Ty Law wants out of NE

Cush · 03-13-2004, 06:21 PM

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The "bridge is burned." All-Pro cornerback Ty Law does not want to play another game for the Patriots.

Citing "irreconcilable differences," Law said he has told Patriots coach Bill Belichick and vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli his desire to play somewhere else after being "lied to" about their intentions, according to the Boston Globe.

"Right now, it's not about money," Law told the Globe this week. "That bridge is burned. I no longer want to be a Patriot. I can't even see myself putting on that uniform again, that's how bad I feel about playing here."

saden1 · 03-13-2004, 06:46 PM

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That is probably how Champ felt but he never said it publicly! One thing you don't do is short change your best employees. When people don't feel appreciated and are given the runaround about their status/future you are bound to have situations like this. I just wish we hadn't spend that money on Springs.

I say more power to you Ty!

offiss · 03-13-2004, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

That is probably how Champ felt but he never said it publicly! One thing you don't do is short change your best employees. When people don't feel appreciated and are given the runaround about their status/future you are bound to have situations like this. I just wish we hadn't spend that money on Springs.

I say more power to you Ty!

If the guy is under contract he should shut his mouth and honor it, I would like to know how much money law would give back if he was getting burned all year? As for champ he was offered 2 very lucrative contract's we didn't short change him, he wanted to go so good luck and don't let the door hit ya in the A** champ.

saden1 · 03-13-2004, 08:03 PM

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If the guy is under contract he should shut his mouth and honor it, I would like to know how much money law would give back if he was getting burned all year? As for champ he was offered 2 very lucrative contract's we didn't short change him, he wanted to go so good luck and don't let the door hit ya in the A** champ.

Screw that...even if you are under contract teams can release you at any given time. Honor nothing...get yours I say. It is all about being happy and he is clearly not happy.

I suppose marriage is kind of a contract but if you get to a certain point in a relationship where you both can't stand eachoter you think it is wise to stay together to honor that contract? I'm not advocating divorce here but people should have the option of getting divorced.

EEich · 03-13-2004, 08:22 PM

I agree... teams are screwing players all the time by telling them to renegotiate or they're gone. Players should have the same right... "renegotiate or I'll sit"... but then again they have to put up or shut up.

Like Boomer says... the NFL is the league where they play... for pay.

JWsleep · 03-13-2004, 08:29 PM

This is a continuation of the old-time struggle between players and owners. In the bad old days in baseball, the owners had all the power. Now the pendulum has swung back towards the players. It's a big, big business, and there is no loyalty. Money talks, or the players walk. Why should Ty Law be loyal to Bob Kraft?

(I'm NOT saying I like this, but I'm not sure of a better way to do it than the free market. Owner monopoly wasn't great either, and wasn't legal, apparently.)

manicd · 03-13-2004, 09:53 PM

Oh, this is the best part though.

"It's not a reason to hold out. I get $1 million just to show up. Who wouldn't show up for $1 million? The money ain't the thing, because I have that. Then again, I'm not going to sit here and say I don't want $7 million, either. That's stupid. Hell, we all gotta eat."

Yeah, I need 7 million to put food on the table.

sportscurmudgeon · 03-13-2004, 10:34 PM

There is really a fundamental difference between the Champ Bailey situation here in Washington and the Ty Law situation in Boston. Champ's contract was up; he had to get a new contract in order to be eligible to play for anyone in the league - including the Redskins even if they hung a franchise tag on him. Ty Law has a contract with two more years on it. While both players are excellent cornerbacks and both want to do some negoitating this off-season, the differences in the two situations are greater than the similarities.

However, there is a lesson here for fans to see. Ty Law signed a classic NFL contract with layered signing/roster bonuses and a large backloading so that the first few years were "cap friendly". His is not the only contract like that; virtually every huge contract for a top flight player in the NFL is the same kind of thing. And now, he is in a situation where he stands to make a lot of money on his contract (but it will be a cap burden for the team) or to make a lot of money renogiating his contract with his team to make it more cap friendly or to make a lot of money negotiating a new deal with some other team.

