The Myth of "It's all [insert QB's name here] Fault!"

dgack · 10-19-2009, 01:43 PM

(Post removed on account of the fact that it contained statistics and observations, rather than screaming and yelling.)

"Jason Campbell, Jim Zorn, Vinny Cerratto and Dan Snyder SUCK!!!!"

dgack · 10-19-2009, 01:51 PM

By the way, our average seasonal team passer rating over the past 20 years is 77.4, while the average passer rating allowed by our opponents is 74.96.

53Fan · 10-19-2009, 01:57 PM

It's more than the QB. Look at Marino, it's a team sport and there is no way of getting around that. Our o-line is patchwork and our running game is nil. Our receivers are short of spectacular to say the least.

GhettoDogAllStars · 10-19-2009, 01:59 PM

Awesome. Good points and very well formatted.

I especially agree with the comment about overlaying the offensive line age, and probably other OL stats as well.

I think our main problem with scoring is rushing. I know we've had decent rushing in years past, but for several years I have not been absolutely confident we can gain a yard or two when we need it most (i.e.: 3rd down/goaline).

GTripp0012 · 10-19-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Awesome. Good points and very well formatted.

I especially agree with the comment about overlaying the offensive line age, and probably other OL stats as well.

I think our main problem with scoring is rushing. I know we've had decent rushing in years past, but for several years I have not been absolutely confident we can gain a yard or two when we need it most (i.e.: 3rd down/goaline).

Bingo. When we had a running game over the past six years, points have come easily. When we haven't, they haven't come at all.

We've been committed to running the ball, and so when it hasn't been there for us, we've just wasted a lot of plays and failed to score points.

Chico23231 · 10-19-2009, 02:16 PM

Dont need stats to see the its the entires offense sux. That means everybody. JC has does nothing to deserve an extention, so he is gone. The Oline is the worst in the league. The receivers are just horrible. The RBs suck and Portis has taken a major step back. If he hasnt, then he is not showing any effort, so he should be gone regardless. Zorn is an aweful playcaller. Bye everybody, nobody deserves a spot next year except maybe Cooley. I wont miss anybody on this offense when they are backing up people next year. Blow the whole thing up.

firstdown · 10-19-2009, 02:23 PM

Well you can look at all the number you want between the 20's it the ones in the red zone that win or loose games. I blame the whole O right now but the captain (JC) will also go down with this sinking ship.

mcarey032 · 10-19-2009, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

Dont need stats to see the its the entires offense sux. That means everybody. JC has does nothing to deserve an extention, so he is gone. The Oline is the worst in the league. The receivers are just horrible. The RBs suck and Portis has taken a major step back. If he hasnt, then he is not showing any effort, so he should be gone regardless. Zorn is an aweful playcaller. Bye everybody, nobody deserves a spot next year except maybe Cooley. I wont miss anybody on this offense when they are backing up people next year. Blow the whole thing up.

Amen! I couldn't agree with you more.

dgack · 10-19-2009, 02:42 PM

Just so it's clear, the point of digging all this crap up wasn't to confirm the sky is falling. If anything, it's the opposite. Everyone is convinced this team is so horrible, but I don't think it really is. It's eerily on-par with Zorn's famous saying, "stay medium". This team is very medium.

Thing is, in the past, we haven't needed to be much better than medium in the passing department to make the playoffs.

The question is, how long does it take to "fix" a broken down-RB and over-the-hill O-Line? 3 years? 4?

GTripp0012 · 10-19-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dgack

Just so it's clear, the point of digging all this crap up wasn't to confirm the sky is falling. If anything, it's the opposite. Everyone is convinced this team is so horrible, but I don't think it really is. It's eerily on-par with Zorn's famous saying, "stay medium". This team is very medium.

Thing is, in the past, we haven't needed to be much better than medium in the passing department to make the playoffs.

The question is, how long does it take to "fix" a broken down-RB and over-the-hill O-Line? 3 years? 4?

If there's no cap, you could do it in one. Draft a franchise LT, sign a Center, use the second round pick on a RB, draft another Center in the middle rounds, and bring in a free agent to backup LT.

Your OL looks like this next year: Russell Okung/Dockery/FA Center/Rinehart/Heyer.

Which would probably fix whatever ails the running game.

