Best or Worst 2009 Draft moves...?

[redskingrove]

There have been several rumors about the rumor mill for the Redskins draft strategy. Give your opinion as to why it would be a good move or not.

1. Scenario 1: Redskins trade 1st, 3rd, and 6th round picks with Cleveland to move up to the 5th overall pick.

2. Scenario 2: Redskins stay put with all their picks and hope the impact players they need fall to them.

3. Scenario 3: Redskins trade down to gain extra picks and go for mid level draft picks.

* Given the above scenarios, add in who you believe the Redskins should target in each scenario to give your opinion "teeth".

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by redskingrove

There have been several rumors about the rumor mill for the Redskins draft strategy. Give your opinion as to why it would be a good move or not.

1. Scenario 1: Redskins trade 1st, 3rd, and 6th round picks with Cleveland to move up to the 5th overall pick.

2. Scenario 2: Redskins stay put with all their picks and hope the impact players they need fall to them.

3. Scenario 3: Redskins trade down to gain extra picks and go for mid level draft picks.

* Given the above scenarios, add in who you believe the Redskins should target in each scenario to give your opinion "teeth".

Scenario 1: Does nothing for us. Even if Sanchez fell in our lap at #5 and he's the guy we took that's a lot to give up for someone who might be a franchise QB one day.

Scenario 2: The most likely, although we may be able to add some 2-4 rounders with some trades. But if we stay as is. I would take Oher or A. Smith at #13 assuming one of them is available. If not I look to Orakpo next. I'd be surprised if all three are gone. In the 3rd round, depending on what happens in the first I would look to getting a RB quite honestly. 5th round, Edwin Williams, 7th round-whatever's left

Scenario 3: The most ideal. trade down and get something like Clay Matthews and Andy Levitre. I'd be down for that

[Soup's Uncle]

Scenario 1 makes me want to kill myself.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by redskingrove

There have been several rumors about the rumor mill for the Redskins draft strategy. Give your opinion as to why it would be a good move or not.

1. Scenario 1: Redskins trade 1st, 3rd, and 6th round picks with Cleveland to move up to the 5th overall pick.

2. Scenario 2: Redskins stay put with all their picks and hope the impact players they need fall to them.

3. Scenario 3: Redskins trade down to gain extra picks and go for mid level draft picks.

* Given the above scenarios, add in who you believe the Redskins should target in each scenario to give your opinion "teeth".

1. Bad idea. We have too many holes to fill. We need several solid players, not one great one.

2. Not my favorite scenario but I would not mind too much if we took the BPA in terms of OT, SLB, or DE. Orakpo, Ayers, Oher, or maybe Matthews would work (although 13 is high for Matthews). If Raji were still on the board I'd like him as BPA regardless of position.

3. My favorite scenario. Same idea: BPA at OT, SLB, or DE. Britton, Beatty, Matthews, Sidbury, even take Mack, Levitre, or Duke Robinson even though they don't meet my listed positions, depending on how far we traded down, what picks we got, who's left, etc.

[Soup's Uncle]

What happens if BPA is a wideout? Does Vinny stand by his word and draft Crabtree (I'm not saying he'll fall) but what if he does? That'd be a disaster by staying at 13 and doing that.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

I'll play your game, you rogue.

1) Who says we would automatically take Sanchez if we moved up to this spot? This could actually be an interesting move if the right players are available. Move up and grab one of the top OTs, probably Monroe, or if by some magical chance he's not already gone Aaron Curry.

2) Not as dumb as trading up, not as great as moving down. Take the BPA who suits a major need for the team. I would hope that it's Brian Orakpo or Andre Smith.

3) The best option if it was possible. Take the BPA available, and then stock up on lineman and LBs with the rest of the picks. Maybe look to a RB or CB in the middle rounds.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Lotus:

I have to disagree with your analysis of Scenario 1. IF - I said IF - Sanchez is/becomes a great QB, then this move would ultimately be a brilliant move. When Peyton Manning joined the Colts, they had more holes in that squad than the current Skins do. But over time, the team became a perennial playoff team because they had a GREAT QB.

So the issue is whether or not Sanchez will be a great QB - - because that is the only way that Scenario 1 makes even a shred of sense.

For the record, I would not make that deal. I think Sanchez excelled in a program where just about every player on the USC side of the ball was better than the guy who lined up against him in the "other colored jersey". It would be difficult for a QB not to look good under those circumstances.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Lotus:

I have to disagree with your analysis of Scenario 1. IF - I said IF - Sanchez is/becomes a great QB, then this move would ultimately be a brilliant move. When Peyton Manning joined the Colts, they had more holes in that squad than the current Skins do. But over time, the team became a perennial playoff team because they had a GREAT QB.

So the issue is whether or not Sanchez will be a great QB - - because that is the only way that Scenario 1 makes even a shred of sense.

