Shutdown Cb?? Lmao

Hogskin · 10-26-2004, 05:05 PM

I've watched several Denver games this season, and Champ has NOT played well consistently. I have seen him make some excellent plays, but have seen him get beaten several times, also. Mostly, teams have not been throwing at him because of his reputation. BUT MARVIN LEWIS KNEW BETTER!!!! He went right after him.

Chad Johnson mopped up the field with Bailey. I kept thinking about the guys that were talking about how great Denver made out in that trade LOL!!!

The only "good" play I saw Bailey turn in was the interception. And regardless of what Madden said about the play to try to recover after all the accolades he had been giving Bailey, EVEN THAT was bad coverage. Clearly, Chad was in front of Champ, and completely open on the crossing pattern. All Champ was doing was leading from behind so he could make the tackle AFTER Chad caught the ball. But lucky, lucky Champ - Palmer led Chad so much he could not even get a fingertip on the ball when he dived forward. Just a very bad pass. Anything catchable, and it was a first down - AGAIN.

And for those of you that said "one bad game", you obviously have not seen all of Denver's games. As I said, he has looked very good at times, but has been totally inconsistent. JUST LIKE LAST YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great Trade, Gibbs!

MTK · 10-26-2004, 05:07 PM

http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=3452

Bergman14 · 10-26-2004, 05:29 PM

lets not forget, we gave up a second round choice, and they dont need a running back, they did win that trade

Gmanc711 · 10-26-2004, 05:35 PM

They won the trade, I agree with Bergman on that Point alone.

I think both sides have to be very happy with what they got out of the deal, thats for sure. I'm very happy with Portis and Springs and I dont really miss Champ at all.

SkinsRock · 10-26-2004, 05:49 PM

With the 2nd rounder, they may have won more, but neither team lost in the deal.

They have a great system that breeds RB's, but I think Portis is proving that he is great, regardless of the system. And Springs seems to be doing fine as the Redskins #24, not to mention how Fred "tough as nails" Smoot has stepped up on the other side!

Big C · 10-26-2004, 06:15 PM

what about the vikings and their system? robert smith, michael bennet, then moe williams, mewelde moore, and onterio smith...hmmm moore is a rookie 4th rounder and hes got a 5 ypc average, and smith did the same last year...also a 4th rounder...yet they never get mentioned

Duffman003 · 10-26-2004, 06:19 PM

Minnisota also has other weapons including one of the best wide reciever/quarterback tandems in the league so the other can't can't put 8 or 9 men in the box and Minnisota has a good offensive line.

SmootSmack · 10-26-2004, 06:31 PM

What about the Gibbs/Bugel system? Let's see they won Super Bowls with John Riggins, Timmy Smith, Earnest Byner...

Hogskin · 10-26-2004, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bergman14

lets not forget, we gave up a second round choice, and they dont need a running back, they did win that trade

#1 - It looks like it will be a GREAT trade for the Redskins. Do you really think our D would be decidedly better with Champ??? Remember, we play the Giants twice, and he has NEVER been able to stop their WR's from scoring TD's.

#2 - It is complete folley to say who "won" the trade. NO ONE will know that until the 6 months to 2 years from now. All we can say so far is that it appears to have helped the Redskins, and it "may" have helped Denver. Sure, after a couple failures, they found a back that looks like he may be consistent. Wait to see if anyone gets to 1500 yards and is able to keep the job. a lot of teams to go yet, and you can be sure they are preparing for Droughns' running style, just as they did for Griffin. Don't be so quick to declare him the next TD. Were any of you around for Timmy Smith's record-setting performance in the Super Bowl? He looked fantastic. Mighty short career after that.

#3 - As far as Denver being able to put "anyone" in that backfield, those days are gone. They left with Alex Gibbs. Don't be surprised to see Droughns' production drop dramatically in the next few weeks.

That Guy · 10-26-2004, 08:13 PM

i rather have smoot and springs based on attitude alone... see champ's post game comments? bleh...

Riggo44 · 10-26-2004, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by That Guy

i rather have smoot and springs based on attitude alone... see champ's post game comments? bleh...

I agree. I will take Smoot and Springs. With Portis at RB. Over Baliey and Smoot.With Betts and Candidet as our RB's any day! Portis will get better as our offense gets better. Portis has allready won 2 games this year for us. He has been the only thing going this year on offense! If you take him out of the mix we might be 0 & 6! :confused- Lets give Gibbs and the rest of the crew at least this year to get things right.
This weekend vs. Green Bay is going to be a turning point in the season. For better or worse.

10-26-2004, 05:35 PM	#4
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	They won the trade, I agree with Bergman on that Point alone. I think both sides have to be very happy with what they got out of the deal, thats for sure. I'm very happy with Portis and Springs and I dont really miss Champ at all. __________________ #21

10-26-2004, 06:15 PM	#6
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	what about the vikings and their system? robert smith, michael bennet, then moe williams, mewelde moore, and onterio smith...hmmm moore is a rookie 4th rounder and hes got a 5 ypc average, and smith did the same last year...also a 4th rounder...yet they never get mentioned __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

10-26-2004, 06:31 PM	#8
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	What about the Gibbs/Bugel system? Let's see they won Super Bowls with John Riggins, Timmy Smith, Earnest Byner... __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-26-2004, 05:05 PM	#1
Hogskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hartselle, Alabama Age: 83 Posts: 659	Shutdown Cb?? Lmao I've watched several Denver games this season, and Champ has NOT played well consistently. I have seen him make some excellent plays, but have seen him get beaten several times, also. Mostly, teams have not been throwing at him because of his reputation. BUT MARVIN LEWIS KNEW BETTER!!!! He went right after him. Chad Johnson mopped up the field with Bailey. I kept thinking about the guys that were talking about how great Denver made out in that trade LOL!!! The only "good" play I saw Bailey turn in was the interception. And regardless of what Madden said about the play to try to recover after all the accolades he had been giving Bailey, EVEN THAT was bad coverage. Clearly, Chad was in front of Champ, and completely open on the crossing pattern. All Champ was doing was leading from behind so he could make the tackle AFTER Chad caught the ball. But lucky, lucky Champ - Palmer led Chad so much he could not even get a fingertip on the ball when he dived forward. Just a very bad pass. Anything catchable, and it was a first down - AGAIN. And for those of you that said "one bad game", you obviously have not seen all of Denver's games. As I said, he has looked very good at times, but has been totally inconsistent. JUST LIKE LAST YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!! Great Trade, Gibbs! __________________ John Shaffer National Fantasy Sports Leagues, Inc. Home of "The BEST Game In Town" since 1990

10-26-2004, 05:07 PM	#2
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=3452

10-26-2004, 05:29 PM	#3
Bergman14 Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Winston-Salem Age: 41 Posts: 138	lets not forget, we gave up a second round choice, and they dont need a running back, they did win that trade

10-26-2004, 05:49 PM	#5
SkinsRock Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Crofton, MD Age: 55 Posts: 907	With the 2nd rounder, they may have won more, but neither team lost in the deal. They have a great system that breeds RB's, but I think Portis is proving that he is great, regardless of the system. And Springs seems to be doing fine as the Redskins #24, not to mention how Fred "tough as nails" Smoot has stepped up on the other side!

10-26-2004, 06:19 PM	#7
Duffman003 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 601	Minnisota also has other weapons including one of the best wide reciever/quarterback tandems in the league so the other can't can't put 8 or 9 men in the box and Minnisota has a good offensive line.

10-26-2004, 08:13 PM	#10
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	i rather have smoot and springs based on attitude alone... see champ's post game comments? bleh...

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