Real Redskins?

bedlamVR · 11-03-2004, 03:24 AM

Who do you guys think are definatly in Gibbs plans and standding out as real redskins? Mostly they seem to be oon defence.

Smoooooot stands out but need to get his $$$$ this year he and Springs looks to be a great tandem. Wynn, Griffin, Pierce and Washington all look like long term players here.

On offence
Jansen obviously, Portis possibly but i am not sure about Rock, which is a shame, or Betts. Cooley looks like a Gibbs guy and was a Gibbs pick turning out okay so does Sellers and maybe Royal will show he can be the other TE outlasting Rasby and Baxter. Coles and Gardner look fine not outstanding but Gardner is really putting in a good year... is he coming upto a contract year? Thrash is definatly a Gibbs guy despite loosing us the game on Sunday and Jacobs looks like he could break into the line up soon with good work habit and excelent rout running . McCants though may be on his way and may have played his last game as a Redskin already.

The biggest area of concern is QB he is standing behind Brunell, at least publically which is great but something tells me he is not convinced about any of the guys he has. It will be interesting to see what happens down the stretch.

On special teams Morton, who i thought was a shoe in to be out of here in cap moves next year has shown excelent character, was showing some sparkle as the year went on and instead of going home to like his wounds once lost for the year has said he wants to come into Redskin park to help any way he can. Hall is okay but unfortunatly injured and Kickers in gerneral don't have much love if they suffer after comming back from injuries.

SmootSmack · 11-03-2004, 03:27 AM

Solid assessment. I would agree that the majority are gys on defense, including guys like Lott, Clark, Marshall.

I believe Garnder's contract year is next year. He works hard. I think he's definitely a Gibbs guy.

That Guy · 11-03-2004, 07:30 AM

i think all the WRs except mccants are sticking around... they haven't had great years due mainly to bad QB play and a scheme that's only been sending out 2 guys in its initial going...

barrow's toast at this rate, i think bowen (even though he still sucks in coverage), lavar are safe, in fact most of the D including its 2nd stringers...

the oline may be completely different by next year (except for jansen)... they haven't been bad, but they haven't been good either. I don't really think he'll can the entire line, but there's 5 guys on that line right now that he could fire and i wouldn't be surprised or angry/questioning why...

Portis, smoot and springs, imo are the safest... portis is great blocker (for an RB... he's super fast too, go watch the clip where he was 5 yards behind coles and was able to run past him and totally pancake a guy in his way), and portis can catch.

betts? rock? mccants? those are three from last year that may be gone... gardner has improved 100% in the last few games... no drops and good catches... baxter is already gone again.

Daseal · 11-03-2004, 08:22 AM

The sad thing is Barrow and McCants are rapidly losing trade value and they have might big contracts right now. Going to be hard to get anything for them!

I hope we have enough free money to pay Smoot with that huge contract our QB has.

EEich · 11-03-2004, 09:17 AM

Didn't the trade deadline already pass?

Daseal · 11-03-2004, 09:18 AM

Im talking about when the season is over. We're going to want to unload them but their contracts are big for putting up goose-egg numbers.

MTK · 11-03-2004, 09:29 AM

Yeah nobody is going to want to trade for Barrow or McCants.

That Guy · 11-03-2004, 11:01 AM

miami or SF or chicago etc could use mccants...

they'll be 2nd string/backup value though...

Drift Reality · 11-03-2004, 11:24 AM

I think if they could get something for McCants, which they won't, they'd pull the trigger, but I think they may wait a year to see if Barrow can recover.

Wynn has been playing very well this year but I'm not sure if he is a 5 million dollar player, which is what he gets. The fact that the cap hit wouldn't be huge if he was cut makes him a target.

The Brunell contract sucks ass - there is no getting around it. If he had any decency, he would renegotiate his contract at the end of this year to make it MUCH smaller but that would never happen.

Based on contracts, talent, and Gibbs-player qualities, here are our long term guys I think:

Offense: Jansen, Portis, Coles, Cooley, ??
Defense: Smoot, Arrington, Griffin, Springs, Bowen, Washington, Wynn, Pierce.

I think if Sean Taylor extracts his head from out of his ass, you can put him on that list also.

Samuels is really questionable considering his huge cap number and his sub-pro bowl caliber play.

Gardiner is sort of tough to figure. He has been playing well, but I'm just not sure if he is a Gibbs-type player.

