Am I crazy?

[gortiz]

Who out there trusts Gibbs? Really trusts Gibbs? I think I do. . .eventhough every bone in my body wants Ramsey to start.

Its pretty easy to say that Gibbs is stubborn or favoring Brunell because of religious reasons, or doesn't want to look bad cause Brunell is "his guy..."

But I think Gibbs cares more about winning then he does any of that crap. If he thought Pat could give us a better chance to win he would put him in there....

What do you guys think??

Who out there REALLY trusts Gibbs??

[EEich]

I think Gibbs bought a very expensive square peg and is pummeling it with a very large sledge. Admitting to himself that signing Brunell to a big contract was a mistake amounts to admitting that his dream of a Superbowl repeat might not happen because of the damage it's done to the salary cap.

I trust that Gibbs is a very good coach who is smart enough to realize that he made a very bad mistake and is trying his hardest to deal with it the best way he knows. I trust that he wishes he signed a better free agent quarterback or signed Brunell to a contract that didn't hurt the team long term.

I don't trust that he is making all the right decisions for the franchise.

[Skins fan 44]

We all trust Gibbs no questioning that. The question is why is Brunell staying in. Is Ramsey not that impressive to Gibbs or is there too much invested in Brunell to pull him out. Maybe Coach is seeing something that we dont and one game Brunell will really get in to it and he can tell everyone I told you so. At this point I dont think that Ramsey can do much worse. Who am I to question some guy that has won 3 Super Bowls. I saw on PTI today that Wilbon was talking about where Drew Brees could play next year and he mentioned Baltimore and Washington. I would not see how we could get Brees next year as much as we have invested in Brunell (how much of a hit would we take on the cap). At any rate I dont see how we could keep Brunell at this point. I know, I know I am WAY ahead of my self here. Lets just hope that Brunell will learn or get the system SOON. If Brunell starts playing good the whole team will. No to think that he is a one man team, but it seems like everything is great except QB position.

[SUNRA]

To ask the question, what does Gibbs's see in Brunell that we don't see is a rhetorical question that really doesn't demand an explanation because by now we should all know why Brunell is in the game. With that said, when I you look at Ramsey from a mentally tough standpoint, the same dilemma keeps entering my mind. Turnovers, sacks and more turnovers. Gibbs is not having it and rightfully so. He has patience with the passing game because the offensive line is not consistent along with Brunell. Brunell's best days have passed him by but he does know how to avoid the sack and throw the ball away all too well and that's what Gibbs wants. Another opportunity to run a play. If you look at our time of possession, it's usually equal or above our opponents which means there is some consistency with ball management. I'm patiently waiting for an available veteran QB to become an free agent so this team can return to greatest because Ramsey is nowhere near Rothlisberger.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by gortiz

Who out there trusts Gibbs? Really trusts Gibbs? I think I do. . .eventhough every bone in my body wants Ramsey to start.

Its pretty easy to say that Gibbs is stubborn or favoring Brunell because of religious reasons, or doesn't want to look bad cause Brunell is "his guy..."

But I think Gibbs cares more about winning then he does any of that crap. If he thought Pat could give us a better chance to win he would put him in there....

What do you guys think??

Who out there REALLY trusts Gibbs??

Zack Mills, is that you?

[EEich]

ha... it's not Zack.
gortiz was around before Zack was evicted.

[djnemo65]

The factor that doesn't getting discussed when people invoke Gibbs' 3 rings as reason to "trust" him, is that he was GM for exactly zero of those championships. instead, we had bobby bethard, who is widely regarded as one of the true personel geniuses in NFL history.

While I trust Gibbs to manage the game on sunday, and feel that I owe him that based on his past record, I do not feel obliged to trust his GM abilities. Indeed, there is one glaring personel decision he has made this year that I felt was outrageous at the time, and grows more indefensible with each passing week. You guys know who I'm talking about.....Walt Harris.

But seriously, I can guarantee you that Bethard wouldn't have gone and dropped 43 mil and a third rounder on a washed up QB, when the future was waiting there to be properly schooled.

And I know that Gibbs isn't technically GM, but Brunell was all his call.

No I'm not a Gibbs hater, and no I'm not Zach Mills in disguise. I am just think its harder to trust his personel acumen with each passing week.

[SmootSmack]

I would say I trust him. I don't always agree with his decisions. But I trust that he's doing what he feels is in the best interests of the team

[Portisfan]

I have good faith in coach Gibbs, but I don't believe that either Brunell or Ramsey is the answer. I would prefer to see the rookie Tim Hasselbeck, he looked decent during the pre-season. If that is the answer, we will never know because Gibbs will never put him in. Besides it really makes no difference with a crumbling offensive line.

