Talking Heisman

d151b · 12-08-2004, 01:33 PM

Who do you think should win the Heisman this year? Should Jason White get the trophy for a second year in a row? Will Leinhart win even after a poor showing against UCLA? Will it be the first year a freshman wins the coveted award? Does anyone besides these three and Reggie Bush stand a friggin chance in hell? Discuss amonst yourselves...

My vote goes to Peterson.

Gmanc711 · 12-08-2004, 01:51 PM

Peterson should get the trophy, Leinhart will win the trophy.

jdlea · 12-08-2004, 02:22 PM

It should be Peterson, but I think Leinhart will end up with it. I am personally rooting for Reggie Bush or Adrian Peterson though. I will be pissed if wack ass Jason White wins it again, he didn't deserve the first one.

MTK · 12-08-2004, 02:57 PM

Leinhart should take it.

Big C · 12-08-2004, 03:05 PM

reggie bush is a beast also

Redskins_P · 12-08-2004, 03:27 PM

I personally think Reggie Bush should win it, but I think Leinart will take it.

Reggie Bush is such a threat, no matter where he's playing on the field. He's a monster.

FRPLG · 12-08-2004, 04:04 PM

Leinart will win and that sucks but not as bad as White winning last year. If White wins this year again they should retire the award. This just struck me...college football is screwed up. The only sport that votes(!?!?) on who the champion is and their biggest award has been won by some of the most whack players ever. It'd be like letting the Chargers play the Giants 16 times and then giving the Heisman to Brees for throwing for 5000 yards even though it was against the Giants. A nice little playoff would fix a lot of what is ailing College football. Lets see what White can do when he plays a real defense mroe than once or twice a year. There's a reason he won't even get drafted.

VTSkins897 · 12-08-2004, 04:08 PM

peterson

d151b · 12-08-2004, 06:43 PM

i see there's some major jason white haters up in here.... that's funny you bash the qb who had the best stats of any heisman winning qb in college football history. 40 td's 10 int's qb rating of 168, but he didn't deserve it... do you think fitzgerald should have won the award? seeing as how pittsburgh plays nfl caliber competition like ball state, toledo, rutgers, kent state.... etc. yep, your argument holds water.

skinsfanthru&thru · 12-09-2004, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by d151b

i see there's some major jason white haters up in here.... that's funny you bash the qb who had the best stats of any heisman winning qb in college football history. 40 td's 10 int's qb rating of 168, but he didn't deserve it... do you think fitzgerald should have won the award? seeing as how pittsburgh plays nfl caliber competition like ball state, toledo, rutgers, kent state.... etc. yep, your argument holds water.

I agree. Most people r down on white cuz last year all the votes were in before he finished for sh#$ in OU's last 2 games but anybody saying he wouldn't deserve to be up for it this year is on something. I personally hope Peterson wins it not only cuz he;s an awesome rb but because I want to see a deserving freshman finally not be snubbed cuz he's a freshman. But I think Leinart wins cuz Peterson and White will split votes. It's kind of funny how a month or so into the season everyone was ready to hand the award to orton of pitt and then

went his hopes. Also how about Alex Smith I believe it is out of Utah?

d151b · 12-09-2004, 12:22 PM

Smith is a good qb, but i don't think he gets enough pub... BUT, he did get selected as a finalist, over Ced Benson. This ought to be one of the best National Championships in a long time... I think OU's pissed about what happened to them last year and 4 of the top 5 Heisman hopefuls squaring off in one game... I'm getting goose bumps!

jdlea · 12-09-2004, 02:03 PM

It had recently been working out that the QB who plays the best in games that don't matter wins the Heisman. I look for someone who can step up their game when the pressure is on. Tell me just how Jason White did that last year. Was it the loss to LSU or the 4 picks he threw in the Conference title game? Enlighten me.

jdlea · 12-09-2004, 02:16 PM

I don't even know why I argue who should get the Heisman. The list of winners over the last 20 years reads like a laundry list of bad NFL players:

