GM issues

dirtbag2112 · 03-12-2005, 01:11 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2005Mar9.html

what do you guys think? Can coach cut it as GM??

jordanz301 · 03-12-2005, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtbag2112

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2005Mar9.html

what do you guys think? Can coach cut it as GM??

yea i read that article also nd i personally dnt think coach can cut it.....nd i also know u guys are going to give me a mouthful from this comment im about to make but i dnt think his theme of if u dnt want to be here get out is really going to be that effective........newsflash to gibbs NFL HAS A SALARY CAP NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS NOT THAT SIMPLE.........

redwagonskins · 03-12-2005, 01:25 PM

I don't necessarily think he's doing a bad job. He made some tough decisions that for the first time, had the future in mind. You got to give him a year or two to get his players in the then re-evaluate.
Evry off-season when the skins go on a spending spree, everybody bashes us. When we don't go out and do the same thing this year, everybody bashes us.

MTK · 03-12-2005, 01:34 PM

The front office is in a lose-lose situation right now, damned if they do and damned if they don't.

If they outbid everyone for Smoot and Pierce we'd probably hear about how they are screwed regarding the cap and the team is selling its future to win now.

JWsleep · 03-12-2005, 01:45 PM

Just curious. What other teams in the league have the coach as de facto GM?

As for the skins, I think people would be holding their tongues about the FO except for the Coles situation. Not overbidding for players is a step in the right direction I think, but the Coles thing was such a circus that they can't look good. And it wasn't good. They lost a guy they paid a ton of money to and traded away a #1 pick for--however it happened, it's an FO mistake. And once again the media is filled with stories of Danny boy ranting and raving and meddling. I wonder how Gibbs felt when he read about Danny and the flat screen TV? I hope Gibbs has a fatherly chat with our favorite young billionaire and says, "Son, if you do that again, I'll walk. Oh, and please detach that monkey-boy from your ass. It's embarrasing."

MTK · 03-12-2005, 01:49 PM

I'm not sure if there was an "ideal" way to handle the Coles situation. Could it have been dealt with better? Yeah probably.

I'm glad it's over and both sides have moved on. Hopefully we as fans can move on as well. It's water under the bridge at this point.

jordanz301 · 03-12-2005, 02:00 PM

i agree wit matty on this one the coles situation is squashed its done im jst happy we dnt have a player upset on either side at this point

BossHog · 03-12-2005, 02:50 PM

It's no secrect that Gibbs has had his hands full since day one. Isn't the fact that he has so many assistants proof of that?

offiss · 03-12-2005, 03:03 PM

Gibb's did a nice job in last year's draft as far as evaluation of talent on the college level, I can even live with giving up a second rd. pick for Portis even though I was against it, the Brunell situation is the 1 thing that is killing him right now, I am also watching how he's handled thing's this year, and it seem's to me he's learned a lesson from that deal as well, he's starting to realize that if your going to shell out big buck's for a player you better make sure you can't replace him reasonably for a much lower salary, I defiently believe that is what happened with Smoot, we all know he wanted Pierce but I still believe that they feel they can replace him at a minimum cost, if your going to pay out the big buck's to certain player's than you better find bargain's at other position's.

Daseal · 03-12-2005, 03:10 PM

I don't like coach/gm combos. Parcells, Holmgren, etc. I just don't think head coaches have the time to dedicate to scouting that a GM does.

I feel he's made some mistakes, but also made great moves:
(Brunell, Smoot, Coles situation)
(Portis, Washington, Griffen, Springs, last years draft)

drew54 · 03-12-2005, 04:56 PM

Thats why our cousin Vinney is the head of scouting. But I still think we need a GM. Maybe we could hire the guy who is head of scouting at Miami University. They seem to be NFL U, why not bring him onboard and see what happens. It cant hurt anything.

I also think having that huge coaching staff is an awesome idea. As long as all of them are on the same page more power to us.

I like Wilbon and I like his point of view on almost everything he has ever written. He doenst wear the Burgandy colored glasses like we do, and he doesnt hate like that BITCH Sally Jerkoff.

Once again I think Wilbon is right, our hands were tied with Coles, and maybe we should have just gaged him and tied him up in the basement, but we had to rid ourselves of that problem. Were paying now, to rid ourselves of future (toe) problems.

John Hasbrouck · 03-12-2005, 06:27 PM

I don't care for coach/GM combos either. Danny Boy should allow Gibbs to bring in his own GM.

Longtimefan · 03-12-2005, 09:50 PM

When Gibbs was on his first stint with the team he had a GM and all he had to do was concentrate on coaching the players Bethard aquired. Plus there was no free agency and that's the killer today. I think through loosing Pierce and Smoot he's learning just how difficult it is to keep a team together in this new age of football.
Further, during his initial stint the Redskins could get just about any player they wanted and Mr. Cooke would pay them. The problem today is not only getting them, but keeping them.

