Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts

MTK · 04-06-2005, 11:41 PM

Here's a piece of news we can really chew on:

Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...5-2005Apr6.html

By Jason La Canfora
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, April 7, 2005; Page D01

Washington Redskins Coach Joe Gibbs expressed frustration yesterday over the absence of top wide receiver Santana Moss and starting safety Sean Taylor from voluntary offseason workouts, which are in their third week, and believes both key players should be attending regularly.

"Everybody should be here," said Gibbs, who stressed the importance of workouts when in a team meeting that neither player attended last week. "Everybody should be here, and it's very disappointing to us when they're not here."

Moss, 25, was Washington's most significant offseason addition and was acquired from the New York Jets last month for star receiver Laveranues Coles, who requested a trade after expressing concerns about Washington's offense. Taylor was selected fifth overall in the 2004 draft and has been seeking to renegotiate his contract, which is worth a maximum of $40 million.

Both players, who attended the University of Miami and are represented by agent Drew Rosenhaus, are believed to be working out in Florida. Moss has one year and $450,000 remaining on his contract, and the Redskins immediately expressed a strong desire to sign him to a new deal. Moss is seeking a contract with a significant signing bonus comparable to other top receivers, sources said, and, those talks appear to have hit a snag.

Gibbs said he believed that Moss's absence was related to his desire for a new contract, adding, "We're just working through a process there and trying to work [his contract] out, but the bottom line is everybody should be here."

When asked if he thought a resolution was near, he said, "I have no idea. We're just trying to work our way through it."

Gibbs confirmed last week that team officials had held discussions with Taylor to hear his contract concerns, but at this point the Redskins do not appear inclined to greatly alter that deal. "We've had some meetings there," Gibbs said last Thursday, "But he's got a contract, and we're all set there for a bunch of years, so we're in good shape there."

Rosenhaus has not returned numerous phone messages regarding Moss and Taylor, but told the Associated Press last month that Moss was thrilled to be a Redskin. "He's going to be a focal point of their offense," Rosenhaus said. "I anticipate that we'll be able to work out a very lucrative extension for him.''

The Redskins were adamant about getting rid of Coles after he expressed a desire to play elsewhere, taking a $9 million salary-cap hit to complete the trade, but Coles was routinely lauded for his passion during games, practices and offseason workouts, a fact not lost on some Redskins yesterday who privately expressed concerns about Moss's actions so early in his tenure with the organization.

Most every Redskins player is at the team's headquarters at least four days a week, lifting weights and working on conditioning. This time is most critical for receivers and quarterbacks, however, particularly those who have never played together, as the Redskins are desperate to improve the league's third-worst passing game.

Starting quarterback Patrick Ramsey said he left a phone message with Moss but has yet to speak with him and has no idea when he might report to Redskins Park. While not criticizing the receiver, Ramsey said he believes a lot can be accomplished in voluntary workouts.

"Our job now is to prepare," Ramsey said, "and you don't even want to really approach it from a job standpoint, you want to approach it kind of from a pride standpoint, that this is what I want, this is what I need to do -- and maybe even more than this -- to get ready to get to where we want to go as a team. It's not like I have to go do it, it's like, 'it's time to go get it done.' "

Wide receiver Taylor Jacobs, who has not spoken to Moss but is represented by Rosenhaus, said: "I think Santana's got some things he's got to work out right now with the organization and his agent. We share the same agent, and I know our agent will get it done. But being out there with the guys this time of year is great, and it's a chance to get better."

Moss was selected 16th overall by the Jets in 2001 and posted his best season in 2003 with 74 catches for 1,105 yards and 10 touchdowns. Last season he slipped to 45 receptions for 838 yards and five touchdowns.

"I don't really understand how all this works, and I guess it's not a huge surprise to me that he's not here," said second-year H-back Chris Cooley, "but it's kind of weird that he's brand new here and it looks like he's not going to make it for the workouts."

