For the Dockery haters

MTK · 07-06-2005, 01:01 PM

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=1124

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Entering the 2005 season, Derrick Dockery had started 29 consecutive games for the Redskins, the longest streak of any player on the offensive line--and the entire offense, for that matter.

He must be doing something right to have started 29 straight games. Does he need to continue to improve? Of course, but I don't think he deserves half the criticism he seems to get here.

To me he's a promising young player with alot of potential, not someone we need to be looking to replace already.

backrow · 07-06-2005, 01:08 PM

I think he is ok. Just needs to cut down on the jump before the snap, and the holding penalties. I look for more of those pancake blocks he was so well known for at Texas. I saw the article early in the a.m., and hoped someone would start a thread. I was busy (work thingy).

Duffman003 · 07-06-2005, 01:51 PM

My problem with him is he isn't the great run blocker that he should be. He has mental lapses or something during games where he jumps offsides or he misses a block which really hurts Clinton Portis's yards.

TheMalcolmConnection · 07-06-2005, 01:58 PM

I agree. I always thought Lenny Friedman was the weakest link in an otherwise strong chain.

huntz · 07-06-2005, 02:05 PM

This could be the season Derrick shows us what the future holds for his nfl career.

jacobyfan · 07-06-2005, 02:42 PM

I'm with you on this , Matty. I think center was our biggest problem on the line last year, not Dock. I think working with a much improved unit this year everyone will be mystified and talking about how much better he got.

Schneed10 · 07-06-2005, 03:31 PM

I'd be beating on Ray Brown before I'd be beating on Dockery. Dockery is definitely guilty of committing some mental mistakes from the penalties, but you don't see him getting beat physically. It's not like DTs are running him over and sacking the QB, or totally standing him up when he's run-blocking. He makes his blocks, he just makes mental errors. The mental errors are easier to correct through coaching, practice, and experience. If he was getting beat and just couldn't make the blocks, then that's real cause for concern. All he has to do is reduce the mental errors and all of a sudden he's an above average guard.

Now when you watched Ray Brown or Cory Raymer last year, you saw them getting just flat out beaten. Ray Brown didn't have the speed to get out on a lot of quicker pass-rushers, and Raymer wasn't quick enough to get to the LBs on run-blocking. They are older and just weren't getting it done.

Dockery is physically capable, nobody can argue that he's not. If he committs fewer penalties this year I guarantee he won't have any haters on this site.

TheMalcolmConnection · 07-06-2005, 04:30 PM

Speaking of Brown, he had the most costly mental mistakes in the red zone. I can think of at least 3 occassions where he singlehandedly got us out of the red zone and forced us to settle for field goals (or lack thereof when Ola was kicking).

MTK · 07-06-2005, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Speaking of Brown, he had the most costly mental mistakes in the red zone. I can think of at least 3 occassions where he singlehandedly got us out of the red zone and forced us to settle for field goals (or lack thereof when Ola was kicking).

In the 2nd Eagles game he cost us a great scoring opportunity with consecutive false starts.

TheMalcolmConnection · 07-06-2005, 05:21 PM

Yup, and that could have been the difference-maker too.

backrow · 07-06-2005, 05:24 PM

I was hoping 97 yr old R. Brown would finally retire, but, we can't all get what we want!

Longtimefan · 07-06-2005, 10:23 PM

Ray may be getting a little long in the tooth, but he's still a hell of a lot better than Kenyatta Jones. No one can expect Ray Brown to play the way he did the first time he was here because of his age, but last year I'm glad we had him.

Schneed10 · 07-07-2005, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Ray may be getting a little long in the tooth, but he's still a hell of a lot better than Kenyatta Jones. No one can expect Ray Brown to play the way he did the first time he was here because of his age, but last year I'm glad we had him.

True that, he was better than anything else we had... but that's not saying much. Hooray for Jansen's return!

BrudLee · 07-07-2005, 09:40 AM

I'm thrilled that we have both players. Dockery has amazing potential, and Brown has unparalleled experience. Hopefully, with Brown in a reserve role, he can impart some wisdon on the kid rather than worry about his own assignments.

Defensewins · 07-07-2005, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=1124

He must be doing something right to have started 29 straight games. Does he need to continue to improve? Of course, but I don't think he deserves half the criticism he seems to get here.

To me he's a promising young player with alot of potential, not someone we need to be looking to replace already.