[VTSkins897]

everyone is saying get bruns outta there
so he must know something we don't...

[Shane]

Joe Gibbs is a remarkable man. He knows how to lead, he has a wonderful sense of how to motivate people, his intelligence and football acumen is brilliant, his heart sets a shining example of what we are supposed to be like as human beings. We are incredibly fortunate to have Gibbs here

The whole comparison of Gibbs to Spurrier due to the results so far is just such a shallow analysis. Yes, as Doc Walker put it, the cancer has been very deep in Redskin land for many years now, and half a season isn't going to root it all out. But the attitude is totally different and the foundation for the future is being built. You have to think long term here, but I know that is too much to ask of many impatient souls.

Gibbs has stayed with Brunell because he has seen that Brunell isn't the primary source of the problem; he sees the whole situation as a system with a lot of complicated reasons as to why it hasn't been working well, one of them being Brunell's often struggling play. Also, Ramsey has not been ready to play with the new offensive scheme, and is not mobile enough to handle the pass rush that teams have been able to get on us at times. When it is clear that changing to Ramsey is going to give us a better shot to win, Gibbs will change.

It is not a matter of being stubborn, it is a matter of seeing a bigger picture. The lack of clear improvement from Brunell however bodes poorly for him, and I think that if Ramsey has gotten more comfortable, he may play against Philadelphia.

I have faith in Joe Gibbs as being the coach who will create a better spiritual environment than any other in all of professional sports, and that will lead to success on the field without doubt. You can enjoy the road to success and how a successful team is built, or you can demand we win now and keep shuffling the deck like we have for the past 5 or 6 years, and never build anything that lasts.

[CROOKEDSKINS]

gotta trust gibbs he will get the job done

[Daseal]

If it's true that Ramsey doesn't get snaps in practice, like someone said in another thread, then I think Joe Gibbs is completely senile. It's obvious that Mark Brunell is not playing well. You don't need three super-bowls to see that. He talks about how great Patrick Ramsey is and how he's not going anywhere. News flash buddy. Welcome to free agency. I can think of plenty of clubs that want a QB like Ramsey and Brunell's contract could hinder our signing of him, but nothing more than him not seeing game time and being stuck behing a struggling QB.

The rest of the team will soon start resenting him. This is more than just a game to them. It's a job. The defense is used too much and by the 4th quarter they get tired. Not to mention, how much more recognition would our amazing defense have if we had only a couple losses? The whole league would be talking about how great we are! I think their problems are mainly recognition, the other offensive players are the ones with the major gripe. This can affect their next pay-day. When they're not putting up stats because rag-arm can't hit them wide open. They get upset. The line would hold better when they don't stack 9 in the box, because unless we have 3 WRs they play man on, they know who gets the ball.

[NY_Skinsfan]

Daseal, you brought up a good point...As much as I support Gibbs decisions even though I don't agree with them, I am surprised that he doesn't see what the rest of us sees. My point, all the teams we've played know to stack the box against Portis. This stops the running game. Then at the end of the game Gibbs comments on how the O-line was having problems. No shit they're having problems. It's just seems so simple...with Ramsey there is a downfield threat, the defense has to back off, which in turn makes it easier for the O-line. Problem solved. Gibbs can't complain about the O-line now. And all of a sudden Portis doesn't know what to do with all the holes to run through...too many choices (that's just a bonus).

I know it's not that simple...but why not give a go and see what happens. It's not like the fans are going to boo when Ramsey takes the field.

[DragoJT87]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

To ask the question, what does Gibbs's see in Brunell that we don't see is a rhetorical question that really doesn't demand an explanation because by now we should all know why Brunell is in the game. With that said, when I you look at Ramsey from a mentally tough standpoint, the same dilemma keeps entering my mind. Turnovers, sacks and more turnovers. Gibbs is not having it and rightfully so. He has patience with the passing game because the offensive line is not consistent along with Brunell. Brunell's best days have passed him by but he does know how to avoid the sack and throw the ball away all too well and that's what Gibbs wants. Another opportunity to run a play. If you look at our time of possession, it's usually equal or above our opponents which means there is some consistency with ball management. I'm patiently waiting for an available veteran QB to become an free agent so this team can return to greatest because Ramsey is nowhere near Rothlisberger.

I wonder how "mentally tough" Brunell would be if he were handing the ball to Rock Cartwright or if he had only 5 pass blockers. Two different situations, two different outcomes.