03-12-2005, 01:25 PM	#3
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	Re: GM issues I don't necessarily think he's doing a bad job. He made some tough decisions that for the first time, had the future in mind. You got to give him a year or two to get his players in the then re-evaluate. Evry off-season when the skins go on a spending spree, everybody bashes us. When we don't go out and do the same thing this year, everybody bashes us.

03-12-2005, 01:34 PM	#4
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Re: GM issues The front office is in a lose-lose situation right now, damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they outbid everyone for Smoot and Pierce we'd probably hear about how they are screwed regarding the cap and the team is selling its future to win now. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-12-2005, 01:45 PM	#5
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,714	Re: GM issues Just curious. What other teams in the league have the coach as de facto GM? As for the skins, I think people would be holding their tongues about the FO except for the Coles situation. Not overbidding for players is a step in the right direction I think, but the Coles thing was such a circus that they can't look good. And it wasn't good. They lost a guy they paid a ton of money to and traded away a #1 pick for--however it happened, it's an FO mistake. And once again the media is filled with stories of Danny boy ranting and raving and meddling. I wonder how Gibbs felt when he read about Danny and the flat screen TV? I hope Gibbs has a fatherly chat with our favorite young billionaire and says, "Son, if you do that again, I'll walk. Oh, and please detach that monkey-boy from your ass. It's embarrasing." __________________ Hail from Houston!

03-12-2005, 01:49 PM	#6
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Re: GM issues I'm not sure if there was an "ideal" way to handle the Coles situation. Could it have been dealt with better? Yeah probably. I'm glad it's over and both sides have moved on. Hopefully we as fans can move on as well. It's water under the bridge at this point. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-12-2005, 02:00 PM	#7
jordanz301 Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: damascus, maryland Age: 36 Posts: 161	Re: GM issues i agree wit matty on this one the coles situation is squashed its done im jst happy we dnt have a player upset on either side at this point

03-12-2005, 01:11 PM	#1
dirtbag2112 Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 293	GM issues http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2005Mar9.html what do you guys think? Can coach cut it as GM??

03-12-2005, 02:50 PM	#8
BossHog Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Norfolk, Va Posts: 665	Re: GM issues It's no secrect that Gibbs has had his hands full since day one. Isn't the fact that he has so many assistants proof of that?

03-12-2005, 03:03 PM	#9
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 60 Posts: 3,097	Re: GM issues Gibb's did a nice job in last year's draft as far as evaluation of talent on the college level, I can even live with giving up a second rd. pick for Portis even though I was against it, the Brunell situation is the 1 thing that is killing him right now, I am also watching how he's handled thing's this year, and it seem's to me he's learned a lesson from that deal as well, he's starting to realize that if your going to shell out big buck's for a player you better make sure you can't replace him reasonably for a much lower salary, I defiently believe that is what happened with Smoot, we all know he wanted Pierce but I still believe that they feel they can replace him at a minimum cost, if your going to pay out the big buck's to certain player's than you better find bargain's at other position's.

03-12-2005, 03:10 PM	#10
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: GM issues I don't like coach/gm combos. Parcells, Holmgren, etc. I just don't think head coaches have the time to dedicate to scouting that a GM does. I feel he's made some mistakes, but also made great moves: (Brunell, Smoot, Coles situation) (Portis, Washington, Griffen, Springs, last years draft)

03-12-2005, 04:56 PM	#11
drew54 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: IOWA Age: 42 Posts: 1,324	Re: GM issues Thats why our cousin Vinney is the head of scouting. But I still think we need a GM. Maybe we could hire the guy who is head of scouting at Miami University. They seem to be NFL U, why not bring him onboard and see what happens. It cant hurt anything. I also think having that huge coaching staff is an awesome idea. As long as all of them are on the same page more power to us. I like Wilbon and I like his point of view on almost everything he has ever written. He doenst wear the Burgandy colored glasses like we do, and he doesnt hate like that BITCH Sally Jerkoff. Once again I think Wilbon is right, our hands were tied with Coles, and maybe we should have just gaged him and tied him up in the basement, but we had to rid ourselves of that problem. Were paying now, to rid ourselves of future (toe) problems.

03-12-2005, 06:27 PM	#12
John Hasbrouck Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 180	Re: GM issues I don't care for coach/GM combos either. Danny Boy should allow Gibbs to bring in his own GM.

03-12-2005, 09:50 PM	#13
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: GM issues When Gibbs was on his first stint with the team he had a GM and all he had to do was concentrate on coaching the players Bethard aquired. Plus there was no free agency and that's the killer today. I think through loosing Pierce and Smoot he's learning just how difficult it is to keep a team together in this new age of football. Further, during his initial stint the Redskins could get just about any player they wanted and Mr. Cooke would pay them. The problem today is not only getting them, but keeping them.

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