For the record, I would not make that deal. I think Sanchez excelled in a program where just about every player on the USC side of the ball was better than the guy who lined up against him in the "other colored jersey". It would be difficult for a QB not to look good under those circumstances.

I agree completely. My comments were based on the thinking that Sanchez is not the next Peyton Manning.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Soup's Uncle

What happens if BPA is a wideout? Does Vinny stand by his word and draft Crabtree (I'm not saying he'll fall) but what if he does? That'd be a disaster by staying at 13 and doing that.

Good question. Personally I'd draw a line here and take the BPA at a position more of need than WR. In light of my comments above, I see C, G, and even DT (Griff's getting older) as greater positions of need than WR. Of course, who knows what Vinny would do.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Lotus:

I have to disagree with your analysis of Scenario 1. IF - I said IF - Sanchez is/becomes a great QB, then this move would ultimately be a brilliant move. When Peyton Manning joined the Colts, they had more holes in that squad than the current Skins do. But over time, the team became a perennial playoff team because they had a GREAT QB.

So the issue is whether or not Sanchez will be a great QB - - because that is the only way that Scenario 1 makes even a shred of sense.

For the record, I would not make that deal. I think Sanchez excelled in a program where just about every player on the USC side of the ball was better than the guy who lined up against him in the "other colored jersey". It would be difficult for a QB not to look good under those circumstances.

But did the Colts have to trade up to get Peyton? I know the Chargers traded up for Leaf

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by redskingrove

There have been several rumors about the rumor mill for the Redskins draft strategy. Give your opinion as to why it would be a good move or not.

1. Scenario 1: Redskins trade 1st, 3rd, and 6th round picks with Cleveland to move up to the 5th overall pick.

2. Scenario 2: Redskins stay put with all their picks and hope the impact players they need fall to them.

3. Scenario 3: Redskins trade down to gain extra picks and go for mid level draft picks.

* Given the above scenarios, add in who you believe the Redskins should target in each scenario to give your opinion "teeth".

Good thread.

1) I would really hope that this situation would only arise out of the ability to land either Aaron Curry or Jason Smith. Those are the only two players I would want at No. 5. I think both those guys are risk free prospects, but I'm not sure they'll be good enough to not add another player in this draft for. Ultimately not a great decision.

2) If Orakpo falls to No. 13, fantastic, that's a near-best case scenario. If Raji or Crabtree falls, so much the better. 13 is usually a pretty good spot if you are picking BPA, because someone who was projected in the top eight or so almost always falls out. However, this year, it's not a top eight as much as it's a top four. So 13 loses a lot of it's value this year. Michael Oher would be the best offensive lineman we could land here, but at 13, even a guy like Sanchez or Moreno wouldn't be a terrible pick. We could do much, much better though.

3) If we can trade down, we have no reason not to. The bottom of the round has some sure things in it, and we can look to land one of them: Alex Mack for instance, Eric Wood maybe, or some sort of defensive help like Clay Matthews, Larry English, or Everette Brown, or a RB (Moreno or LeSean McCoy, who I absoultely love). Depending on how far down we can get, a DT like Peria Jerry or Ziggy Hood, or a CB like Sean Smith, Alphonzo Smith, or Darius Butler, could make a nice choice. This is obviously the ideal situation, even if it's the most unlikely.

[jsarno]

Out of the options I'd go with #3. That's the best case scenario! #1 SUCKS. #2 is acceptable, #3 is ideal.

That being said, I don't think we have a shot at either Sanchez or Orakpo. I think the Seahawks will take Sanchez at #4. Orakpo will not fall beyond #10.

[Soup's Uncle]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Good question. Personally I'd draw a line here and take the BPA at a position more of need than WR. In light of my comments above, I see C, G, and even DT (Griff's getting older) as greater positions of need than WR. Of course, who knows what Vinny would do.

Exactly...dude is nutz

[T.O.Killa]

Had the Reskins picked the best player available according to draft scout, would go as follows:1st round
2005 Derrick Johnson olb Good PIck
2006 Winston Justice OT(So Far Bust) Bad Pick
2007 Adrian Peterson RD(Awsome) Great Pick
2008 Devin Thomas(No Trade Down) To Be Determined
2009 Michael Oher (13th best)

Could try to do other rounds but not 100% ACCURATE.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Soup's Uncle

What happens if BPA is a wideout? Does Vinny stand by his word and draft Crabtree (I'm not saying he'll fall) but what if he does? That'd be a disaster by staying at 13 and doing that.

[Sarcasm alert]

The smokescreen - we want Sanchez, trade with us so we can get Sanchez

Vinnie's real plan - tell DS we are trading for Sanchez, JZ we are trading to get Smith, either one, and then as the seconds tick away, he slips the paper selecting:
Crabtree at the number 4 spot
We are done for the weekend

[/sarcasm