Redskins Notes: The Redskins signed linebacker Brian Allen, who had been with Carolina, to bolster their special teams. . . . A miscommunication between Taylor and team officials resulted in the Redskins ordering and selling jerseys with his name and the No. 21 on the back at team stores. Taylor did not change from No. 36, however, and, according to a team representative, the mistake has been corrected. Those who bought the No. 21 jersey will be given refunds if they desire.

skinsguy · 04-07-2005, 12:14 AM

Okay...yeah Taylor and Moss are working out in Florida..but it's a team thing! I know these workouts are voluntary, but I believe every player showing up and working out as a team shows unity and shows that those guys want to make a difference. Not the type of news I like to hear coming from one of our up and coming stars in taylor, and a new receiver like Moss who needs every chance he can get to develop something with his quarterback.

Daseal · 04-07-2005, 12:19 AM

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Moss is seeking a contract with a significant signing bonus comparable to other top receivers, sources said, and, those talks appear to have hit a snag.

Stop worrying - I found the sang. He's not a top receiver.

I think Moss being at the workouts is more important than Sean. He's not the one adapting to a new system. Though I'm not excusing him. Everyone should be there. I swear to god, these Miami guys are like the people that graduate high school but still come back for lunch every day.

MTK · 04-07-2005, 12:22 AM

Moss should really be there, so should Taylor, but Moss especially. New team, new system, new QB, c'mon Moss get your butt to DC.

Daseal, I was thinking the same thing, what's up with these Miami guys?? They really think their shit don't stink.

SmootSmack · 04-07-2005, 12:26 AM

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Starting quarterback Patrick Ramsey said he left a phone message with Moss but has yet to speak with him and has no idea when he might report to Redskins Park. While not criticizing the receiver, Ramsey said he believes a lot can be accomplished in voluntary workouts.

"Our job now is to prepare," Ramsey said, "and you don't even want to really approach it from a job standpoint, you want to approach it kind of from a pride standpoint, that this is what I want, this is what I need to do -- and maybe even more than this -- to get ready to get to where we want to go as a team. It's not like I have to go do it, it's like, 'it's time to go get it done.' "

I think Ramsey put it best there.

Daseal · 04-07-2005, 12:30 AM

How ironic that a camp holdout says such things.

SmootSmack · 04-07-2005, 12:32 AM

People change, people learn

Gmanc711 · 04-07-2005, 12:34 AM

Seriously, why the hell would we want to overpay his @$$ if hes not even going to workout?? Honestly, he is not a top teir reciver, so he shouldnt be paid like one. If he is so good; load his contract with lucrative incentives and if he performs well then he can get paid for it. Not a good way to start off, IMO.

Taylor... who knows with him. I'm just gonna put on my burgandy googles and look past it for now.

I did like that some of the guys seemed to be taking a leadership role, and kinda "calling" out Moss inperticular. Cooley and Ramsey both had comments that were encouraging to hear. I'd be pissed off if I was Ramsey; Id want to get as much time in with Moss as possible.

FRPLG · 04-07-2005, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

How ironic that a camp holdout says such things.

I don't think his holdout was unreasonable. A guy has to get a fair deal and if holding out gets it then it was the way to go. There are so many sides to the issue though so I am conflicted when guys hold out for sure.

ST21 · 04-07-2005, 12:49 AM

I'm laughing at all of you who thought that this was going to be a Patriot thing......wake up Dorthy were not in Kansas anymore.....LOL

illdefined · 04-07-2005, 12:51 AM

ugh, i hate to see it. ST just gets more and more erratic.

MTK · 04-07-2005, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

ugh, i hate to see it. ST just gets more and more erratic.

More erratic?

Sounds like par for the course.

