A few notes on Ramsey:

[jdlea]

He had a better TD to INT ratio than Peyton Manning did in his 16 games as a starter. He had 23 TD's and 17 picks. Try to keep in mind also, that I know Ramsey threw 2 INT's on Hail Maries because we didn't have a quarterback with an arm other than him.

For all the haters:

Keep in mind that Patrick Ramsey is one of very few quarterbacks who managed to throw more Touchdowns in his first year as a starter. Has he taken a step back? I don't necessarily think so. He's been put into bad situations. When they brought him in yesterday, I thought it was a bad position to put the kid in. Down 17, obviously he's not going to win it. It will just shake his already fragile confidence. However, he did get going and come up with a TD to at least make it respectable. Moving on...I want everyone to remember that Ramsey may not have "played well," but you saw him take the hits. Also, the Skins didn't just have no running game last year. They had a starting Running Back who wasn't a day over 27, that is no longer in the league because he is so bad. Ramsey will learn to make less mistakes. This game is still relatively new to him. Keep in mind next week against Philly is just his 17th NFL start. The season is lost unless they win out, he should get the same leash Brunell got...half the season. Let's see what he can do and let's just see if he's the QB of the future.

I, for one, think that he is and believe he has better physical talent than Joey Harrington. The difference? Harrington got handed the job and get this...left alone. They let him struggle, they let him learn, now they're not too bad, most young quarterbacks just get, so be patient.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by jdlea

He had a better TD to INT ratio than Peyton Manning did in his 16 games as a starter. He had 23 TD's and 17 picks. Try to keep in mind also, that I know Ramsey threw 2 INT's on Hail Maries because we didn't have a quarterback with an arm other than him.

For all the haters:

Keep in mind that Patrick Ramsey is one of very few quarterbacks who managed to throw more Touchdowns in his first year as a starter. Has he taken a step back? I don't necessarily think so. He's been put into bad situations. When they brought him in yesterday, I thought it was a bad position to put the kid in. Down 17, obviously he's not going to win it. It will just shake his already fragile confidence. However, he did get going and come up with a TD to at least make it respectable. Moving on...I want everyone to remember that Ramsey may not have "played well," but you saw him take the hits. Also, the Skins didn't just have no running game last year. They had a starting Running Back who wasn't a day over 27, that is no longer in the league because he is so bad. Ramsey will learn to make less mistakes. This game is still relatively new to him. Keep in mind next week against Philly is just his 17th NFL start. The season is lost unless they win out, he should get the same leash Brunell got...half the season. Let's see what he can do and let's just see if he's the QB of the future.

I, for one, think that he is and believe he has better physical talent than Joey Harrington. The difference? Harrington got handed the job and get this...left alone. They let him struggle, they let him learn, now they're not too bad, most young quarterbacks just get, so be patient.

It's good to give stats to support your point but Ramsey was probably sacked more times than any other first year QB. He has had more passes batted down than any other first year starter also.

Had Ramsey played an entire season in his first first year like Manning that TD to INT ratio would have changed. As of now, Ramsey is not a rookie , yet he will continue to make the same mistakes that led him to the bench this year. He looked horrible in preseason and still has to prove himself this week.

After this week, I'm sure the Ramsey bandwagon will die down, because the only way we win is with Portis and not deep passes from Ramsey. 38 carries for 179 yds.

[Duffman003]

"Ramsey was probably sacked more times than any other first year QB" Sunra (I dont know how to do the cool quoting) I believe David Carr has that honor

[htownskinfan]

After this week, I'm sure the Ramsey bandwagon will die down, because the only way we win is with Portis and not deep passes from Ramsey. 38 carries for 179 yds.
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I dont think the Ramsey bandwagon will die down because theres no way he can play worse than brunell,I've never seen a qb have a worse stretch of games than Brunell,even if we dont win another game I cant see anybody wanting brunell back in,maybe Hasselback,but not Brunell

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Duffman003

"Ramsey was probably sacked more times than any other first year QB" Sunra (I dont know how to do the cool quoting) I believe David Carr has that honor

yeah,but Carr lasted the whole yr,Ramsey didnt

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Sunra, I know you don't like Ramsey, but do you stand by your earlier comments (from previous weeks) that Brunell should be the starting QB? Or have you joined the Ramsey "bandwagon?"

P.S. I'm not trying to be smart ass.

[jamf]

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this one game will not be a fair judgement of ramsey. he is going up against one of the best teams in the league. also, he is still doesnt have the timing down with his starting WR's.

ramsey is virtually a rookie all over again. spurriers offence was not a pro style, so it will take him some time to adjust to the coaches playbook.


if ramsey can lead the offence to more than 18 points, he would be a major improvement; i dont care how many mistakes he makes.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

It's good to give stats to support your point but Ramsey was probably sacked more times than any other first year QB. He has had more passes batted down than any other first year starter also.

Where are you getting the passes batted down stat? I've never heard that one and I don't believe it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I, for one, think that he is and believe he has better physical talent than Joey Harrington. The difference? Harrington got handed the job and get this...left alone. They let him struggle, they let him learn, now they're not too bad, most young quarterbacks just get, so be patient.

