Skins' QB in 2005?

MTK · 11-15-2004, 09:53 AM

vote and discuss

Redskins_P · 11-15-2004, 10:40 AM

Ramsey all the way. This franchise has gone through QB's like freaking underwear. We need continuity at the position and I feel like Ramsey is the man. He still has a lot to learn, but he has all the talent to become a succesful QB in the NFL. Stick with Ramsey....

MTK · 11-15-2004, 10:47 AM

I'm hoping it's Ramsey.

He basically has a 7 game audition for next season. It's not going to be easy for him, he hasn't had much work all season in practice and now all of a sudden he's the starter. Plus we're entering a tough part of the schedule so his margin for error is going to be slim.

Hopefully he'll flash enough to convince Gibbs that he can be the QB to take this team to the next level. It's hard to imagine him playing any worse than Brunell has, that's for sure.

djnemo65 · 11-15-2004, 10:50 AM

I voted for Ramsey, but I do think that is subject to change contingent upon his performance over these last seven games. Indeed, we are really gonna find out alot about how well suited he is to run this offense. Especially over the next two weeks where those blitz happy pa teams are gonna try and exploit his immobility by throwing the whole team at him. So I expect him to do well, but we'll see. As good as he was at the beginning last year, once teams figured out you could blitz him without repercussion he was never the same (I know that is largely Spurrier's fault). So we'll see.

irish · 11-15-2004, 10:50 AM

It has to be other. Its obvious now why gibbs had reservations about putting PR into the game. Maybe getting to start a game will change PR's performance for the better, but I doubt it. MB is done. The skins have a real dillema on their hands and will have to decide whether to get another free-agent QB or draft one and develop him fresh.

Beemnseven · 11-15-2004, 10:55 AM

Kitna? Brees? Has there been talk of these guys coming to Washington that I missed? Isn't Kitna under contract for a while in Cincy?

I voted other, only because Ramsey obviously doesn't fit the bill for Gibbs, otherwise we would have seen him starting in Week 1. Unless Ramsey really turns the corner and becomes the franchise quarterback that we all expected when he was drafted, (which I highly doubt -- this franchise seems to be doomed when it comes to developing our own quarterbacks) I think Gibbs will either bring in someone else or go back with Mark Brunell. Believe it or not, barring Mark Brunell's retirement or injury, I don't think Gibbs is ready to give up on the man that he personally hand picked as soon as he returned as head coach.

MTK · 11-15-2004, 11:50 AM

I was just throwing out some names, Brees is probably going to be the big name FA in the market and Wilbon mentioned Kitna in his article.

Skins fan 44 · 11-15-2004, 12:50 PM

Why did we have to get rid of Trent Green? Voted for Ramsey due to not being able to afford any other qb. What is the cap hit if Burnell retires?

MTK · 11-15-2004, 12:55 PM

Green was caught up in the whole ownership change mess. It's hard to fault anyone for him leaving, plus he wanted to play in his hometown so he probably would have left anyway.

rickmmrr · 11-15-2004, 12:55 PM

Stay with Ramsey.

We don't have the money for a new QB so let coach Gibbs "coach'em up".

He already has the physical tools to be very good. Just needs some help
with the mental tools. Confidence, more pocket presence, better reads, etc.

Shane · 11-15-2004, 12:56 PM

We can't say who should start in 2005 because we don't know what Ramsey is going to do this season. We should not cede this season to Ramsey - he has to earn it. We have another quarterback on the roster, and if Ramsey can't get the team going, then we shouldn't stick with him until the ship sinks under the sea. We should get a new boat - Hasselbeck. If Ramsey shows promise and keeps improving, then let him play.

I don't think we are going to spend a lot in free agency on Brees. If Kitna comes cheap, then he is a possibility. I think at this point we should let Brunell go and take the salary cap hit.

If Ramsey flounders and is not showing promise, then I think we should release him at the end of the season, or trade him if possible. Hopefully, however, his time on the sidelines has given him a chance to master the system mentally. With Brunell fading from the picture, he doesn't have anyone looking over his shoulder in the immediate future.

Now is the time - Ramsey has to show he can be the leader or else we have to let him go and start anew. I wish him luck.

Defensewins · 11-15-2004, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

...He basically has a 7 game audition for next season. It's not going to be easy for him, he hasn't had much work all season in practice and now all of a sudden he's the starter. Plus we're entering a tough part of the schedule so his margin for error is going to be slim.

Hopefully he'll flash enough to convince Gibbs that he can be the QB to take this team to the next level. It's hard to imagine him playing any worse than Brunell has, that's for sure.

I hope Ramsey works out. However you seem to be preparing a ready made excuse in case he does not do well. He has had plenty of time running this offense. All the QB schools this summer, the entire training camp and preseason. Lets not kid ourselves, if Ramsey is not ready by now, it is his own fault. You make it sound like he has not taken snap in months. He gets plenty of work in practice.

irish · 11-15-2004, 01:39 PM

Exactly Defense. Every week on Channel 4 in Dc both gibbs & bugel say that PR needs to show them more in practice and because of that he is not the starter. If PR cant do it in practice then he will never do it in game time.

PR does have the physical skills (so did Jeff George) but as I have read various reports in the papers that quote defense players in the nfl saying that PR cant "see" the field. A QB can have all the physical skiil in the world but if he can see the field than those skills are moot. I'm just not sure vision can be taught in summer QB camp. The skins are in big trouble at the QB position.

4TH RING · 11-15-2004, 02:00 PM

As long as the offensive line can protect him, Ramsey is going to be alright. He has the arm to make all the throws and now that he's starting the experience is only going to make him better. His only drawback is his immobility, but there are a lot of good QB's out there that still perform while having to deal with this issue.

