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Football Outsiders Picks Redskins to Make Postseason
NFC East Projected Mean Wins
1. Philadelphia Eagles 9.3 wins (SB contender prob. 26%) 2. Washington Redskins 9.2 wins (SB contender prob. 26%) 3. New York Giants 8.7 wins (SB contender prob. 22%) 4. Dallas Cowboys: 7.5 wins (SB contender prob. 8%) **** I have also attached the entire chapter essay, written by Mike Tanier. It's a very good read, though it takes pretty much 80% of it to poke holes in our long term future, ignoring any substantial defense of the really high projection for this year. It's the second straight year that the essay for the Redskins has nothing to do with the current roster, but in a way, I think, the national media still sees the Redskins as a team on a treadmill of the same mistakes, and as this essay points out, they ARE still making the same mistakes that they were seven years ago. One way to change our plight would be to actually change the way that we build teams. But unmentioned by the article: if the Redskins can win in consecutive years, that would shut up a lot of the same story lines we've had to read forever. Quote:
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Re: Football Outsiders Picks Redskins to Make Postseason
i just deleted a bunch of comments on this article. i like footballoutsiders for their stats but i find this style of writing to very unfocused and confusing. he spends the majority of the article painting a very dark picture then says we will make the playoffs and have a chance to win the nfc east. but then says shanahan will be gone in 3 years, mcnabb back to phily and we are left with the DS and urban meyer.
where is the harm in signing the likes of galloway, parker, johnson to min contracts outside of maybe they take up one of the 53 spots instead of an undrafted FA rookie invited to camp? we didnt give up any draft picks for them so how did it increase our chances of not finding a great young runningback or receiver? what, b/c this great young undrafted runningback that grows on trees outside his house will have to compete and earn a spot? if hes great and young, he will beat out parker. i just dont see why this guy has so much hate for galloway to repeatedly refer to his signing as evidence of doom and gloom. maybe he is the lunatic.i just dont get it. moss doesnt seem like a veteran leader for our receiving core, galloway is going to be like a second coach out there. if we dont think he will contribute on the field, we can cut him or offer him a consulating position. thats what he is here for anyway, to show the young receivers how to train, study and work like a professional. What were our special team lapses? I cant think of one punt or kick return taken to the house against us last year. not to say there wasnt one, but i cant think of it. but we are a safe bet for a wild card spot or win our division? i dont mind hate, we went 4-12 but keep it consistent.
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Re: Football Outsiders Picks Redskins to Make Postseason
What's particularly stupid about this piece is that he automatically assumes that because we signed a bunch of veteran dudes, that necessarily precludes younger players from making the roster.
If the Galloways and the Vonnie Hollidays don't show in camp that they are worthy of one or two more years in the NFL, then they'll be history. Bringing in Galloway and Bobby Wade is a good way to find out if Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas are capable of stepping up. In their third NFL season, if a direct threat to their job security doesn't get them going, nothing will. And is he actually serious in suggesting that we'd be better off with a combination of Derek Anderson and Jimmy Clausen instead of Donovan McNabb? You can't go saying shit like that and expect to be taken seriously as a writer. I mean WTF.
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Re: Football Outsiders Picks Redskins to Make Postseason
Garbage.
He should stick to doing math and give up writing.
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Re: Football Outsiders Picks Redskins to Make Postseason
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In reality, there's going to be just as much turnover next year in the roster as there is this year. I think the greater point, which could have been better stated, is that with just two draft picks in the top four rounds, there's no way off the vicious cycle of signing veteran players to plug holes. Basically, with these veteran signings, two things can happen, neither of them good. They either drag down our performance this year and aren't retained, or they actually have a random good season at the end of a long career and then we either: retain them or have to replace the production. Either way, the winning would be built on unsustainable practices. If Thomas and Kelly were to carry the load instead of Galloway and Moss, then we don't need to change a thing, obviously.
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Re: Football Outsiders Picks Redskins to Make Postseason
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Let's say that Galloway and Vonnie Holliday perform well in camp, displace guys like Thomas and Carriker, and help us fulfill a 9 or 10 win projection and make the postseason. It's March 2011: what do you do with the receiver and DE positions?
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Shanahan's method of creating the competition just helps you find out about players faster. Now I'm not saying you jettison a rookie because he was beaten out by Joey Galloway. But by the time you hit your third year, your development chances are done. Put up or shut up time.
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Re: Football Outsiders Picks Redskins to Make Postseason
For the record I think Devin Thomas will do pretty well in Shanahan's system and will send Galloway packing. But I like the idea of giving him some competition to keep him motivated.
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Re: Football Outsiders Picks Redskins to Make Postseason
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Which, of course, is Tanier's main point: if Galloway and Holliday are anything more than one-year roster fillers that do a little bit of pushing in camp and a lot of scout team work, then they will likely enter 2011 as the best of a bunch of bad options for a team desperately trying to hold on to a singular playoff berth while fighting off the same effects of age that the early decade Raiders had to.
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Re: Football Outsiders Picks Redskins to Make Postseason
I would not be surprised if the Skins make the playoffs and go deep into it.
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Re: Football Outsiders Picks Redskins to Make Postseason
The faulty premise in his argument is that we'd have to endure some sort of a "loser's curse" if we made the playoffs, caused by the fact that Snyder likes to jump into our business when the future appears bright.
I think he's wrong: I doubt Dan Snyder cares about the day to day operation of the team. However, Shanahan more or less has the same track record, so that, in my opinion, might be what gets us.
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Re: Football Outsiders Picks Redskins to Make Postseason
But we had no picks, so the only option we had was free agency. And beyond, McNabb, who else have we signed who is gonna cost us arm and leg? Also all these vets probably won't get long term deals. We will have to fully rebuild at one point.
Pretty poor logic to deem Galloway a "vintage" Redskins' signing. We aren't overpaying and we are bringing in cheap competition.
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Re: Football Outsiders Picks Redskins to Make Postseason
On a personal note, I am unsold on our positioning as the 1a. team in the division to Philly's 1. Their Dallas projection is built on the back of a horrid projection for their offensive line depth and age, but it seems to me that even though that probably will be a banged-up, terrible disgrace of an offensive line, their defense has a lot more upside than that projection allows for, and given Romo's ability to make the first guy miss consistently, I don't see a bottom ten unit on that side of the ball until Jon Kitna takes the field.
If Dallas jumps to the top of the projection, we go from prohibitive favorite to a very fringe playoff contender, in the same boat as Philly and New Orleans -- which is tough competition, plus we'll need to hold as many tiebreakers as possible against Minnesota/Chicago/Green Bay.
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Re: Football Outsiders Picks Redskins to Make Postseason
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It's just we'd learn that this year instead of next. Tanier is questioning the decision making of Shanahan and the front office, suggesting that bringing in these vets for the quick fix is more of the same. It's not at all. It's partly designed to find out about the current roster sooner rather than later.
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Re: Football Outsiders Picks Redskins to Make Postseason
So this guy has us better than the Giants and Dallas???? Um I don't think so. Right now those teams are better than we are. End of discussion.
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