That pretty much sums up my thinking.

Had Ramsey come in to the league under better circumstances like guys like Carr and Harrington have, he would probably be a better QB right now than both of them.

If Ramsey gets the full commitment of this team over the long-term, I think he can develop in to a quality QB.

Right now he just hasn't had a fair shot.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

It's good to give stats to support your point but Ramsey was probably sacked more times than any other first year QB. He has had more passes batted down than any other first year starter also.

So where are you getting your #'s from?

You say it's good to give stats but you go on to say he was "probably" sacked more than any other first year QB which is totaly false, Carr was sacked an NFL record 76 times in his rookie season, thank you.

As for the batted passes I have no idea where you're "probably" getting that number from but I'd be interested to hear your source.

[offiss]

I wasen't able to access the site for the post game chat, Ramsey defiently showed his inexperience in this offense early on but he was kind of thrown to the wolves, he was very very lucky that the Bengal's defense can't catch, with that said he showed as the game wore on that he began to get better, and that's after 1 1/2 quarter's, I see a lot of Tom Brady in this kid he will only get better, will he have some bump's in the road? Of coarse, but he will become a dangerous QB, we will have to learn to live with the occasional head scratching INT until he really get's acclamated into this offense, he will also find his pass protection a little better when he doesn't have to play from behind, as well Portis will start running more effectivly when team's start to respect Ramsey 1 hand washes the other, our offense is poised to take off but we do have a very difficult task the over the next 4 week's, I bet Ramsey beat's the eagles 1 of those games, I am just very glad we finally made the switch. As I predicted. :thumb:

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[CROOKEDSKINS]

he will get us over 20 points against the eagles
something we havent seen for along time

[dragontat7169]

Here is my opinion as to the QB situation with the Skins.

First of all, let me start by saying "I don't like Brunell" and never really have. However, I will say that earlier in the season I thought that Coach Gibbs must have seen something in Brunell that we all didn't and that is why Coach Gibbs stuck with Brunell for so long. Well I am going to change that and say that Coach Gibbs DIDN'T see something in Ramsey. Ramsey's biggest problem is his ability to handle the pass rush. He has great arm strength and his accuracy is average but will improve with time. Don't get me wrong, not all of his problems are his fault. Alot of them have to do with the Offensive line. I would be a bit cautious if I got hit as many times as he did last year. I think that is the main reason why Coach Gibbs stuck with Brunell so long. Coach Gibbs knows that the protection isn't quite there yet and I think he probably felt more comfortable with a veteran QB who can handle the rush a little better. As I remember, quite a few of Brunells interceptions were a result of him being hit as he threw, however he was still blamed and the blame really should have been put on the O line. As I am sure most of you saw, Ramsey went down rather quickly on a few plays where there was a strong rush, sometimes even before he got hit. This showed me just how timid Ramsey is back there during the rush. And I think this relates to last season's beating he took. I also think the strong pass rush affects Ramsey's decision making. I lost count as to how many passes should have been intercepted because of poor judgement when he was being rushed.

All in all, I think Ramsey should start the rest of the season. Why? Well he has to gain his confidence back somehow. I think Coach Gibbs was right by sticking with Brunell for so long. If we don't win another game this season, I really don't care (except for the Dallas Game of course). I would much rather see Ramsey get his confidence back.

Next year we will get Jansen back and we will need to find another good pass protector or two. I honesty think that if Ramsey can get the protection he will become a good QB. But he also needs to get his confidence back.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

It's good to give stats to support your point but Ramsey was probably sacked more times than any other first year QB. He has had more passes batted down than any other first year starter also.

Had Ramsey played an entire season in his first first year like Manning that TD to INT ratio would have changed. As of now, Ramsey is not a rookie , yet he will continue to make the same mistakes that led him to the bench this year. He looked horrible in preseason and still has to prove himself this week.

After this week, I'm sure the Ramsey bandwagon will die down, because the only way we win is with Portis and not deep passes from Ramsey. 38 carries for 179 yds.

Whats your deal with Ramsey SUNRA? Come one man give the guy a chance to prove himself. And why are you comparing him to Manning? Manning was the first overall pick!

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Sunra, I know you don't like Ramsey, but do you stand by your earlier comments (from previous weeks) that Brunell should be the starting QB? Or have you joined the Ramsey "bandwagon?"

P.S. I'm not trying to be smart ass.

It's not that I don't like Ramsey. I don't like mediocrity. Brunell was clearly brought here because Ramsey wasn't ready. Had he been ready, I would have been the first to support him. But I'm not going to blindly follow this unproven guy into a ditch. I'm saying let's wait and see what he develops into in the next weeks because I don't want the excuse to be well he had only seven games he started in and he needs more time. I guarantee you, if Ramsey does not establish some consistency on avoiding the sack and throwing INT's he will not start next year. Gibbs will ask Brunell to re-negotiate his contract and Drew Brees, John Kitna or Quincy Carter might be auditioning for a QB spot.