Short Yardage Back!!!??? ALSTOTT to Skins???

Luxorreb · 12-29-2004, 07:02 AM

I feel we really need a short yardage back.
Anyone think Alstott will end up in DC next season?
Would a trade for Rod Gardner or McCants be worth Alstott?

MTK · 12-29-2004, 08:25 AM

I'd pass. He's had quite a few injury problems and he's prone to fumbling. Maybe 5 years ago I'd be in favor of acquiring him, but not now.

cpayne5 · 12-29-2004, 08:30 AM

He's way over rated at this point in his career. Maybe even so at his peak.

MTK · 12-29-2004, 08:36 AM

He was probably always a bit overrated, but he always had those SportsCenter runs where he'd bowl over a few people.

FRPLG · 12-29-2004, 08:45 AM

Alstott is in my opinion, and others too actually, one of the most over rated playersof the last decade and even ever. He was a good blocking fullback at one point with below average hands and brought very little in the way of running ability. He was built up by one John Madden over the course of a couple seasons because this is when TB started playing well so Madden at the time was doing plenty of Bucs games. The system he played in called on him numerous times a game to get 1 or 2 yards and he was always able to. Realistically though there were 10-12 other guys with as much talent and less exposure even at the ehight of hsi career. Now he is injury riddled, below average blcoker, way below average runner and basically brings little value to whatever etam he is on next year.

SKINSnCANES · 12-29-2004, 10:04 AM

Give alstott his credit. Hes a good blocking back and knowns how to punch it in. Hes not worht much now, after that neck injury last year and his age, but in his prime all he did was score and convert first downs. In my opinion thats the definition of a short yardage back.

MTK · 12-29-2004, 10:16 AM

I think we should just continue to use Betts and if anything expand his role a bit more. I'm really surprised we haven't used him at the goal line at all this year.

He should get a few short yardage chances against the Vikes.

SKINSnCANES · 12-29-2004, 10:21 AM

well he'll get all the looks against the vikes.

I wonder if Rock will get any playing time as a backup this week. Who is our official third string back?

The Vikings have no defense, we better have some offense next week.

firstdown · 12-29-2004, 12:39 PM

WE have had no sucesses this year in the short yardage game. I do not understand why we have not tryed Rock in the short game. If I remember correctly he was pretty effective last year.

offiss · 12-29-2004, 12:42 PM

Allstott if washed up he only goes backwards these day's.

hurrykaine · 12-29-2004, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think we should just continue to use Betts and if anything expand his role a bit more. I'm really surprised we haven't used him at the goal line at all this year.

He should get a few short yardage chances against the Vikes.

I agree - given that we're definitely going to improve the O-line next year, Betts would be sufficient for short yardage situations. No need to waste a pick on Alstot -a guy that's way past his prime (1999-2000 were his best years).

Beefing up the O-line, better offensive playcalling and better QB play are our key areas for improvement.

JWsleep · 12-29-2004, 01:28 PM

I agree that this is a glaring need, but Alstott isn't the answer. THis is a place where an undrafted rookie/cheap FA ought to be available. ALstott is injury prone and old.

This, to my mind, is the real problem with Gibbs offense (not that the passing game isn't too conservative, but still...). We have not been able to pick up 3rd and shorts all year. It shows that our O-line isn't controlling the line of scrimmage. Everything in Gibbs offense works off of that, including the at-persent nonexistent long passing game. If we can't dominate the line of scrimmage with our O-line, nothing will work.

It's not a conicidence that the games we looked ok in were games that we ran the ball with authority. GIbbs had the most famous O-line ever in the Hogs, and he won 3 superbowls with them. That's what we're missing. Everything depends on it.

SmootSmack · 12-29-2004, 01:33 PM

If I remember right someone here suggested, several weeks ago, that we consider Brad Hoover. That might not be a bad idea

Paintrain · 12-29-2004, 01:46 PM

Personally I think the guy is a dope and should be cut for his boneheaded plays, but why isn't Mike Sellers a short yardage back? The guy is huge and has some speed, shouldn't he be able to hit a hole and lean for a yard or 2?