JWsleep · 11-15-2004, 02:25 PM

I voted Ramsey out of pure despair. But I don't know...

View Poll Results: Who will be the Redskins' starting QB in 2005?
Ramsey	48	75.00%
Brunell	0	0%
Hasselbeck	2	3.13%
Brees	9	14.06%
Kitna	2	3.13%
other	3	4.69%
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11-15-2004, 09:53 AM	#1
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Skins' QB in 2005? vote and discuss

11-15-2004, 12:50 PM	#8
Skins fan 44 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brazil, IN Age: 54 Posts: 883	Why did we have to get rid of Trent Green? Voted for Ramsey due to not being able to afford any other qb. What is the cap hit if Burnell retires? __________________ HTTR!

11-15-2004, 02:25 PM	#15
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,714	I voted Ramsey out of pure despair. But I don't know... __________________ Hail from Houston!

11-15-2004, 10:40 AM	#2
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 46 Posts: 4,101	Ramsey all the way. This franchise has gone through QB's like freaking underwear. We need continuity at the position and I feel like Ramsey is the man. He still has a lot to learn, but he has all the talent to become a succesful QB in the NFL. Stick with Ramsey....

11-15-2004, 10:47 AM	#3
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	I'm hoping it's Ramsey. He basically has a 7 game audition for next season. It's not going to be easy for him, he hasn't had much work all season in practice and now all of a sudden he's the starter. Plus we're entering a tough part of the schedule so his margin for error is going to be slim. Hopefully he'll flash enough to convince Gibbs that he can be the QB to take this team to the next level. It's hard to imagine him playing any worse than Brunell has, that's for sure.

11-15-2004, 10:50 AM	#4
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	I voted for Ramsey, but I do think that is subject to change contingent upon his performance over these last seven games. Indeed, we are really gonna find out alot about how well suited he is to run this offense. Especially over the next two weeks where those blitz happy pa teams are gonna try and exploit his immobility by throwing the whole team at him. So I expect him to do well, but we'll see. As good as he was at the beginning last year, once teams figured out you could blitz him without repercussion he was never the same (I know that is largely Spurrier's fault). So we'll see.

11-15-2004, 10:50 AM	#5
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	It has to be other. Its obvious now why gibbs had reservations about putting PR into the game. Maybe getting to start a game will change PR's performance for the better, but I doubt it. MB is done. The skins have a real dillema on their hands and will have to decide whether to get another free-agent QB or draft one and develop him fresh.

11-15-2004, 10:55 AM	#6
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 50 Posts: 5,311	Kitna? Brees? Has there been talk of these guys coming to Washington that I missed? Isn't Kitna under contract for a while in Cincy? I voted other, only because Ramsey obviously doesn't fit the bill for Gibbs, otherwise we would have seen him starting in Week 1. Unless Ramsey really turns the corner and becomes the franchise quarterback that we all expected when he was drafted, (which I highly doubt -- this franchise seems to be doomed when it comes to developing our own quarterbacks) I think Gibbs will either bring in someone else or go back with Mark Brunell. Believe it or not, barring Mark Brunell's retirement or injury, I don't think Gibbs is ready to give up on the man that he personally hand picked as soon as he returned as head coach.

11-15-2004, 11:50 AM	#7
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	I was just throwing out some names, Brees is probably going to be the big name FA in the market and Wilbon mentioned Kitna in his article.

11-15-2004, 12:55 PM	#9
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Green was caught up in the whole ownership change mess. It's hard to fault anyone for him leaving, plus he wanted to play in his hometown so he probably would have left anyway.

11-15-2004, 12:55 PM	#10
rickmmrr Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 395	Stay with Ramsey. We don't have the money for a new QB so let coach Gibbs "coach'em up". He already has the physical tools to be very good. Just needs some help with the mental tools. Confidence, more pocket presence, better reads, etc.

11-15-2004, 12:56 PM	#11
Shane Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 277	We can't say who should start in 2005 because we don't know what Ramsey is going to do this season. We should not cede this season to Ramsey - he has to earn it. We have another quarterback on the roster, and if Ramsey can't get the team going, then we shouldn't stick with him until the ship sinks under the sea. We should get a new boat - Hasselbeck. If Ramsey shows promise and keeps improving, then let him play. I don't think we are going to spend a lot in free agency on Brees. If Kitna comes cheap, then he is a possibility. I think at this point we should let Brunell go and take the salary cap hit. If Ramsey flounders and is not showing promise, then I think we should release him at the end of the season, or trade him if possible. Hopefully, however, his time on the sidelines has given him a chance to master the system mentally. With Brunell fading from the picture, he doesn't have anyone looking over his shoulder in the immediate future. Now is the time - Ramsey has to show he can be the leader or else we have to let him go and start anew. I wish him luck.

11-15-2004, 01:39 PM	#13
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	Exactly Defense. Every week on Channel 4 in Dc both gibbs & bugel say that PR needs to show them more in practice and because of that he is not the starter. If PR cant do it in practice then he will never do it in game time. PR does have the physical skills (so did Jeff George) but as I have read various reports in the papers that quote defense players in the nfl saying that PR cant "see" the field. A QB can have all the physical skiil in the world but if he can see the field than those skills are moot. I'm just not sure vision can be taught in summer QB camp. The skins are in big trouble at the QB position.

11-15-2004, 02:00 PM	#14
4TH RING Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 129	As long as the offensive line can protect him, Ramsey is going to be alright. He has the arm to make all the throws and now that he's starting the experience is only going to make him better. His only drawback is his immobility, but there are a lot of good QB's out there that still perform while having to deal with this issue.

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