Bruce Allen or Mike Shanahan

REDSKINS4ever · 11-08-2012, 07:47 PM

Who should be in charge of personnel? Does Bruce Allen have little if any say in who the Redskins draft? Bruce Allen is the only GM to ever draft a kicker in the 1st round, but most of his draft picks, especially earlier in his career, has been excellent picks. In the case of Mike Shanahan, how often in the NFL does a HC wear the GM hat as well and is successful? And lastly, a question to Redskins nation. Who would you rather have picking the players, Allen or Shanahan?

los panda · 11-08-2012, 07:54 PM

what do bruce allen, bruce wayne, and bruce springsteen have in common?

DynamiteRave · 11-08-2012, 08:06 PM

Allen with input from Shanahan.

VTSkins1961 · 11-08-2012, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Allen with input from Shanahan.

That is a no brainer. Like you said Allen with input Shanahan

SFREDSKIN · 11-08-2012, 08:46 PM

The kicker he drafted in the 1st was following Al Davis orders.

CultBrennan59 · 11-08-2012, 08:59 PM

Allen. But shanahan knows how to get RBs; so ill ask him for that field only.

REDSKINS4ever · 11-08-2012, 09:35 PM

Looking back at history, the GM made the picks and acquired the players in free agency and the head coach coached them. But Bruce is not picking the players. Shanahan is.

mbedner3420 · 11-08-2012, 10:15 PM

I feel like all of these recent threads are just restated themes from the fire Shanny thread...

skinsfaninok · 11-08-2012, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mbedner3420

I feel like all of these recent threads are just restated themes from the fire Shanny thread...

They are lol. I think each day that passes folks are just more miserable. Ik I am.

Chico23231 · 11-08-2012, 11:21 PM

Key Lime or Lemon Meringue?

Swarley · 11-08-2012, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

Key Lime or Lemon Meringue?

inb4 cheesecake

REDSKINS4ever · 11-09-2012, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mbedner3420

I feel like all of these recent threads are just restated themes from the fire Shanny thread...

Somewhat. But I'm not taking anything away from Shanahan the head coach. I question his evaluation of talent. The NY Midgets have Jerry Reese scouting and drafting their players and Tom Coughlin coaching them. That's the same formula that was used during the glory years with Bobby Bethard and Joe Gibbs. Shanahan's evaluation of talent can also be questioned in his decision making as HC like releasing Terrance Austin and keeping Aldrick Robinson. Austin was simply the better and more reliable wide receiver.

Dogtag · 11-09-2012, 09:42 AM

Who should be in charge of personnel.
To answer that, one would have to know and thoroughly understand the organizational process for personnel acquisition. Am I right?
Or is the assumption that this organization operates like a fantasy program and one person calls the shots...

MTK · 11-09-2012, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Somewhat. But I'm not taking anything away from Shanahan the head coach. I question his evaluation of talent. The NY Midgets have Jerry Reese scouting and drafting their players and Tom Coughlin coaching them. That's the same formula that was used during the glory years with Bobby Bethard and Joe Gibbs. Shanahan's evaluation of talent can also be questioned in his decision making as HC like releasing Terrance Austin and keeping Aldrick Robinson. Austin was simply the better and more reliable wide receiver.

Where is Austin now?

Not sure I'd use a move like that to point out talent evaluation issues.

skinsguy · 11-09-2012, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Somewhat. But I'm not taking anything away from Shanahan the head coach. I question his evaluation of talent. The NY Midgets have Jerry Reese scouting and drafting their players and Tom Coughlin coaching them. That's the same formula that was used during the glory years with Bobby Bethard and Joe Gibbs. Shanahan's evaluation of talent can also be questioned in his decision making as HC like releasing Terrance Austin and keeping Aldrick Robinson. Austin was simply the better and more reliable wide receiver.

Gibbs wasn't completely out of the equation in the scouting process back in those days, so give him a little credit there. You've mentioned Terrance Austin. What team is he starting for now? I suppose you're not going to give Shanahan any credit for Albert Morris? You would agree that Shanahan made the right decision in starting Fred Davis, finding guys like Pierre Garçon and Josh Morgan? I personally think Mike and Bruce have done a pretty good job in finding talent for the offense.

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REDSKINS4ever Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 4,051	Bruce Allen or Mike Shanahan Who should be in charge of personnel? Does Bruce Allen have little if any say in who the Redskins draft? Bruce Allen is the only GM to ever draft a kicker in the 1st round, but most of his draft picks, especially earlier in his career, has been excellent picks. In the case of Mike Shanahan, how often in the NFL does a HC wear the GM hat as well and is successful? And lastly, a question to Redskins nation. Who would you rather have picking the players, Allen or Shanahan?

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DynamiteRave Living Legend Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Washington DC Age: 38 Posts: 16,867	Re: Bruce Allen or Mike Shanahan Allen with input from Shanahan. __________________ Establishment, establishment, you always know what's best. I've been a part of this message board for 17 years. Damn I'm old.

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SFREDSKIN Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 15,164	Re: Bruce Allen or Mike Shanahan The kicker he drafted in the 1st was following Al Davis orders. __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

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CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,526	Re: Bruce Allen or Mike Shanahan Allen. But shanahan knows how to get RBs; so ill ask him for that field only. __________________ "Anyones better than Madieu Williams"

11-08-2012, 09:35 PM	#7
REDSKINS4ever Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 4,051	Re: Bruce Allen or Mike Shanahan Looking back at history, the GM made the picks and acquired the players in free agency and the head coach coached them. But Bruce is not picking the players. Shanahan is.

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mbedner3420 The Starter Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,900	Re: Bruce Allen or Mike Shanahan I feel like all of these recent threads are just restated themes from the fire Shanny thread...

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Dogtag Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Dumfries, VA Age: 71 Posts: 241	Re: Bruce Allen or Mike Shanahan Who should be in charge of personnel. To answer that, one would have to know and thoroughly understand the organizational process for personnel acquisition. Am I right? Or is the assumption that this organization operates like a fantasy program and one person calls the shots...

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