crucial times (exactly the OPPOSITE of what we need) and he was quickly fired. You never know, I think coaches get lucky in situations. Look at Bellichek. Run out of Cleveland - now he's a genius. On a side note, we'll see how big of a genius he is now that those two amazing coordinators are gone. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

08-10-2005, 05:37 PM	#3
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 56 Posts: 4,719	Re: Bill Musgrave? Daseal--where you been? I think he's young and good with QBs--the knock on him in J-ville was as a coordinator, I thought. Hopefully, he'll take young PR aside and help him work out the kinks--plus it can't hurt to have input from a different system--Gibbs, Buges, Breaux, Simmons--They probably know what's coming out of each other's mouths before it's said! __________________ Hail from Houston!

08-10-2005, 05:54 PM	#5
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 60 Posts: 3,097	Re: Bill Musgrave? I have the same concerns as Daseal, the Jags didn't strike me as a aggresive offense to say the least. I do think it's a good idea to put Ramsey in the shotgun though, reason being, with all these aggresive defenses and zone blitzing, it may give him a quicker read on where the blitz is coming from and allow him to react better, which may give him more comfortability throwing the ball.

08-10-2005, 06:04 PM	#6
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,574	Re: Bill Musgrave? i don't think he can possibly hurt, i mean, did you see our offense last year? it was PAINFUL to watch outside of portis, and even the run game wasn't that great. hopefully we can take some of his ideas and run with them... i really think ramsey is better suited to the shotgun (isn't that what made him a first round pick?). Gibbs IS giving him some control and using at least some of his input, so i'm hoping we can at least get to 16th best offense to go with our D. Either way, i haven't seen anything negative about musgrave, but he hasn't been too vocal with the media etc, so i'm really not sure how to evaluate him at this point.

08-10-2005, 06:07 PM	#7
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 56 Posts: 4,719	Re: Bill Musgrave? Mentor and guide to Patrick and Jason--not a bad move. Plus, he's played against current defenses, so that input has to help. He's not a vital cog, as far as I can tell, but another set of eyes, and a good team player to help out. People have made more of his presence in the media than it deserved, I think. Like, "Musgrave brought in to fix Gibbs O, etc." I think he's the QB coach--he's worked with some good ones, so why not. __________________ Hail from Houston!

08-10-2005, 07:58 PM	#9
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 55 Posts: 1,587	Re: Bill Musgrave? I think that he will help and he brings a different perspective. Right now it sounds like the biggest problem is Ramsey staring down his receivers. If Musgrave can help him survey the field and look off receivers then we will start to see amazing things happening. __________________ Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. A. Einstien

08-10-2005, 10:03 PM	#12
EternalEnigma21 Assistant Regional Mod Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Carbondale CO Age: 44 Posts: 2,958	Re: Bill Musgrave? As far as QB development, he's played and coached the best. Between Montana, Young, Manning, and Elway, he's been around some great ones. He played the position and any help he can trickle down from the great ones I mentioned can only help. I don't think he's gonna be calling plays or anything, but he may be helping the adjustment to opening up the backfield abit. Overall, Im glad to see Gibbs taking strides to groom his young QB's.

08-10-2005, 10:22 PM	#13
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,741	Re: Bill Musgrave? If anything Musgrave brings some fresh ideas to the table. I wouldn't worry about Gibbs switching to a west coast offense anytime soon, but we'll likely see a few wrinkles here and there. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

08-10-2005, 11:18 PM	#14
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