1984 Doug Flutie Boston College QB
1985 Bo Jackson Auburn RB
1986 Vinny Testaverde Miami (Fla) QB
1987 Tim Brown Notre Dame WR
1988 Barry Sanders Oklahoma State RB
1989 Andre Ware Houston QB
1990 Ty Detmer Brigham Young QB
1991 Desmond Howard Michigan WR
1992 Gino Torretta Miami (Fla) QB
1993 Charlie Ward Florida State QB
1994 Rashaan Salaam Colorado RB
1995 Eddie George Ohio State RB
1996 Danny Wuerffel Florida QB
1997 Charles Woodson Michigan CB
1998 Ricky Williams Texas RB
1999 Ron Dayne Wisconsin RB
2000 Chris Weinke Florida State QB
2001 Eric Crouch Nebraska QB
2002 Carson Palmer USC QB
2003 Jason White Oklahoma QB

The good ones? Bo Jackson, Tim Brown, Barry Sanders, Eddie George, maybe Woodson and it depends on your opinion of Testaverde.

The rest of them weren't that good. Time will tell about Palmer, but just yesterday PTI and Around the Horn were both debating about whether Jason White would even make an NFL roster. So, as good a college quarterback as he may be; he'll be an elite class with the likes of Danny Wuerffel, Eric Crouch, Chris Weinke, Charlie Ward, Gino Torretta, Ty Detmer and Andre Ware.

Come to think of it, I hope he does win the Heisman, I don't want it to jinx any of the college players who actually have a future in football.

That Guy · 12-09-2004, 04:25 PM

1. peterson
2. bush
3. one of them qbs (dont care which, its a distant 3rd)

d151b · 12-09-2004, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdlea

The list of winners over the last 20 years reads like a laundry list of bad NFL players:

1984 Doug Flutie Boston College QB
1985 Bo Jackson Auburn RB
1986 Vinny Testaverde Miami (Fla) QB
1987 Tim Brown Notre Dame WR
1988 Barry Sanders Oklahoma State RB
1989 Andre Ware Houston QB
1990 Ty Detmer Brigham Young QB
1991 Desmond Howard Michigan WR
1992 Gino Torretta Miami (Fla) QB
1993 Charlie Ward Florida State QB
1994 Rashaan Salaam Colorado RB
1995 Eddie George Ohio State RB
1996 Danny Wuerffel Florida QB
1997 Charles Woodson Michigan CB
1998 Ricky Williams Texas RB
1999 Ron Dayne Wisconsin RB
2000 Chris Weinke Florida State QB
2001 Eric Crouch Nebraska QB
2002 Carson Palmer USC QB
2003 Jason White Oklahoma QB

Come to think of it, I hope he does win the Heisman, I don't want it to jinx any of the college players who actually have a future in football.

you need to go back a little further as well, (tony dorsett, hershcel walker, jim plunkett, earl campbell, marcus allen..... these guys were all a huge wash in the nfl) the ones that usually don't pan out are the qb's. it's THE most difficult position to scout for the nfl. the majority of the top notch nfl qb's were late rounders. montana, brady.... where guys like ryan leaf and heath shuler turned out to be perverbial nfl turds!

12-08-2004, 01:33 PM	#1
d151b Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 157	Talking Heisman Who do you think should win the Heisman this year? Should Jason White get the trophy for a second year in a row? Will Leinhart win even after a poor showing against UCLA? Will it be the first year a freshman wins the coveted award? Does anyone besides these three and Reggie Bush stand a friggin chance in hell? Discuss amonst yourselves... My vote goes to Peterson.

12-08-2004, 01:51 PM	#2
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	Peterson should get the trophy, Leinhart will win the trophy. __________________ #21

12-08-2004, 03:05 PM	#5
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	reggie bush is a beast also __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

12-08-2004, 02:22 PM	#3
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	It should be Peterson, but I think Leinhart will end up with it. I am personally rooting for Reggie Bush or Adrian Peterson though. I will be pissed if wack ass Jason White wins it again, he didn't deserve the first one.