MTK · 04-07-2005, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

People change, people learn

He sucks anyway so who cares

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-07-2005, 01:01 AM

Yup. So does Ramsey.

jthor99 · 04-07-2005, 01:45 AM

Both of them missing i believe is a big deal. Moss should have no excuse i understand he would like a contract extension, and knowing snyder it will get done. But he should be there working with ramsey to get chemistry i dont know about you guys, but i expect a big year out of moss with the money we are about to pay him. As for Taylor, i truly believe that this sean taylor situation could lag on a bit. We all know that he wasnt happy at all with his rookie contract (incentive based deal). With how he played last year hes looking for big $$$ and i believe he deserves it, but he also signed his name on the dotted line. One thing i remeber Chris Mortensen said right before we drafted sean taylor was a close source to him told him that "Teams needed to do alot of digging on him before drafting him". By no means im not saying we shouldnt of drafted him because we made the right choice i just believe sean might cus a slight problem.

04-06-2005, 11:41 PM	#1
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,686	Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts Here's a piece of news we can really chew on: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...5-2005Apr6.html By Jason La Canfora Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, April 7, 2005; Page D01 Washington Redskins Coach Joe Gibbs expressed frustration yesterday over the absence of top wide receiver Santana Moss and starting safety Sean Taylor from voluntary offseason workouts, which are in their third week, and believes both key players should be attending regularly. "Everybody should be here," said Gibbs, who stressed the importance of workouts when in a team meeting that neither player attended last week. "Everybody should be here, and it's very disappointing to us when they're not here." Moss, 25, was Washington's most significant offseason addition and was acquired from the New York Jets last month for star receiver Laveranues Coles, who requested a trade after expressing concerns about Washington's offense. Taylor was selected fifth overall in the 2004 draft and has been seeking to renegotiate his contract, which is worth a maximum of $40 million. Both players, who attended the University of Miami and are represented by agent Drew Rosenhaus, are believed to be working out in Florida. Moss has one year and $450,000 remaining on his contract, and the Redskins immediately expressed a strong desire to sign him to a new deal. Moss is seeking a contract with a significant signing bonus comparable to other top receivers, sources said, and, those talks appear to have hit a snag. Gibbs said he believed that Moss's absence was related to his desire for a new contract, adding, "We're just working through a process there and trying to work [his contract] out, but the bottom line is everybody should be here." When asked if he thought a resolution was near, he said, "I have no idea. We're just trying to work our way through it." Gibbs confirmed last week that team officials had held discussions with Taylor to hear his contract concerns, but at this point the Redskins do not appear inclined to greatly alter that deal. "We've had some meetings there," Gibbs said last Thursday, "But he's got a contract, and we're all set there for a bunch of years, so we're in good shape there." Rosenhaus has not returned numerous phone messages regarding Moss and Taylor, but told the Associated Press last month that Moss was thrilled to be a Redskin. "He's going to be a focal point of their offense," Rosenhaus said. "I anticipate that we'll be able to work out a very lucrative extension for him.'' The Redskins were adamant about getting rid of Coles after he expressed a desire to play elsewhere, taking a $9 million salary-cap hit to complete the trade, but Coles was routinely lauded for his passion during games, practices and offseason workouts, a fact not lost on some Redskins yesterday who privately expressed concerns about Moss's actions so early in his tenure with the organization. Most every Redskins player is at the team's headquarters at least four days a week, lifting weights and working on conditioning. This time is most critical for receivers and quarterbacks, however, particularly those who have never played together, as the Redskins are desperate to improve the league's third-worst passing game. Starting quarterback Patrick Ramsey said he left a phone message with Moss but has yet to speak with him and has no idea when he might report to Redskins Park. While not criticizing the receiver, Ramsey said he believes a lot can be accomplished in voluntary workouts. "Our job now is to prepare," Ramsey said, "and you don't even want to really approach it from a job standpoint, you want to approach it kind of from a pride standpoint, that this is what I want, this is what I need to do -- and maybe even more than this -- to get ready to get to where we want to go as a team. It's not like I have to go do it, it's like, 'it's time to go get it done.' " Wide receiver Taylor Jacobs, who has not spoken to Moss but is represented by Rosenhaus, said: "I think Santana's got some things he's got to work out right now with the organization and his agent. We share the same agent, and I know our agent will get it done. But being out there with the guys this time of year is great, and it's a chance to get better." Moss was selected 16th overall by the Jets in 2001 and posted his best season in 2003 with 74 catches for 1,105 yards and 10 touchdowns. Last season he slipped to 45 receptions for 838 yards and five touchdowns. "I don't really understand how all this works, and I guess it's not a huge surprise to me that he's not here," said second-year H-back Chris Cooley, "but it's kind of weird that he's brand new here and it looks like he's not going to make it for the workouts." Redskins Notes: The Redskins signed linebacker Brian Allen, who had been with Carolina, to bolster their special teams. . . . A miscommunication between Taylor and team officials resulted in the Redskins ordering and selling jerseys with his name and the No. 21 on the back at team stores. Taylor did not change from No. 36, however, and, according to a team representative, the mistake has been corrected. Those who bought the No. 21 jersey will be given refunds if they desire. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