We'll see how this one plays out in New England. But, do not be surprised when this happens to some of the Redskins' players such as:

Chris Samuels
LaVar Arrington
Clinton Portis
Fred Smoot (after he signs his second contract here)
Lavernaeus Coles
John Jansen (maybe?)

Ghost · 03-13-2004, 11:02 PM

It's happening right now with Samuels ... he's eating up something like 10% of the team's cap space, so far refusing to renegotiate. LaVar's bump is a number of years down the road, same with Portis. We'll renegoiate some of these contracts and pay out the difference in signing bonuses, while letting other players go (like Steven Davis), making trades if possible -- like Champ, who''ll use up so much of Denver's cap space that they convinced the Skins to throw in a second rounder ... I believe the deal we gave Portis is a lot more cap-friendly. That's life in the NFL these days. I hope Gibbs is getting acclimated.

johnnyredskin63 · 03-14-2004, 10:54 AM

it is hard for me to sit here and be sorry for anybody no matter who he/she is that makes the kind of money most of these guys make.the man has more money than he'll ever need in 3 lifetimes for god's sake.i would love to be in his position as would i'm sure any other blue collar type of man would.he needs to wake up and smell what he is standing in. :smashfrea

azskinsfan2 · 03-14-2004, 12:29 PM

I doubt anyone forced him to sign that contract last year. If he doesn't like it now why'd he sign it then. You put your name on the dotted line you live up to it!!!

Daseal · 03-14-2004, 08:38 PM

He already said he's not going to hold out, and I think he has more agaisnt the orginization than just the money. There's not a damn thing wrong with saying you want out. If he's unhappy, why should he just keep it inside. Tell NE he's unhappy and maybe they'll trade him while they still can.

offiss · 03-14-2004, 08:44 PM

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I doubt anyone forced him to sign that contract last year. If he doesn't like it now why'd he sign it then. You put your name on the dotted line you live up to it!!!

HERE! HERE! azskins, well said!

Ghost · 03-14-2004, 08:59 PM

Seriously. This is a business and these guys should honor their contracts and quit whining like a bunch of prima donnas. I can't muster much sympathy for these millionaires.

Daseal · 03-14-2004, 09:54 PM

Guys, he is honoring his contract. He offered to buy it out because he left, the only thing he isn't doing is taking a paycut, and who can blame him? He didn't say "I'm not showing up to training camp" he said he'd play, but he also said he was unhappy there. Why is this such a big deal, he's being an adult about it, and NE is much more likely to trade him if everyone knows he want's out.

You think contracts mean shit? He's not going to restructure, and you think contracts are always acted upon? Not in this league guys. Players are cut the second they make too much money, they have their contracts voided by the owners. The owners don't give the players any sort of special contract agreement, why should the players always live their contracts out?

Which is he doing, he just doesn't want to restructure for a lot less than what he's worth. I'd take his same posiiton right now unless I really had close ties in that orginization. He single-handedly beat the colts. He beat up Harrison and stole the ball a bunch, and he gets rewarded by a paycut.

03-13-2004, 08:22 PM	#5
EEich The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bristol, CT Age: 60 Posts: 1,001	I agree... teams are screwing players all the time by telling them to renegotiate or they're gone. Players should have the same right... "renegotiate or I'll sit"... but then again they have to put up or shut up. Like Boomer says... the NFL is the league where they play... for pay. Last edited by EEich; 03-13-2004 at 08:56 PM.

03-13-2004, 08:29 PM	#6
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,714	This is a continuation of the old-time struggle between players and owners. In the bad old days in baseball, the owners had all the power. Now the pendulum has swung back towards the players. It's a big, big business, and there is no loyalty. Money talks, or the players walk. Why should Ty Law be loyal to Bob Kraft? (I'm NOT saying I like this, but I'm not sure of a better way to do it than the free market. Owner monopoly wasn't great either, and wasn't legal, apparently.) __________________ Hail from Houston!