12-08-2004, 02:57 PM	#4
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Leinhart should take it.

12-08-2004, 03:27 PM	#6
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 46 Posts: 4,101	I personally think Reggie Bush should win it, but I think Leinart will take it. Reggie Bush is such a threat, no matter where he's playing on the field. He's a monster.

12-08-2004, 04:04 PM	#7
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Leinart will win and that sucks but not as bad as White winning last year. If White wins this year again they should retire the award. This just struck me...college football is screwed up. The only sport that votes(!?!?) on who the champion is and their biggest award has been won by some of the most whack players ever. It'd be like letting the Chargers play the Giants 16 times and then giving the Heisman to Brees for throwing for 5000 yards even though it was against the Giants. A nice little playoff would fix a lot of what is ailing College football. Lets see what White can do when he plays a real defense mroe than once or twice a year. There's a reason he won't even get drafted.

12-08-2004, 04:08 PM	#8
VTSkins897 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 41 Posts: 890	peterson

12-08-2004, 06:43 PM	#9
d151b Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 157	i see there's some major jason white haters up in here.... that's funny you bash the qb who had the best stats of any heisman winning qb in college football history. 40 td's 10 int's qb rating of 168, but he didn't deserve it... do you think fitzgerald should have won the award? seeing as how pittsburgh plays nfl caliber competition like ball state, toledo, rutgers, kent state.... etc. yep, your argument holds water.

12-09-2004, 12:22 PM	#11
d151b Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 157	Smith is a good qb, but i don't think he gets enough pub... BUT, he did get selected as a finalist, over Ced Benson. This ought to be one of the best National Championships in a long time... I think OU's pissed about what happened to them last year and 4 of the top 5 Heisman hopefuls squaring off in one game... I'm getting goose bumps!

12-09-2004, 02:03 PM	#12
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	It had recently been working out that the QB who plays the best in games that don't matter wins the Heisman. I look for someone who can step up their game when the pressure is on. Tell me just how Jason White did that last year. Was it the loss to LSU or the 4 picks he threw in the Conference title game? Enlighten me.

12-09-2004, 02:16 PM	#13
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	I don't even know why I argue who should get the Heisman. The list of winners over the last 20 years reads like a laundry list of bad NFL players: 1984 Doug Flutie Boston College QB 1985 Bo Jackson Auburn RB 1986 Vinny Testaverde Miami (Fla) QB 1987 Tim Brown Notre Dame WR 1988 Barry Sanders Oklahoma State RB 1989 Andre Ware Houston QB 1990 Ty Detmer Brigham Young QB 1991 Desmond Howard Michigan WR 1992 Gino Torretta Miami (Fla) QB 1993 Charlie Ward Florida State QB 1994 Rashaan Salaam Colorado RB 1995 Eddie George Ohio State RB 1996 Danny Wuerffel Florida QB 1997 Charles Woodson Michigan CB 1998 Ricky Williams Texas RB 1999 Ron Dayne Wisconsin RB 2000 Chris Weinke Florida State QB 2001 Eric Crouch Nebraska QB 2002 Carson Palmer USC QB 2003 Jason White Oklahoma QB The good ones? Bo Jackson, Tim Brown, Barry Sanders, Eddie George, maybe Woodson and it depends on your opinion of Testaverde. The rest of them weren't that good. Time will tell about Palmer, but just yesterday PTI and Around the Horn were both debating about whether Jason White would even make an NFL roster. So, as good a college quarterback as he may be; he'll be an elite class with the likes of Danny Wuerffel, Eric Crouch, Chris Weinke, Charlie Ward, Gino Torretta, Ty Detmer and Andre Ware. Come to think of it, I hope he does win the Heisman, I don't want it to jinx any of the college players who actually have a future in football.

12-09-2004, 04:25 PM	#14
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	1. peterson 2. bush 3. one of them qbs (dont care which, its a distant 3rd)

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