Weakest Link?

offiss · 12-07-2004, 02:42 AM

I have to say we are very weak at the point of attack on offense and that's center, Raymer is a definite hindrance on our offensive line he is to weak, and immobile, he get's pushed around in the middle forget about moving a defender all he can do is try to get in the defender's way, we have to upgrade at the center position in this upcoming draft anyone know who the top prospect's are coming out and where their possibly projected to go?

Redskins_P · 12-07-2004, 10:19 AM

I agree offiss. Not only does he get beat, but he also draws alot penalties that kill crucial plays and/or drives. I mention on another thread that we should draft the best available center, but I don't think we'll take one in the 1st round. Especially if we have a high pick.

I like Will Montgomery coming out of VA Tech, but I'm not sure if he's a senior or not. I can't think of anyone else that has really stood out. Regardless, if we have a high pick in the 1st round we should draft the best d-lineman available. Then we can get a center in the later rounds.

I think we need a "Mel Kiper" type of guy here on the warpath that "scouts" players coming into the draft.

MTK · 12-07-2004, 11:31 AM

I think the key is who will be available in free agency.

illdefined · 12-07-2004, 12:00 PM

dead on about the center Offiss. can't remember the last time we ever had a dominant center. Raymer wasn't good enough the first time we had him, i thought thats why we get rid of him. had to be a desperation move to bring him back.

that said, i think Gibbs will definitely get an OLineman of some sort first. only thing that could maybe tempt him away from that is some monster DE, but the D already owes us one for ST..

BrudLee · 12-07-2004, 12:14 PM

ill, I don't think it was desperation as much as value. Raymer signed a relatively high dollar deal with San Diego and had injuries that left him available. He is in the first year of a three year, 3.1 milion dollar deal. He's cutable, but there aren't many $1 million centers with starting experience - certainly not ones this staff feels can be coached enough to play.

As was the case with Larry (ugh) Moore last year, the Center is a position that relies on the people next to him a lot, because they are slower to get into blocks. Injuries have kept Raymer and Friedman from enjoying consistency there.

An upgrade would be nice, though.

cpayne5 · 12-07-2004, 02:43 PM

I don't know what's going on with Raymer. He played well while he was here the first time, but he's been getting penalties like crazy this go around. Maybe a combination of age and injuries?

Big C · 12-07-2004, 03:04 PM

id say try and adress it through free agency, since we dont have a 2nd rounder, which would be a good round to grab a center. 3rd may be too late if we want an immediate difference. A smart guy at center with some years under his belt should be a top priority in the off season.

MTK · 12-07-2004, 03:07 PM

Raymer was never outstanding even when he was younger. He's an average player who's probably best suited as a backup at this point in his career.

bedlamVR · 12-07-2004, 03:16 PM

i think Big C and Matty are right this is a free agency pick up thing with maybe a project rookie late in the draft or UDFA. Anyone big comming up to the end of thier deals?

jrocx69 · 12-07-2004, 05:19 PM

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celts32 · 12-07-2004, 05:22 PM

I agree Raymer has not been good, but I still maintain that our WR's are the biggest hinderence to the offense. I know they played decent this past week, at least in terms of catching the ball better. However, they still don't get the seperation that is necessary. Particuarly Coles who is overmatched in the #1 WR role. Until we get a WR that can stretch the field and strike fear in a defense we will always be limited on offense.

jrocx69 · 12-07-2004, 05:23 PM

here's the list for the top 10 centers in the draft for the site i just posted

1. Ben Wilkerson, L.S.U.

2. Jason Brown, North Carolina

3. Vince Carter, Oklahoma

4. Donovan Raiola, Wisconsin *

5. Scott Mruczkowski, Bowling Green

6. Greg Eslinger, Minnesota *

7. Dylan Gandy, Texas Tech

8. Richie Incognito, Ex-Nebraska *

9. Junius Coston, North Carolina A&T

10. Drew Hodgdon, Arizona St.

BrudLee · 12-07-2004, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrocx69

3. Vince Carter, Oklahoma

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8. Richie Incognito, Ex-Nebraska *

Don't get Vince Carter, he's been nothing but trouble in Toronto.

As for Richie Incognito, will he show up in disguise? I'd like him - more of an anonymous player.

SmootSmack · 12-07-2004, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrudLee

Don't get Vince Carter, he's been nothing but trouble in Toronto.

As for Richie Incognito, will he show up in disguise? I'd like him - more of an anonymous player.

