Is paying Jason Taylor $8.5M the best use of salary cap dollars?

KI Skins Fan · 03-02-2009, 10:15 AM

Basically, we're renting JT for one more season at $8.5M. If we don't go deep into the playoffs this season with JT as a key contributor, then that $8.5M will have been wasted.

On the other hand, if that same cap room were to be used on a couple of good young players at positions of need we may still get to the playoffs and we'll be building on our foundation for the future. We may even be able to trade JT for a draft pick. Tampa Bay, with about a zillion dollars in cap room, comes to mind as a possible trading partner.

For one thing, we need a solid RT. I don't know what the plan is to fix that position but if the plan is to hand it to a rookie, then it's a bad one because that's just too risky. Maybe the plan is to rent a Tra Thomas or Marc Colombo for a year. That would probably work. But wouldn't it be a better idea to sign Ray Willis who is an up and coming RT and is only 27 years old?

Also, with the cap room we save we should be able to bring back Demetric Evans, 29, who is a solid player at DE. What's wrong with giving Evans a nice raise and a promise that he will be the starter? He's earned it and he'll do a good job.

We may even be able to pick a FA SLB to help us out.

If we were to do all of these things, then we would have the freedom to draft the best available player, regardless of position, with each and every one of our draft picks. That should strengthen our team even more.

So here are the choices as I see them:

Jason Taylor

or

Ray Willis,
Demetric Evans,
Journeyman LB, and
Draft Pick

What are your thoughts on this topic?

TheBloodSkin · 03-02-2009, 10:30 AM

Looking at the situationn as it is, it has become clear to me that there was an agreement made when JT was signed that if JT commits for two seasons he would earn all the money left on his contrat. This has to be why The FO would not use that money in some other way. Either way, it is cleared off the books next season.

Paintrain · 03-02-2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBloodSkin

Looking at the situationn as it is, it has become clear to me that there was an agreement made when JT was signed that if JT commits for two seasons he would earn all the money left on his contrat. This has to be why The FO would not use that money in some other way. Either way, it is cleared off the books next season.

Exactly. It's been debated about whether he's worth it or not, for some he never will be because he had a terrible '08 and cost us a draft pick while others are willing to see it play out with the '09 defense. His number is off the books in '10 so cap or not we will have that money free rather than tied up in other players.

freddyg12 · 03-02-2009, 10:39 AM

No. But it looks like that's not on the table so far.

Keeping him seems to smack of face saving on vinny/danny's part. Awfully expensive acquisition when you combine salary + a 2nd round pick. I will admit that at the time I liked the trade, yet a 2nd round pick these days is pretty high. Cassell was just traded for a 2nd rounder & he may be a franchise qb. Granted, it was an early 2nd.

Looks like Evans is gone no matter what. Maybe he could sign here for vet min. if he's desparate, but they've already given his # to AH.

KI Skins Fan · 03-02-2009, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBloodSkin

Looking at the situationn as it is, it has become clear to me that there was an agreement made when JT was signed that if JT commits for two seasons he would earn all the money left on his contrat. This has to be why The FO would not use that money in some other way. Either way, it is cleared off the books next season.

He would still get all the money if he were traded.

cdskins26 · 03-02-2009, 10:46 AM

I would keep him around for another year. You cant expect all the injuries and he still is a great player. He finally looked like he did in Miami in the game against Philly (second one) and if we can get that next year every game, he deserves to stay.

MTK · 03-02-2009, 10:48 AM

Re-working his deal still isn't out of the question.

Pocket$ $traight · 03-02-2009, 10:53 AM

Well looking at Canty's deal, I don't think that $8.5 for Jason Taylor is that bad. Also, you mentioned Evans and a journeyman linebacker. Do you really think that the team is better off with those parts than a healthy Jason Taylor?

Plus, I think that Willis is going to sign a big deal so I am not convinced they could sign him, Evans and an LB.

We have four draft picks including the 13th pick. If we cannot find a couple of starters in our draft, we will never be a contender. The draft has to be productive.

So Jason Taylor has a low sack total but plays through two potential season ending injuries and the team would be better served with a part time lineman and a journeyman linebacker? I think he deserves a little more credit than that.

freddyg12 · 03-02-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBloodSkin

Looking at the situationn as it is, it has become clear to me that there was an agreement made when JT was signed that if JT commits for two seasons he would earn all the money left on his contrat. This has to be why The FO would not use that money in some other way. Either way, it is cleared off the books next season.

Agreed. As Matty said, reworking his deal isn't out of the question, but if we assume your logic is correct, it's only likely if he still gets his $8.5 in full. If he's going to be here, I sure hope they don't restructure w/him just to push his cap #s to future years.

Paintrain · 03-02-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Re-working his deal still isn't out of the question.

Can they convert his salary into a bonus and use that for cap room to sign a RT like Willis?

SC Skins Fan · 03-02-2009, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Basically, we're renting JT for one more season at $8.5M. If we don't go deep into the playoffs this season with JT as a key contributor, then that $8.5M will have been wasted.

On the other hand, if that same cap room were to be used on a couple of good young players at positions of need we may still get to the playoffs and we'll be building on our foundation for the future. We may even be able to trade JT for a draft pick. Tampa Bay, with about a zillion dollars in cap room, comes to mind as a possible trading partner.