You could also say he started 29 games because we have no depth or anyone better then him to replace him.
At what point does Dockery and few other Redskins (Ramsey, T. Jacobs) fall out of the category of a "young" developing player? Dockery is now in his third year, he is not a rookie/ young developing player anymore, he is now a veteran.
The reason I am saying is there were a couple of rookies that came straight of college last year, were drafted in lower rounds than Dockery was two years earlier, and started the entire season for their NFL team. The two rookies I am referring to started for San Diego, a team that went one game short of the Superbowl.
These two rookies played very well last year, better than Dockery played in his first two seasons. Dockery was very mistake prone in his first two seasons. At some point have to stop coddling certain players just because we drafted them high and have alot invested in them.

07-06-2005, 01:08 PM	#2
backrow The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: 36.28 x 76.22 Age: 73 Posts: 1,812	Re: For the Dockery haters I think he is ok. Just needs to cut down on the jump before the snap, and the holding penalties. I look for more of those pancake blocks he was so well known for at Texas. I saw the article early in the a.m., and hoped someone would start a thread. I was busy (work thingy). __________________ '37, '42, '83, '88, '92. Championship!

07-06-2005, 01:51 PM	#3
Duffman003 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 601	Re: For the Dockery haters My problem with him is he isn't the great run blocker that he should be. He has mental lapses or something during games where he jumps offsides or he misses a block which really hurts Clinton Portis's yards.

07-06-2005, 01:58 PM	#4
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: For the Dockery haters I agree. I always thought Lenny Friedman was the weakest link in an otherwise strong chain. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

07-06-2005, 02:05 PM	#5
huntz Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Harrisburg, PA Age: 67 Posts: 311	Re: For the Dockery haters This could be the season Derrick shows us what the future holds for his nfl career.

07-06-2005, 02:42 PM	#6
jacobyfan Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Nashville, TN Age: 45 Posts: 172	Re: For the Dockery haters I'm with you on this , Matty. I think center was our biggest problem on the line last year, not Dock. I think working with a much improved unit this year everyone will be mystified and talking about how much better he got.

07-06-2005, 03:31 PM	#7
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 45 Posts: 12,421	Re: For the Dockery haters I'd be beating on Ray Brown before I'd be beating on Dockery. Dockery is definitely guilty of committing some mental mistakes from the penalties, but you don't see him getting beat physically. It's not like DTs are running him over and sacking the QB, or totally standing him up when he's run-blocking. He makes his blocks, he just makes mental errors. The mental errors are easier to correct through coaching, practice, and experience. If he was getting beat and just couldn't make the blocks, then that's real cause for concern. All he has to do is reduce the mental errors and all of a sudden he's an above average guard. Now when you watched Ray Brown or Cory Raymer last year, you saw them getting just flat out beaten. Ray Brown didn't have the speed to get out on a lot of quicker pass-rushers, and Raymer wasn't quick enough to get to the LBs on run-blocking. They are older and just weren't getting it done. Dockery is physically capable, nobody can argue that he's not. If he committs fewer penalties this year I guarantee he won't have any haters on this site.

07-06-2005, 04:30 PM	#8
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: For the Dockery haters Speaking of Brown, he had the most costly mental mistakes in the red zone. I can think of at least 3 occassions where he singlehandedly got us out of the red zone and forced us to settle for field goals (or lack thereof when Ola was kicking). __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

07-06-2005, 05:21 PM	#10
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: For the Dockery haters Yup, and that could have been the difference-maker too. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

07-06-2005, 05:24 PM	#11
backrow The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: 36.28 x 76.22 Age: 73 Posts: 1,812	Re: For the Dockery haters I was hoping 97 yr old R. Brown would finally retire, but, we can't all get what we want! __________________ '37, '42, '83, '88, '92. Championship!

07-06-2005, 10:23 PM	#12
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: For the Dockery haters Ray may be getting a little long in the tooth, but he's still a hell of a lot better than Kenyatta Jones. No one can expect Ray Brown to play the way he did the first time he was here because of his age, but last year I'm glad we had him.

07-07-2005, 09:40 AM	#14
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	Re: For the Dockery haters I'm thrilled that we have both players. Dockery has amazing potential, and Brown has unparalleled experience. Hopefully, with Brown in a reserve role, he can impart some wisdon on the kid rather than worry about his own assignments. __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

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