SmootSmack · 12-07-2004, 10:41 PM

I think Robbie Tobeck of the Seahawks and Dominic Raiola of the Lions are free agents

12-07-2004, 12:14 PM	#5
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	ill, I don't think it was desperation as much as value. Raymer signed a relatively high dollar deal with San Diego and had injuries that left him available. He is in the first year of a three year, 3.1 milion dollar deal. He's cutable, but there aren't many $1 million centers with starting experience - certainly not ones this staff feels can be coached enough to play. As was the case with Larry (ugh) Moore last year, the Center is a position that relies on the people next to him a lot, because they are slower to get into blocks. Injuries have kept Raymer and Friedman from enjoying consistency there. An upgrade would be nice, though. __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

12-07-2004, 02:43 PM	#6
cpayne5 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,807	I don't know what's going on with Raymer. He played well while he was here the first time, but he's been getting penalties like crazy this go around. Maybe a combination of age and injuries? __________________ "It's not about what you've done, but what's been done for you."

12-07-2004, 03:04 PM	#7
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	id say try and adress it through free agency, since we dont have a 2nd rounder, which would be a good round to grab a center. 3rd may be too late if we want an immediate difference. A smart guy at center with some years under his belt should be a top priority in the off season. __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

12-07-2004, 10:41 PM	#15
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	I think Robbie Tobeck of the Seahawks and Dominic Raiola of the Lions are free agents __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

12-07-2004, 02:42 AM	#1
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 60 Posts: 3,097	Weakest Link? I have to say we are very weak at the point of attack on offense and that's center, Raymer is a definite hindrance on our offensive line he is to weak, and immobile, he get's pushed around in the middle forget about moving a defender all he can do is try to get in the defender's way, we have to upgrade at the center position in this upcoming draft anyone know who the top prospect's are coming out and where their possibly projected to go?

12-07-2004, 10:19 AM	#2
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 46 Posts: 4,101	I agree offiss. Not only does he get beat, but he also draws alot penalties that kill crucial plays and/or drives. I mention on another thread that we should draft the best available center, but I don't think we'll take one in the 1st round. Especially if we have a high pick. I like Will Montgomery coming out of VA Tech, but I'm not sure if he's a senior or not. I can't think of anyone else that has really stood out. Regardless, if we have a high pick in the 1st round we should draft the best d-lineman available. Then we can get a center in the later rounds. I think we need a "Mel Kiper" type of guy here on the warpath that "scouts" players coming into the draft.

12-07-2004, 11:31 AM	#3
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	I think the key is who will be available in free agency.

12-07-2004, 12:00 PM	#4
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 48 Posts: 2,631	dead on about the center Offiss. can't remember the last time we ever had a dominant center. Raymer wasn't good enough the first time we had him, i thought thats why we get rid of him. had to be a desperation move to bring him back. that said, i think Gibbs will definitely get an OLineman of some sort first. only thing that could maybe tempt him away from that is some monster DE, but the D already owes us one for ST..

12-07-2004, 03:07 PM	#8
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Raymer was never outstanding even when he was younger. He's an average player who's probably best suited as a backup at this point in his career.

12-07-2004, 03:16 PM	#9
bedlamVR Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 389	i think Big C and Matty are right this is a free agency pick up thing with maybe a project rookie late in the draft or UDFA. Anyone big comming up to the end of thier deals?

12-07-2004, 05:19 PM	#10
jrocx69 Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dallas Age: 43 Posts: 461	http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/ very good site for some good info and really dont have to pay for what most of us are looking for.... check it out

12-07-2004, 05:22 PM	#11
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 53 Posts: 2,665	I agree Raymer has not been good, but I still maintain that our WR's are the biggest hinderence to the offense. I know they played decent this past week, at least in terms of catching the ball better. However, they still don't get the seperation that is necessary. Particuarly Coles who is overmatched in the #1 WR role. Until we get a WR that can stretch the field and strike fear in a defense we will always be limited on offense.

12-07-2004, 05:23 PM	#12
jrocx69 Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dallas Age: 43 Posts: 461	here's the list for the top 10 centers in the draft for the site i just posted 1. Ben Wilkerson, L.S.U. 2. Jason Brown, North Carolina 3. Vince Carter, Oklahoma 4. Donovan Raiola, Wisconsin * 5. Scott Mruczkowski, Bowling Green 6. Greg Eslinger, Minnesota * 7. Dylan Gandy, Texas Tech 8. Richie Incognito, Ex-Nebraska * 9. Junius Coston, North Carolina A&T 10. Drew Hodgdon, Arizona St.

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