Finally, Ramsey is the big question mark. I am convinced that all this talk of Gibbs having no confidence in Ramsey being able to get it done is a bunch of bullshit. Ramsey is a young quarterback in a new system and Gibbs has NEVER put a guy in, in this situation unless he had no other choice.

MTK · 11-03-2004, 11:38 AM

I think you guys are overestimating McCants' market value.

Even if someone wanted to trade for him we're not going to get much in return. He hasn't shown much except that he's a guy with potential, and you can say that about a ton of guys around the league.

Drift Reality · 11-03-2004, 12:00 PM

I agree with Matty 100% - he hasn't proven anything.

You've got to remember there are 32 teams in this league and they all have guys with potential who we've never heard of.

That Guy · 11-03-2004, 12:30 PM

mccants does have 6 TDs in a season though as a number 3...

gardner is a gibbs player btw, first in, last out at practice, etc etc... i think he and thrash stick around, and taylor will be here too... he has to be working hard to keep up with LC, DG, and JT... cause those three are all supposed to be workaholics.

On D, i think they keep a lot of the 2nd string guys too... most of them have worked out pretty well... they seem high on ryan clark... warner/pierce have played well... noble, lamar, etc etc

Redskins_P · 11-03-2004, 12:47 PM

Offense

Brunell (unfortunately)
Portis
Thrash
Gardner
Coles
Cooley
Royal
Jansen
Thomas
Raymer

Defense

Griffin
Salave'a
Noble
Wynn?? (pretty nice contract, but hasn't really lived up to it)
Daniels
Washington
Arrington
Pierce
Marshall
Smoot
Springs
Taylor (if he can stop drinking & driving)
Bowen

MTK · 11-03-2004, 01:13 PM

McCants had 6 TD catches one year, wow let me hold back my enthusiasm. Not trying to be a jerk here but who cares? Isn't it all about what have you done for me lately? And lately the guy can't even make it to the active gameday roster. I don't think teams around the league are overly impressed with what he did last year compared to him riding the pine this year.

I'm not trying to dish on McCants, I like him but he isn't anything to get too excited over. And I can't see any other team giving up more than a very late round pick for him.

Daseal · 11-03-2004, 01:59 PM

If I remember correctly we also gave McCants a larger contract in the off-season. Money well spent.

11-03-2004, 03:24 AM	#1
bedlamVR Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 389	Real Redskins? Who do you guys think are definatly in Gibbs plans and standding out as real redskins? Mostly they seem to be oon defence. Smoooooot stands out but need to get his $$$$ this year he and Springs looks to be a great tandem. Wynn, Griffin, Pierce and Washington all look like long term players here. On offence Jansen obviously, Portis possibly but i am not sure about Rock, which is a shame, or Betts. Cooley looks like a Gibbs guy and was a Gibbs pick turning out okay so does Sellers and maybe Royal will show he can be the other TE outlasting Rasby and Baxter. Coles and Gardner look fine not outstanding but Gardner is really putting in a good year... is he coming upto a contract year? Thrash is definatly a Gibbs guy despite loosing us the game on Sunday and Jacobs looks like he could break into the line up soon with good work habit and excelent rout running . McCants though may be on his way and may have played his last game as a Redskin already. The biggest area of concern is QB he is standing behind Brunell, at least publically which is great but something tells me he is not convinced about any of the guys he has. It will be interesting to see what happens down the stretch. On special teams Morton, who i thought was a shoe in to be out of here in cap moves next year has shown excelent character, was showing some sparkle as the year went on and instead of going home to like his wounds once lost for the year has said he wants to come into Redskin park to help any way he can. Hall is okay but unfortunatly injured and Kickers in gerneral don't have much love if they suffer after comming back from injuries.

11-03-2004, 03:27 AM	#2
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Solid assessment. I would agree that the majority are gys on defense, including guys like Lott, Clark, Marshall. I believe Garnder's contract year is next year. He works hard. I think he's definitely a Gibbs guy. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-03-2004, 11:24 AM	#9
Drift Reality Impact Rookie Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 506	I think if they could get something for McCants, which they won't, they'd pull the trigger, but I think they may wait a year to see if Barrow can recover. Wynn has been playing very well this year but I'm not sure if he is a 5 million dollar player, which is what he gets. The fact that the cap hit wouldn't be huge if he was cut makes him a target. The Brunell contract sucks ass - there is no getting around it. If he had any decency, he would renegotiate his contract at the end of this year to make it MUCH smaller but that would never happen. Based on contracts, talent, and Gibbs-player qualities, here are our long term guys I think: Offense: Jansen, Portis, Coles, Cooley, ?? Defense: Smoot, Arrington, Griffin, Springs, Bowen, Washington, Wynn, Pierce. I think if Sean Taylor extracts his head from out of his ass, you can put him on that list also. Samuels is really questionable considering his huge cap number and his sub-pro bowl caliber play. Gardiner is sort of tough to figure. He has been playing well, but I'm just not sure if he is a Gibbs-type player. Finally, Ramsey is the big question mark. I am convinced that all this talk of Gibbs having no confidence in Ramsey being able to get it done is a bunch of bullshit. Ramsey is a young quarterback in a new system and Gibbs has NEVER put a guy in, in this situation unless he had no other choice. __________________ Drift Reality DC City Blog New Influencer

