Plusses and Minuses vs. Lions

[KI Skins Fan]

I'll try to keep it general to start with and limit my comments, leaving the comments on individual players to others.

Plus

Defense

Hustle on defense; lots of gang tackling
Defense stopped the run for the most part
Better pressure on the passer this week
The safeties showed up and made some plays

Offense

The run game was effective
Offense avoided penalties and false starts
Moved the ball and scored TD's under Colt and Kirk

ST

Had one long punt return
Covered kicks well
59-yard punt with no return

Minus

Defense

Too many missed tackles
CB depth looked suspect

Offense

Poor pass protection
Too many fumbles

ST

Lost another key player (Hayward)

[Alvin Walton]

No pluses as far as I'm concerned.
Our first team offense couldn't do squat.

[MTK]

OL was just brutal, don't know how anyone can fairly judge Griffin with the way he was under constant and often instant pressure.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

OL was just brutal, don't know how anyone can fairly judge Griffin with the way he was under constant and often instant pressure.

Willie smith was terrible. Luavo and Moses were decent I thought.

and the schreff play was bad, But rg3 could have moved to his left or step up in the pocket on the play. Developing a stronger pocket presence is part of his development which he was terrible again. He needs to keep his eyes up and feel these rushes

The one play where the linebacker ran free on a delayed blitz; rg3 needs to see this and move accordingly.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

OL was just brutal, don't know how anyone can fairly judge Griffin with the way he was under constant and often instant pressure.

Who would have thought that the OL would play so poorly that it would partially mask that Griffin is a terrible QB? Yet he managed to once again show that he is indecisive, lacks the necessary instincts for the position, is a fumbler, and is not durable.

[htownskinfan]

Not many pluses thats for sure.
Our first string defense hasnt stopped anybody so far in preseason.The only thing that stopped Stafford was a dropped pass on 3rd down.
We lose another guy for the season,we already sucked at special teams now we lose another one of our best players on st.
And then theres VY2.Like Matty said it was hard to judge his performance because of the pressure,but the fumbles are on him.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

OL was just brutal, don't know how anyone can fairly judge Griffin with the way he was under constant and often instant pressure.

Can someone explain why that happens to Griffin and not our other QB's?
This has been happening to him since yr 2.Has any other qb in the league taken as many brutal hits in a dropback situation as Griff?
Then Kirk or Colt steps in and its completely different.Sure the qb's get pressure,but it's nothing like with Griff and they certainly dont absorb the same hits as Griff does.
This concussion just fcks things up even more.I gauranfukintee you if Griff sits out next week it wont matter how good his replacement does Griff will still be named the starter week 1.
I dont see him being successful unless we go back to the pistol,which is not going to happen.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

No pluses as far as I'm concerned.
Our first team offense couldn't do squat.

Tress Way baby.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Can someone explain why that happens to Griffin and not our other QB's?
This has been happening to him since yr 2.Has any other qb in the league taken as many brutal hits in a dropback situation as Griff?
Then Kirk or Colt steps in and its completely different.Sure the qb's get pressure,but it's nothing like with Griff and they certainly dont absorb the same hits as Griff does.
This concussion just fcks things up even more.I gauranfukintee you if Griff sits out next week it wont matter how good his replacement does Griff will still be named the starter week 1.
I dont see him being successful unless we go back to the pistol,which is not going to happen.

I am concerned that Kirk or McCoy will not get much time in the pocket if the line continues to play the way that they played yesterday. And this has nothing to do with RG3, the line was horrible yesterday period. No QB can be successful if they continue to play like this.

Maybe having Trent back will make a difference. Having this o-line play well is probably one of the more important pieces for the future of this team. They'll get tested next week against another top defense.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Can someone explain why that happens to Griffin and not our other QB's?

This has been happening to him since yr 2.Has any other qb in the league taken as many brutal hits in a dropback situation as Griff?

Then Kirk or Colt steps in and its completely different.Sure the qb's get pressure,but it's nothing like with Griff and they certainly dont absorb the same hits as Griff does.

This concussion just fcks things up even more.I gauranfukintee you if Griff sits out next week it wont matter how good his replacement does Griff will still be named the starter week 1.

I dont see him being successful unless we go back to the pistol,which is not going to happen.

Was Cousins or McCoy playing against #1's?

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Was Cousins or McCoy playing against #1's?

I'm not just talking about last nights game.Since Griff's 2nd yr this has been a pattern.

[Chico23231]

I shocked folks here are satisfied with RG3 play last night.

Regardless of the oline, tell me where he has improved. Where did RG3 show you growth?

[Chico23231]

the play he got hurt, RG3 had 2 receivers running free in the secondary.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I shocked folks here are satisfied with RG3 play last night.

Regardless of the oline, tell me where he has improved. Where did RG3 show you growth?

He hasn't, but I just don't get a boner complaining about him like some folks do here. Nor do I think Cousins is the second coming of Montana.

Bigger issues for this team moving forward is the offensive line and the running game. People are so obsessed bitching about RG3, they forget the fact that the o-line looked bad. And that needs to be fixed because we don't have stability in the QB position and we're going to need to run to hopefully win games.

The performance of the first-team defense is another bigger issue than RG3. The team put a lot of effort this offseason to improve it and they haven't shown much in two games.

I wish fans would get over the QB position. It took Pete Carroll 3 years to address that position, and while he wasn't worrying about the position he built the Seattle team that we see today.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

the play he got hurt, RG3 had 2 receivers running free in the secondary.

Might even make the case for 3 of them.