Replace underperformers?

[skinster]

I was looking at our cap, and I feel we have a few highly paid players on our team that could easily be replaced by younger talent. Chris Cooley and Deangelo Hall come to mind. We would save 6.2 mil by cutting Hall and 2.0 mil by cutting Cooley. There seem to be a bunch of number two quality corners out there on the market. Neither Terrell Thomas nor Tracy Porter should command a large contract, and both of them seem like they are the odd men out on their respective teams. (Brandon Carr, Brent Grimes, and Cortland Finnegan are all looking to get paiddddddd, so I'd like to steer clear of those guys). I say we cut Hall and Cooley and sign both these guys. I feel like depth at CB is very important in todays NFL, and both these guys can play.

Side note: Do you guys think we could trade Hall or Cooley for anything? I personally doubt it.

Second side note: I'd also like to cut atogwe (yea he's good but he's old, and gets hurt alot) which would save 3.6 mil and sign Reggie Nelson. Yes I am fully aware there is a zero percent chance this will happen.

Third side note: We all love fletcher, but we have to replace him sometime, and I believe an opportunity like Stephen Tulloch, whose beastly play and 5'11 240 frame reminds me of fletcher, does not come around every year. The dude had 3 sacks, 2 picks and 111 tackles last year playing at MLB. The year before he had 160 tackles!

Fourth side note: I don't really see a way we can keep Landry. I love him, but he's always hurt. I think He's gonna pull a Los and do a one year contract somewhere else.

Fifth side note: I think we gotta re-sign Carriker. Depth at D-line is vastly underrated IMO.

Wow this turned out to be more of a blog than my original thread idea.

[mooby]

If there's a better option than Hall out there at a better price, I say go for it. I don't understand why fans want to get rid of Cooley though. It's like they think having two decent tight ends is a bad thing. Sure he's been hurt lately, but even Cooley himself said he could've come back from his injury last season if they hadn't put him on IR. I think they'll ask Cooley to take a pay cut, but I see no reason as to why we shouldn't keep him as good depth. Do fans forget FD is one strike away from losing a whole season?

As far as your third side note goes, I don't see why we shouldn't keep Fletch for another couple seasons. He's always healthy, he's the only truly consistent player on defense, his age is just a number imo, and if we let him go that's just another hole we have to fill. Would I be opposed to finding his long term replacement in the draft? No, but this isn't a major priority to me. Signing Fletch for another couple seasons is.

Fourth side note: Recent photos suggest Landry has gone insane, so w/e happens with him I'm not going to sweat it. Although if we do let him go that's yet another hole we have to fill.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by mooby

If there's a better option than Hall out there at a better price, I say go for it. I don't understand why fans want to get rid of Cooley though. It's like they think having two decent tight ends is a bad thing. Sure he's been hurt lately, but even Cooley himself said he could've come back from his injury last season if they hadn't put him on IR. I think they'll ask Cooley to take a pay cut, but I see no reason as to why we shouldn't keep him as good depth. Do fans forget FD is one strike away from losing a whole season?

As far as your third side note goes, I don't see why we shouldn't keep Fletch for another couple seasons. He's always healthy, he's the only truly consistent player on defense, his age is just a number imo, and if we let him go that's just another hole we have to fill. Would I be opposed to finding his long term replacement in the draft? No, but this isn't a major priority to me. Signing Fletch for another couple seasons is.

Fourth side note: Recent photos suggest Landry has gone insane, so w/e happens with him I'm not going to sweat it. Although if we do let him go that's yet another hole we have to fill.

Cooley isn't the player he used to be. I haven't seen him preform in a long time. Also he has been hurt alot recently. He's getting up there in years, and he has a huge cap number. We're not going to be able to keep him and Davis. I say at the very least try to trade him to get some value before he leaves, but I doubt we could get anything for him....which goes to show how little value he has.

I think fletch will be consistent next year, I'm not saying he won't be next year (but the year after that I'll have my worries). I just look at all our needs and the availability to fill those needs. It seems MLB of the future is something that we can address right now, so I think it would be unwise to waste this opportunity. If we just want a guy to fill in and play another year, yeah fletcher will be fine. But I'm always looking to the future (and I think tulloch would probably be an upgrade...but that's not all that important as opposed to longevity IMO)

[MTK]

We have the cap room to keep these guys no problem. If CC is healthy I don't see a reason to let him go.

[Hog1]

Cooley is a solid weapon......I have no desire for him to become a Patriot or can we afford to kick performers to the curb......

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Cooley is a solid weapon......I have no desire for him to become a Patriot or can we afford to kick performers to the curb......

Doubt Cooley would go anywhere that he'd be the number 3 lol

[Son Of Man]

Cooley= nice safety valve for our rookie QB im 2012.

Plus, as a fan, I would love to see him retire as a Redskin.