SmootSmack · 12-29-2004, 02:01 PM

What about this guy we signed to our practice squad earlier this season

12-29-2004, 07:02 AM	#1
Luxorreb ^21^ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, Virginia Age: 52 Posts: 1,630	Short Yardage Back!!!??? ALSTOTT to Skins??? I feel we really need a short yardage back. Anyone think Alstott will end up in DC next season? Would a trade for Rod Gardner or McCants be worth Alstott? __________________ ^21^

12-29-2004, 08:30 AM	#3
cpayne5 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,807	He's way over rated at this point in his career. Maybe even so at his peak. __________________ "It's not about what you've done, but what's been done for you."

12-29-2004, 10:04 AM	#6
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	Give alstott his credit. Hes a good blocking back and knowns how to punch it in. Hes not worht much now, after that neck injury last year and his age, but in his prime all he did was score and convert first downs. In my opinion thats the definition of a short yardage back. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

12-29-2004, 10:21 AM	#8
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	well he'll get all the looks against the vikes. I wonder if Rock will get any playing time as a backup this week. Who is our official third string back? The Vikings have no defense, we better have some offense next week. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

12-29-2004, 01:28 PM	#12
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 56 Posts: 4,719	I agree that this is a glaring need, but Alstott isn't the answer. THis is a place where an undrafted rookie/cheap FA ought to be available. ALstott is injury prone and old. This, to my mind, is the real problem with Gibbs offense (not that the passing game isn't too conservative, but still...). We have not been able to pick up 3rd and shorts all year. It shows that our O-line isn't controlling the line of scrimmage. Everything in Gibbs offense works off of that, including the at-persent nonexistent long passing game. If we can't dominate the line of scrimmage with our O-line, nothing will work. It's not a conicidence that the games we looked ok in were games that we ran the ball with authority. GIbbs had the most famous O-line ever in the Hogs, and he won 3 superbowls with them. That's what we're missing. Everything depends on it. __________________ Hail from Houston!

12-29-2004, 08:25 AM	#2
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,741	I'd pass. He's had quite a few injury problems and he's prone to fumbling. Maybe 5 years ago I'd be in favor of acquiring him, but not now.

12-29-2004, 08:36 AM	#4
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,741	He was probably always a bit overrated, but he always had those SportsCenter runs where he'd bowl over a few people.

12-29-2004, 08:45 AM	#5
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Alstott is in my opinion, and others too actually, one of the most over rated playersof the last decade and even ever. He was a good blocking fullback at one point with below average hands and brought very little in the way of running ability. He was built up by one John Madden over the course of a couple seasons because this is when TB started playing well so Madden at the time was doing plenty of Bucs games. The system he played in called on him numerous times a game to get 1 or 2 yards and he was always able to. Realistically though there were 10-12 other guys with as much talent and less exposure even at the ehight of hsi career. Now he is injury riddled, below average blcoker, way below average runner and basically brings little value to whatever etam he is on next year.

12-29-2004, 10:16 AM	#7
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,741	I think we should just continue to use Betts and if anything expand his role a bit more. I'm really surprised we haven't used him at the goal line at all this year. He should get a few short yardage chances against the Vikes.

12-29-2004, 12:39 PM	#9
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 60 Posts: 15,817	WE have had no sucesses this year in the short yardage game. I do not understand why we have not tryed Rock in the short game. If I remember correctly he was pretty effective last year.

12-29-2004, 12:42 PM	#10
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 60 Posts: 3,097	Allstott if washed up he only goes backwards these day's.

12-29-2004, 01:33 PM	#13
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	If I remember right someone here suggested, several weeks ago, that we consider Brad Hoover. That might not be a bad idea __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

12-29-2004, 01:46 PM	#14
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	Personally I think the guy is a dope and should be cut for his boneheaded plays, but why isn't Mike Sellers a short yardage back? The guy is huge and has some speed, shouldn't he be able to hit a hole and lean for a yard or 2?

12-29-2004, 02:01 PM	#15
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	What about this guy we signed to our practice squad earlier this season __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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