Washington Examiner: Ceratto and Zorn were almost fired together last season

Paintrain · 10-20-2009, 09:04 PM

Pretty scathing commentary about the Redskins from Rick Snider.. Rick Snider: Redskins' circus is full of clowns | Washington Examiner

One really interesting part of the article, that Snyder's dissatisfaction with the way the team is heading went back to last season:
-However, Cerrato wants Zorn to stay as his shield. Wasn’t Zorn chosen by Cerrato? Wasn’t Cerrato the one who drafted three lousy second-rounders last season who all appear busts?

Snyder will likely dismiss Cerrato come season’s end. After all, Snyder nearly fired both Zorn and Cerrato after last season.

If nothing else, this gives some hope that change is a coming. Snider may not have the name as some of the Times and Post guys but he had Cuter first and if I'm not mistaken, he was one of the first on Gibbs 2.0 as well. They guy is definitely connected at Redskins Park.

djnemo65 · 10-20-2009, 09:18 PM

It gives me optimism too to think there's a good chance there could be a major philosophical shift moving forward. Like a heroine addict who hit rock bottom, we could look back at this season in 10 years as the point when everything began to change for the better.

JoeRedskin · 10-20-2009, 09:18 PM

Is this just a rant? Or does Snider actually have something to back his assertions up with? Sure it sounds good and resonates among fans - but is it anything more than speculation??

tryfuhl · 10-20-2009, 09:22 PM

That's one guy's word.. I mean I'm sure Snyder was pissed but who knows

I'm surprised there haven't been public death threats to the guy yet

Hog1 · 10-20-2009, 11:10 PM

Don't tease me!!!!!

Lotus · 10-20-2009, 11:11 PM

To the extent that I hope this article is correct, I feel the giddy optimism appropriate for a fan for the first time in weeks.

rbanerjee23 · 10-20-2009, 11:24 PM

Really, Snyder would consider firing Cerrato for the good of the team? sounds unheard off

dgack · 10-20-2009, 11:29 PM

I don't see why anybody would find this news by itself exciting. This is classic bad manager syndrome, it's just that The Danny has finally had to move the ceiling of blame up a notch and it's cutting his Yes Man's head off. It still indicates that Snyder feels no responsibility for the team's problems, and it just makes Cerrato the fall guy for all of Danny's tinkering.

If he hires a real GM and gives him the authority to build a winner, then we can talk about optimism.

MTK · 10-20-2009, 11:31 PM

A true disaster of season like this is just what Snyder needs to finally wake the F up, can Vinny and get a real GM in here. Zorn was Vinny's hire, and he's had the last two drafts to officially call his own, this folks is Vinny's sinking ship.

skinsfaninok · 10-21-2009, 12:30 AM

Right on Matty! I bet cerrato and zorn are gone and shanahan comes in next season. Hell maybe as a hc and gm

Lotus · 10-21-2009, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dgack

I don't see why anybody would find this news by itself exciting. This is classic bad manager syndrome, it's just that The Danny has finally had to move the ceiling of blame up a notch and it's cutting his Yes Man's head off. It still indicates that Snyder feels no responsibility for the team's problems, and it just makes Cerrato the fall guy for all of Danny's tinkering.

If he hires a real GM and gives him the authority to build a winner, then we can talk about optimism.

Essentially I agree. But firing Vinny would be a big first step towards that hoped-for goal.

FRPLG · 10-21-2009, 12:46 AM

OK I made this argument in the past when the BS about hiring a "real GM" was always brought up. It isn't enough to just hire a GM, the guy has to be good at it...otherwise you might as well just have Snyder be the actual GM. I only bring this up now because Snyder finally did hire a GM. Cerrato. He hasn't had the authority until just the last few years and he's obviously average at best and made some serious mistakes. Now we expect Snyder to go from not having a real GM, to finally hiring one and having it blow in his face, to firing that guy and hiring the absolute right GM? No chance. I am a Snyder apologist but even I can see Snyder's biggest problem is admitting he isn't very good at this from an execution standpoint. He's gonna bag himself another patsy or two to run this how he likes to run it. I hate Sally Jenkins but her quote about Snyder prefering to RUN a mediocre team rather than sit back and simply own a good team is right on.