Such a committment, however, would put the passing game on the backburner, and I'm not sure Daniel Snyder would be willing to do that.

jsarno · 10-19-2009, 02:56 PM

Great post dgack.
However, keep in mind, most of us are VERY aware of the other problems some of which have been mentioned here. While I do think Campbell is a problem and have been vocal about it, I have been more vocal about what a horrible coach Zorn is.

Chico23231 · 10-19-2009, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dgack

Just so it's clear, the point of digging all this crap up wasn't to confirm the sky is falling. If anything, it's the opposite. Everyone is convinced this team is so horrible, but I don't think it really is. It's eerily on-par with Zorn's famous saying, "stay medium". This team is very medium.

Thing is, in the past, we haven't needed to be much better than medium in the passing department to make the playoffs.

The question is, how long does it take to "fix" a broken down-RB and over-the-hill O-Line? 3 years? 4?

I would agree 3 or 4 years, so lets get started. Yes we need 3 starters on the O-line. We need at least 2 new RBs, getting rid of Portis and one of the others. Receivers, bye ARE, we need an upgrade there; lets face it, that is an f-ing mess no one talks enough about over the last 10 years. So we are looking at a potential 5 new starters on offense. Now lets talk about QB. JC good bye, like it or not he will not be back....and personally he doesnt deserve to be. 6 new starters. We can do that over several years no problem. BUT do it through the draft and 1 or 2 intelligent, thought-out free agents. And GTripp, Heyer and Reinhart are not the future on the right side of the line (thank god).

Defensewins · 10-19-2009, 03:26 PM

dgack,
It is clear Campbell is not the sole person at fault here. More of the fault lies with the serious lack of a running game and an old and under performing O-line.
But reading the stats alone is very misleading.
In Zorn's offense Campbell throws mostly short/high percentage passes in the flats and WR screens. How many times have we had 3rd and 10 and Campbell completes a short pass and we get stopped on downs? That is going to look good on Campbell's stats as a completed pass and positive yards, but the result is failure for the team and winning.
I like Campbell, but he has yet to show he is a franchise qb.
Campbell does not connect on the long ball very often.
The stats also don't show he is slow in his decision making. That he sometimes locks on to his primary receiver with his eyes and is not known for looking off safety's.
His foot work is still sloppy, especially when he is throwing to his left, he seems to look uncoordinated when setting up to throw to his left.
I think is good that you bring up that Campbell is not the main culprit in all of this.

Bucket · 10-19-2009, 03:38 PM

How difficult is it t comple passes when yor WR's are tiny and jammed at the line? Then you big WR's are slow and suck at running routes?

Yeah.. It's pretty diffcult.

dgack · 10-19-2009, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defensewins

dgack,
But reading the stats alone is very misleading.
In Zorn's offense Campbell throws mostly short/high percentage passes in the flats and WR screens. How many times have we had 3rd and 10 and Campbell completes a short pass and we get stopped on downs? That is going to look good on Campbell's stats as a completed pass and positive yards, but the result is failure for the team and winning.

I don't think it's misleading at all, because our scoring offense is still abysmal (which I pointed out).

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

I like Campbell, but he has yet to show he is a franchise qb.

Oh, I agree. The point I was making was that we historically haven't and should not NEED a franchise QB to win games playing "Redskin football".

It's funny, so many people were sick to death of "Old Man Joe" and "conservative playcalling" and "oh god, he's not going to try to run it up the gut again, is he??" but that's exactly what we are missing right now.

10-19-2009, 01:43 PM	#1
dgack The Starter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The ATX (formerly Balmer) Posts: 1,125	The Myth of "It's all [insert QB's name here] Fault!" (Post removed on account of the fact that it contained statistics and observations, rather than screaming and yelling.) "Jason Campbell, Jim Zorn, Vinny Cerratto and Dan Snyder SUCK!!!!" __________________ "To bring a Sherm Lewis in to a Jim Zorn and whoever his offensive coordinator is, it's like bringing in another man to help teach you how to make better love to your wife or something." -- Tre Johnson Last edited by dgack; 10-19-2009 at 07:14 PM.

10-19-2009, 01:51 PM	#2
dgack The Starter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The ATX (formerly Balmer) Posts: 1,125	Re: The Myth of "It's all [insert QB's name here] Fault!" By the way, our average seasonal team passer rating over the past 20 years is 77.4, while the average passer rating allowed by our opponents is 74.96. __________________ "To bring a Sherm Lewis in to a Jim Zorn and whoever his offensive coordinator is, it's like bringing in another man to help teach you how to make better love to your wife or something." -- Tre Johnson

10-19-2009, 01:57 PM	#3
53Fan Franchise Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,570	Re: The Myth of "It's all [insert QB's name here] Fault!" It's more than the QB. Look at Marino, it's a team sport and there is no way of getting around that. Our o-line is patchwork and our running game is nil. Our receivers are short of spectacular to say the least. __________________ Defense wins championships. Bring it!