04-07-2005, 12:14 AM	#2
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts Okay...yeah Taylor and Moss are working out in Florida..but it's a team thing! I know these workouts are voluntary, but I believe every player showing up and working out as a team shows unity and shows that those guys want to make a difference. Not the type of news I like to hear coming from one of our up and coming stars in taylor, and a new receiver like Moss who needs every chance he can get to develop something with his quarterback. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

04-07-2005, 12:22 AM	#4
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,686	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts Moss should really be there, so should Taylor, but Moss especially. New team, new system, new QB, c'mon Moss get your butt to DC. Daseal, I was thinking the same thing, what's up with these Miami guys?? They really think their shit don't stink. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

04-07-2005, 12:30 AM	#6
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts How ironic that a camp holdout says such things. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

04-07-2005, 12:32 AM	#7
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts People change, people learn __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

04-07-2005, 12:34 AM	#8
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts Seriously, why the hell would we want to overpay his @$$ if hes not even going to workout?? Honestly, he is not a top teir reciver, so he shouldnt be paid like one. If he is so good; load his contract with lucrative incentives and if he performs well then he can get paid for it. Not a good way to start off, IMO. Taylor... who knows with him. I'm just gonna put on my burgandy googles and look past it for now. I did like that some of the guys seemed to be taking a leadership role, and kinda "calling" out Moss inperticular. Cooley and Ramsey both had comments that were encouraging to hear. I'd be pissed off if I was Ramsey; Id want to get as much time in with Moss as possible. __________________ #21

04-07-2005, 12:49 AM	#10
ST21 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 519	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts I'm laughing at all of you who thought that this was going to be a Patriot thing......wake up Dorthy were not in Kansas anymore.....LOL

04-07-2005, 12:51 AM	#11
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 48 Posts: 2,631	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts ugh, i hate to see it. ST just gets more and more erratic.

04-07-2005, 01:01 AM	#14
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,236	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts Yup. So does Ramsey. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-07-2005, 01:45 AM	#15
jthor99 Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 17	Re: Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts Both of them missing i believe is a big deal. Moss should have no excuse i understand he would like a contract extension, and knowing snyder it will get done. But he should be there working with ramsey to get chemistry i dont know about you guys, but i expect a big year out of moss with the money we are about to pay him. As for Taylor, i truly believe that this sean taylor situation could lag on a bit. We all know that he wasnt happy at all with his rookie contract (incentive based deal). With how he played last year hes looking for big $$$ and i believe he deserves it, but he also signed his name on the dotted line. One thing i remeber Chris Mortensen said right before we drafted sean taylor was a close source to him told him that "Teams needed to do alot of digging on him before drafting him". By no means im not saying we shouldnt of drafted him because we made the right choice i just believe sean might cus a slight problem.

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