11-03-2004, 12:00 PM	#11
Drift Reality Impact Rookie Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 506	I agree with Matty 100% - he hasn't proven anything. You've got to remember there are 32 teams in this league and they all have guys with potential who we've never heard of. __________________ Drift Reality DC City Blog New Influencer

11-03-2004, 07:30 AM	#3
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	i think all the WRs except mccants are sticking around... they haven't had great years due mainly to bad QB play and a scheme that's only been sending out 2 guys in its initial going... barrow's toast at this rate, i think bowen (even though he still sucks in coverage), lavar are safe, in fact most of the D including its 2nd stringers... the oline may be completely different by next year (except for jansen)... they haven't been bad, but they haven't been good either. I don't really think he'll can the entire line, but there's 5 guys on that line right now that he could fire and i wouldn't be surprised or angry/questioning why... Portis, smoot and springs, imo are the safest... portis is great blocker (for an RB... he's super fast too, go watch the clip where he was 5 yards behind coles and was able to run past him and totally pancake a guy in his way), and portis can catch. betts? rock? mccants? those are three from last year that may be gone... gardner has improved 100% in the last few games... no drops and good catches... baxter is already gone again.

11-03-2004, 08:22 AM	#4
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	The sad thing is Barrow and McCants are rapidly losing trade value and they have might big contracts right now. Going to be hard to get anything for them! I hope we have enough free money to pay Smoot with that huge contract our QB has.

11-03-2004, 09:17 AM	#5
EEich The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bristol, CT Age: 60 Posts: 1,001	Didn't the trade deadline already pass?

11-03-2004, 09:18 AM	#6
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Im talking about when the season is over. We're going to want to unload them but their contracts are big for putting up goose-egg numbers.

11-03-2004, 09:29 AM	#7
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Yeah nobody is going to want to trade for Barrow or McCants.

11-03-2004, 11:01 AM	#8
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	miami or SF or chicago etc could use mccants... they'll be 2nd string/backup value though...

11-03-2004, 11:38 AM	#10
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	I think you guys are overestimating McCants' market value. Even if someone wanted to trade for him we're not going to get much in return. He hasn't shown much except that he's a guy with potential, and you can say that about a ton of guys around the league.

11-03-2004, 12:30 PM	#12
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	mccants does have 6 TDs in a season though as a number 3... gardner is a gibbs player btw, first in, last out at practice, etc etc... i think he and thrash stick around, and taylor will be here too... he has to be working hard to keep up with LC, DG, and JT... cause those three are all supposed to be workaholics. On D, i think they keep a lot of the 2nd string guys too... most of them have worked out pretty well... they seem high on ryan clark... warner/pierce have played well... noble, lamar, etc etc

11-03-2004, 12:47 PM	#13
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 46 Posts: 4,101	Offense Brunell (unfortunately) Portis Thrash Gardner Coles Cooley Royal Jansen Thomas Raymer Defense Griffin Salave'a Noble Wynn?? (pretty nice contract, but hasn't really lived up to it) Daniels Washington Arrington Pierce Marshall Smoot Springs Taylor (if he can stop drinking & driving) Bowen

11-03-2004, 01:13 PM	#14
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	McCants had 6 TD catches one year, wow let me hold back my enthusiasm. Not trying to be a jerk here but who cares? Isn't it all about what have you done for me lately? And lately the guy can't even make it to the active gameday roster. I don't think teams around the league are overly impressed with what he did last year compared to him riding the pine this year. I'm not trying to dish on McCants, I like him but he isn't anything to get too excited over. And I can't see any other team giving up more than a very late round pick for him.

11-03-2004, 01:59 PM	#15
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	If I remember correctly we also gave McCants a larger contract in the off-season. Money well spent.

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