The Goat · 10-21-2009, 01:03 AM

I mean it should be obvious terminating Cerrato is only half the task required to turning the Redskins ship around. The other half is Snyder completely turning the staff and roster over to the best GM willing to work for him...

...and I still say it's extremely unlikely to happen. Snyder prefers another toady GM and big name coach. I'll be shocked if a great coach works for him any time soon, so I expect him to settle for another toady GM and whoever will take the HC position.

sportscurmudgeon · 10-21-2009, 09:52 AM

Every year, Lucy would promise not to pull the football away from Charlie Brown. But she always did. It didn't matter how much Charlie Brown hoped and believed that she would not.

Now some folks here have hopes that Danny Boy is going to go through a total change of heart in the way he runs his franchise.

It could happen. But until it does, I am not going to race up and try to kick that football...

Memo to Danny Boy: Just do it!

freddyg12 · 10-21-2009, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Every year, Lucy would promise not to pull the football away from Charlie Brown. But she always did. It didn't matter how much Charlie Brown hoped and believed that she would not.

Now some folks here have hopes that Danny Boy is going to go through a total change of heart in the way he runs his franchise.

It could happen. But until it does, I am not going to race up and try to kick that football...

Memo to Danny Boy: Just do it!

Good summary of what a lot of us fans are hoping for. Like JLC of the post has said, every summer DS says he's "learned" from his mistakes, yet we still see the huge fa signings, consultant bingo caller, etc.

Given the way this year is going, the fans are just not showing up at fedex. I wonder how much this year will hurt operating revenue? I wonder at what point the Danny, as a biz man, will realize that the team's monetary value has maxed out for a while & it's actually on a decline? Would he sell if it comes to that?

If Forbes drops that $1.6 billion no. I expect to see him do something.

10-20-2009, 09:04 PM	#1
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	Washington Examiner: Ceratto and Zorn were almost fired together last season Pretty scathing commentary about the Redskins from Rick Snider.. Rick Snider: Redskins' circus is full of clowns \| Washington Examiner One really interesting part of the article, that Snyder's dissatisfaction with the way the team is heading went back to last season: -However, Cerrato wants Zorn to stay as his shield. Wasn’t Zorn chosen by Cerrato? Wasn’t Cerrato the one who drafted three lousy second-rounders last season who all appear busts? Snyder will likely dismiss Cerrato come season’s end. After all, Snyder nearly fired both Zorn and Cerrato after last season. If nothing else, this gives some hope that change is a coming. Snider may not have the name as some of the Times and Post guys but he had Cuter first and if I'm not mistaken, he was one of the first on Gibbs 2.0 as well. They guy is definitely connected at Redskins Park. __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

10-20-2009, 09:18 PM	#2
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	Re: Washington Examiner: Ceratto and Zorn were almost fired together last season It gives me optimism too to think there's a good chance there could be a major philosophical shift moving forward. Like a heroine addict who hit rock bottom, we could look back at this season in 10 years as the point when everything began to change for the better.

10-20-2009, 09:18 PM	#3
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Re: Washington Examiner: Ceratto and Zorn were almost fired together last season Is this just a rant? Or does Snider actually have something to back his assertions up with? Sure it sounds good and resonates among fans - but is it anything more than speculation?? __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

10-20-2009, 09:22 PM	#4
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Age: 41 Posts: 12,514	Re: Washington Examiner: Ceratto and Zorn were almost fired together last season That's one guy's word.. I mean I'm sure Snyder was pissed but who knows I'm surprised there haven't been public death threats to the guy yet

10-20-2009, 11:10 PM	#5
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Washington Examiner: Ceratto and Zorn were almost fired together last season Don't tease me!!!!! __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