[CRedskinsRule]

Thread Topic is a fail. The discussion might have merit, but the title is just awful, honestly, is someone going to come in and say Keep Underperformers?

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

I don't see why we would get rid of Cooley now, because as of right now he and paulsen are our only two TEs under contract. We gotta get a deal in place with FD before we can even have this discussion.

Tulloch would be a nice pick up at MLB, but he is a 4-3 ILB and is looking for 7-8 mil a year.

I think in FA we have really good first and second tier talent at OL, WR, and CB. All positions of need for us and I could see us definitely adding a few pieces there. Will be interesting to see how FA plays out.

[GridIron26]

Skinster, who would you want to be #2 behind Davis if we traded Cooley away? Paulsen is decent TE, but not someone that would scare any team. What if Davis smoked and get caught again then suspended. Then Paulsen would become 1st stringer? We do not have plenty of picks where we can draft a TE and expect him to be good enough to be #1 if Davis got injured or suspended. I do not get it, what is frigging wrong with the idea of two TE set??

Hall, on other hand, I do not mind cutting him. I would prefer to ask him to take pay cut first, but if he refuses then if we can find a free agent that is good enough to replace Hall then I won't have any problem with it.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

Skinster, who would you want to be #2 behind Davis if we traded Cooley away? Paulsen is decent TE, but not someone that would scare any team. What if Davis smoked and get caught again then suspended. Then Paulsen would become 1st stringer? We do not have plenty of picks where we can draft a TE and expect him to be good enough to be #1 if Davis got injured or suspended. I do not get it, what is frigging wrong with the idea of two TE set??

Hall, on other hand, I do not mind cutting him. I would prefer to ask him to take pay cut first, but if he refuses then if we can find a free agent that is good enough to replace Hall then I won't have any problem with it.

Cooley is a fan favorite, but get over it, he is done. 8 catches in 5 games last year? pathetic. Also he hasn't scored more than 3 tds in the last 5 years. I don't see him adding much value, but I do see him eating up alot of cap room. Lets get rid of his contract when it'll cost us less and give us an opportunity to sign someone else (2 mil might very well be the difference in our ability to get a deal done).

Plus, backup pass catching TEs grow on trees in the mid rounds. It really shouldn't be that hard to come up with a second one...hell even one TE isn't even necessary, ask eli manning.

Even if Cooley were any good, it wouldn't make much sense to keep him and Davis. This years patriots are the only TE combo in the history of football that's been any good. Don't expect that we can repeat that. The next best combo I can think of this year is Shockey and Olsen...and combined they didn't even crack 1000 yds, and only had a combined 83 catches. Jimmy Grahm single handedly annihilated those numbers.

However I will say this for cooley. I get the impression that he is the type of guy that sets a good example in the locker room. If he wasn't a leader on the team, I'd say for sure he would be gone.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

We have the cap room to keep these guys no problem. If CC is healthy I don't see a reason to let him go.

We have the cap room to keep him yes, but I would prefer to take his seemingly eventual dead cap sooner than later. Also it frees up even more room to make other options available.

And if somehow we can trade him, we would even get a draft pick out of it. 3 wins in my book. His play doesn't impress me, but his lost leadership will be missed. I think its worth it.

[MTK]

Doubt his trade value is much of anything at this point, CC is more valuable in a Redskins uniform.

[Gmanc711]

It would be one thing if we really needed the cap room, or could find actual upgrades from these guys in free agency... but I'm thinking we just stick with what we have for now. As much as I dont like him, I still think Hall is the biggest play maker on the defense. Cooley is clearly the #2 tight end now, but I want him in a Redskins uniform.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinster

Cooley is a fan favorite, but get over it, he is done. 8 catches in 5 games last year? pathetic. Also he hasn't scored more than 3 tds in the last 5 years. I don't see him adding much value, but I do see him eating up alot of cap room. Lets get rid of his contract when it'll cost us less and give us an opportunity to sign someone else (2 mil might very well be the difference in our ability to get a deal done).

Plus, backup pass catching TEs grow on trees in the mid rounds. It really shouldn't be that hard to come up with a second one...hell even one TE isn't even necessary, ask eli manning.

Even if Cooley were any good, it wouldn't make much sense to keep him and Davis. This years patriots are the only TE combo in the history of football that's been any good. Don't expect that we can repeat that. The next best combo I can think of this year is Shockey and Olsen...and combined they didn't even crack 1000 yds, and only had a combined 83 catches. Jimmy Grahm single handedly annihilated those numbers.

However I will say this for cooley. I get the impression that he is the type of guy that sets a good example in the locker room. If he wasn't a leader on the team, I'd say for sure he would be gone.

If you recall he was never healthy even in camp, and probably had no business playing really. The year before he had 77 catches, he's only 29, too early to toss him to the trash heap.

If he's back to his old self, don't be surprised if he's starting over Davis.

His contract is not a burden to the cap this year, and they could always re-work it to reduce his number.