03-13-2004, 10:34 PM	#8
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	There is really a fundamental difference between the Champ Bailey situation here in Washington and the Ty Law situation in Boston. Champ's contract was up; he had to get a new contract in order to be eligible to play for anyone in the league - including the Redskins even if they hung a franchise tag on him. Ty Law has a contract with two more years on it. While both players are excellent cornerbacks and both want to do some negoitating this off-season, the differences in the two situations are greater than the similarities. However, there is a lesson here for fans to see. Ty Law signed a classic NFL contract with layered signing/roster bonuses and a large backloading so that the first few years were "cap friendly". His is not the only contract like that; virtually every huge contract for a top flight player in the NFL is the same kind of thing. And now, he is in a situation where he stands to make a lot of money on his contract (but it will be a cap burden for the team) or to make a lot of money renogiating his contract with his team to make it more cap friendly or to make a lot of money negotiating a new deal with some other team. We'll see how this one plays out in New England. But, do not be surprised when this happens to some of the Redskins' players such as: Chris Samuels LaVar Arrington Clinton Portis Fred Smoot (after he signs his second contract here) Lavernaeus Coles John Jansen (maybe?) __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

03-14-2004, 10:54 AM	#10
johnnyredskin63 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 203	it is hard for me to sit here and be sorry for anybody no matter who he/she is that makes the kind of money most of these guys make.the man has more money than he'll ever need in 3 lifetimes for god's sake.i would love to be in his position as would i'm sure any other blue collar type of man would.he needs to wake up and smell what he is standing in. :smashfrea __________________ it's me,bigredskinfan63 bigledzepfan63 "the sea was red and the sky was grey,wondered how tommorow could ever follow today HAIL TO THE REDSKINS always remember ladies and germs-THE COWBOYS SUCK

03-14-2004, 12:29 PM	#11
azskinsfan2 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tucson, Arizona Age: 67 Posts: 232	I doubt anyone forced him to sign that contract last year. If he doesn't like it now why'd he sign it then. You put your name on the dotted line you live up to it!!! __________________ Long live Sonny J!!! Rock on Redskins!!!!!!

03-13-2004, 09:53 PM	#7
manicd Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 155	Oh, this is the best part though. "It's not a reason to hold out. I get $1 million just to show up. Who wouldn't show up for $1 million? The money ain't the thing, because I have that. Then again, I'm not going to sit here and say I don't want $7 million, either. That's stupid. Hell, we all gotta eat." Yeah, I need 7 million to put food on the table.

03-13-2004, 11:02 PM	#9
Ghost Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 298	It's happening right now with Samuels ... he's eating up something like 10% of the team's cap space, so far refusing to renegotiate. LaVar's bump is a number of years down the road, same with Portis. We'll renegoiate some of these contracts and pay out the difference in signing bonuses, while letting other players go (like Steven Davis), making trades if possible -- like Champ, who''ll use up so much of Denver's cap space that they convinced the Skins to throw in a second rounder ... I believe the deal we gave Portis is a lot more cap-friendly. That's life in the NFL these days. I hope Gibbs is getting acclimated.

03-14-2004, 08:38 PM	#12
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	He already said he's not going to hold out, and I think he has more agaisnt the orginization than just the money. There's not a damn thing wrong with saying you want out. If he's unhappy, why should he just keep it inside. Tell NE he's unhappy and maybe they'll trade him while they still can.

03-14-2004, 08:59 PM	#14
Ghost Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 298	Seriously. This is a business and these guys should honor their contracts and quit whining like a bunch of prima donnas. I can't muster much sympathy for these millionaires.

03-14-2004, 09:54 PM	#15
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Guys, he is honoring his contract. He offered to buy it out because he left, the only thing he isn't doing is taking a paycut, and who can blame him? He didn't say "I'm not showing up to training camp" he said he'd play, but he also said he was unhappy there. Why is this such a big deal, he's being an adult about it, and NE is much more likely to trade him if everyone knows he want's out. You think contracts mean shit? He's not going to restructure, and you think contracts are always acted upon? Not in this league guys. Players are cut the second they make too much money, they have their contracts voided by the owners. The owners don't give the players any sort of special contract agreement, why should the players always live their contracts out? Which is he doing, he just doesn't want to restructure for a lot less than what he's worth. I'd take his same posiiton right now unless I really had close ties in that orginization. He single-handedly beat the colts. He beat up Harrison and stole the ball a bunch, and he gets rewarded by a paycut.

Ty Law wants out of NE

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