10-20-2009, 11:11 PM	#6
Lotus Fire Bruce NOW Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 11,434	Re: Washington Examiner: Ceratto and Zorn were almost fired together last season To the extent that I hope this article is correct, I feel the giddy optimism appropriate for a fan for the first time in weeks. __________________ Bruce Allen when in charge alone: 4-12 (.250) Bruce Allen's overall Redskins record : 28-52 (.350) Vinny Cerrato's record when in charge alone: 52-65 (.444) Vinny's overall Redskins record: 62-82 (.430) We won more with Vinny

10-20-2009, 11:24 PM	#7
rbanerjee23 The Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,440	Re: Washington Examiner: Ceratto and Zorn were almost fired together last season Really, Snyder would consider firing Cerrato for the good of the team? sounds unheard off __________________ "Tough times don't last but tough people do" -Mike Shanahan HTTR

10-20-2009, 11:29 PM	#8
dgack The Starter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The ATX (formerly Balmer) Posts: 1,125	Re: Washington Examiner: Ceratto and Zorn were almost fired together last season I don't see why anybody would find this news by itself exciting. This is classic bad manager syndrome, it's just that The Danny has finally had to move the ceiling of blame up a notch and it's cutting his Yes Man's head off. It still indicates that Snyder feels no responsibility for the team's problems, and it just makes Cerrato the fall guy for all of Danny's tinkering. If he hires a real GM and gives him the authority to build a winner, then we can talk about optimism. __________________ "To bring a Sherm Lewis in to a Jim Zorn and whoever his offensive coordinator is, it's like bringing in another man to help teach you how to make better love to your wife or something." -- Tre Johnson

10-20-2009, 11:31 PM	#9
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,686	Re: Washington Examiner: Ceratto and Zorn were almost fired together last season A true disaster of season like this is just what Snyder needs to finally wake the F up, can Vinny and get a real GM in here. Zorn was Vinny's hire, and he's had the last two drafts to officially call his own, this folks is Vinny's sinking ship. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

10-21-2009, 12:30 AM	#10
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 38 Posts: 36,171	Re: Washington Examiner: Ceratto and Zorn were almost fired together last season Right on Matty! I bet cerrato and zorn are gone and shanahan comes in next season. Hell maybe as a hc and gm __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

10-21-2009, 12:46 AM	#12
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Washington Examiner: Ceratto and Zorn were almost fired together last season OK I made this argument in the past when the BS about hiring a "real GM" was always brought up. It isn't enough to just hire a GM, the guy has to be good at it...otherwise you might as well just have Snyder be the actual GM. I only bring this up now because Snyder finally did hire a GM. Cerrato. He hasn't had the authority until just the last few years and he's obviously average at best and made some serious mistakes. Now we expect Snyder to go from not having a real GM, to finally hiring one and having it blow in his face, to firing that guy and hiring the absolute right GM? No chance. I am a Snyder apologist but even I can see Snyder's biggest problem is admitting he isn't very good at this from an execution standpoint. He's gonna bag himself another patsy or two to run this how he likes to run it. I hate Sally Jenkins but her quote about Snyder prefering to RUN a mediocre team rather than sit back and simply own a good team is right on.

10-21-2009, 01:03 AM	#13
The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,662	Re: Washington Examiner: Ceratto and Zorn were almost fired together last season I mean it should be obvious terminating Cerrato is only half the task required to turning the Redskins ship around. The other half is Snyder completely turning the staff and roster over to the best GM willing to work for him... ...and I still say it's extremely unlikely to happen. Snyder prefers another toady GM and big name coach. I'll be shocked if a great coach works for him any time soon, so I expect him to settle for another toady GM and whoever will take the HC position. __________________ 24-34

10-21-2009, 09:52 AM	#14
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Washington Examiner: Ceratto and Zorn were almost fired together last season Every year, Lucy would promise not to pull the football away from Charlie Brown. But she always did. It didn't matter how much Charlie Brown hoped and believed that she would not. Now some folks here have hopes that Danny Boy is going to go through a total change of heart in the way he runs his franchise. It could happen. But until it does, I am not going to race up and try to kick that football... Memo to Danny Boy: Just do it! __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

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