10-19-2009, 01:59 PM	#4
GhettoDogAllStars Playmaker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Age: 42 Posts: 2,762	Re: The Myth of "It's all [insert QB's name here] Fault!" Awesome. Good points and very well formatted. I especially agree with the comment about overlaying the offensive line age, and probably other OL stats as well. I think our main problem with scoring is rushing. I know we've had decent rushing in years past, but for several years I have not been absolutely confident we can gain a yard or two when we need it most (i.e.: 3rd down/goaline). __________________ To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered.

10-19-2009, 02:16 PM	#6
Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 34,417	Re: The Myth of "It's all [insert QB's name here] Fault!" Dont need stats to see the its the entires offense sux. That means everybody. JC has does nothing to deserve an extention, so he is gone. The Oline is the worst in the league. The receivers are just horrible. The RBs suck and Portis has taken a major step back. If he hasnt, then he is not showing any effort, so he should be gone regardless. Zorn is an aweful playcaller. Bye everybody, nobody deserves a spot next year except maybe Cooley. I wont miss anybody on this offense when they are backing up people next year. Blow the whole thing up.

10-19-2009, 02:23 PM	#7
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 60 Posts: 15,817	Re: The Myth of "It's all [insert QB's name here] Fault!" Well you can look at all the number you want between the 20's it the ones in the red zone that win or loose games. I blame the whole O right now but the captain (JC) will also go down with this sinking ship.

10-19-2009, 02:42 PM	#9
dgack The Starter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The ATX (formerly Balmer) Posts: 1,125	Re: The Myth of "It's all [insert QB's name here] Fault!" Just so it's clear, the point of digging all this crap up wasn't to confirm the sky is falling. If anything, it's the opposite. Everyone is convinced this team is so horrible, but I don't think it really is. It's eerily on-par with Zorn's famous saying, "stay medium". This team is very medium. Thing is, in the past, we haven't needed to be much better than medium in the passing department to make the playoffs. The question is, how long does it take to "fix" a broken down-RB and over-the-hill O-Line? 3 years? 4? __________________ "To bring a Sherm Lewis in to a Jim Zorn and whoever his offensive coordinator is, it's like bringing in another man to help teach you how to make better love to your wife or something." -- Tre Johnson

10-19-2009, 02:56 PM	#11
jsarno Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 31 Spooner St. Age: 49 Posts: 9,534	Re: The Myth of "It's all [insert QB's name here] Fault!" Great post dgack. However, keep in mind, most of us are VERY aware of the other problems some of which have been mentioned here. While I do think Campbell is a problem and have been vocal about it, I have been more vocal about what a horrible coach Zorn is. __________________ Zoltan is ZESTY! - courtesy of joeredskin

10-19-2009, 03:26 PM	#13
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,749	Re: The Myth of "It's all [insert QB's name here] Fault!" dgack, It is clear Campbell is not the sole person at fault here. More of the fault lies with the serious lack of a running game and an old and under performing O-line. But reading the stats alone is very misleading. In Zorn's offense Campbell throws mostly short/high percentage passes in the flats and WR screens. How many times have we had 3rd and 10 and Campbell completes a short pass and we get stopped on downs? That is going to look good on Campbell's stats as a completed pass and positive yards, but the result is failure for the team and winning. I like Campbell, but he has yet to show he is a franchise qb. Campbell does not connect on the long ball very often. The stats also don't show he is slow in his decision making. That he sometimes locks on to his primary receiver with his eyes and is not known for looking off safety's. His foot work is still sloppy, especially when he is throwing to his left, he seems to look uncoordinated when setting up to throw to his left. I think is good that you bring up that Campbell is not the main culprit in all of this.

10-19-2009, 03:38 PM	#14
Bucket Playmaker Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Martinsburg, WV Posts: 3,881	Re: The Myth of "It's all [insert QB's name here] Fault!" How difficult is it t comple passes when yor WR's are tiny and jammed at the line? Then you big WR's are slow and suck at running routes? Yeah.. It's pretty diffcult.

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