For one thing, we need a solid RT. I don't know what the plan is to fix that position but if the plan is to hand it to a rookie, then it's a bad one because that's just too risky. Maybe the plan is to rent a Tra Thomas or Marc Colombo for a year. That would probably work. But wouldn't it be a better idea to sign Ray Willis who is an up and coming RT and is only 27 years old?

Also, with the cap room we save we should be able to bring back Demetric Evans, 29, who is a solid player at DE. What's wrong with giving Evans a nice raise and a promise that he will be the starter? He's earned it and he'll do a good job.

We may even be able to pick a FA SLB to help us out.

If we were to do all of these things, then we would have the freedom to draft the best available player, regardless of position, with each and every one of our draft picks. That should strengthen our team even more.

So here are the choices as I see them:

Jason Taylor

or

Ray Willis,
Demetric Evans,
Journeyman LB, and
Draft Pick

What are your thoughts on this topic?

Per Schneed and CC the Skins have enough room to have all the pieces you mention and Jason Taylor at $8.5 for 2009 (and totally cleared off the books in 2010 ... just in case). So you might be setting up a false choice. That is unless Willis gets significantly more money than Dockery and in that case would you really rather have him than a 1st rounder at RT?

Pocket$ $traight · 03-02-2009, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

Can they convert his salary into a bonus and use that for cap room to sign a RT like Willis?

You don't know what Willis is going to sign for but what is wrong with using a draft pick. Every other (good) team fills positions in the draft.

Personally, I think that the tackles in the draft (especially Oher and Smith) will be better than Willis.

KI Skins Fan · 03-02-2009, 11:24 AM

Can we even trust Vinny to draft a starting RT at #13? Who knows what Vinny, with his "Best Available Player" philosophy, might do?

Pocket$ $traight · 03-02-2009, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Can we even trust Vinny to draft a starting RT at #13? Who knows what Vinny, with his "Best Available Player" philosophy, might do?

Vinny's first round picks have been pretty good.

MTK · 03-02-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Vinny's first round picks have been pretty good.

All of the 1st rounders have been "no-brainers", meaning you can't give him credit for anything.

03-02-2009, 10:30 AM	#2
TheBloodSkin Camp Scrub Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 8	Re: Is paying Jason Taylor $8.5M the best use of salary cap dollars? Looking at the situationn as it is, it has become clear to me that there was an agreement made when JT was signed that if JT commits for two seasons he would earn all the money left on his contrat. This has to be why The FO would not use that money in some other way. Either way, it is cleared off the books next season.

03-02-2009, 10:39 AM	#4
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: Is paying Jason Taylor $8.5M the best use of salary cap dollars? No. But it looks like that's not on the table so far. Keeping him seems to smack of face saving on vinny/danny's part. Awfully expensive acquisition when you combine salary + a 2nd round pick. I will admit that at the time I liked the trade, yet a 2nd round pick these days is pretty high. Cassell was just traded for a 2nd rounder & he may be a franchise qb. Granted, it was an early 2nd. Looks like Evans is gone no matter what. Maybe he could sign here for vet min. if he's desparate, but they've already given his # to AH.

03-02-2009, 10:46 AM	#6
cdskins26 Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 351	Re: Is paying Jason Taylor $8.5M the best use of salary cap dollars? I would keep him around for another year. You cant expect all the injuries and he still is a great player. He finally looked like he did in Miami in the game against Philly (second one) and if we can get that next year every game, he deserves to stay.

03-02-2009, 10:48 AM	#7
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03-02-2009, 10:53 AM	#8
Pocket$ $traight Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Fairfax, VA Age: 48 Posts: 4,261	Re: Is paying Jason Taylor $8.5M the best use of salary cap dollars? Well looking at Canty's deal, I don't think that $8.5 for Jason Taylor is that bad. Also, you mentioned Evans and a journeyman linebacker. Do you really think that the team is better off with those parts than a healthy Jason Taylor? Plus, I think that Willis is going to sign a big deal so I am not convinced they could sign him, Evans and an LB. We have four draft picks including the 13th pick. If we cannot find a couple of starters in our draft, we will never be a contender. The draft has to be productive. So Jason Taylor has a low sack total but plays through two potential season ending injuries and the team would be better served with a part time lineman and a journeyman linebacker? I think he deserves a little more credit than that.

03-02-2009, 10:15 AM	#1
KI Skins Fan Pro Bowl Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Jacksonville, Forida Posts: 6,396	Is paying Jason Taylor $8.5M the best use of salary cap dollars? Basically, we're renting JT for one more season at $8.5M. If we don't go deep into the playoffs this season with JT as a key contributor, then that $8.5M will have been wasted. On the other hand, if that same cap room were to be used on a couple of good young players at positions of need we may still get to the playoffs and we'll be building on our foundation for the future. We may even be able to trade JT for a draft pick. Tampa Bay, with about a zillion dollars in cap room, comes to mind as a possible trading partner. For one thing, we need a solid RT. I don't know what the plan is to fix that position but if the plan is to hand it to a rookie, then it's a bad one because that's just too risky. Maybe the plan is to rent a Tra Thomas or Marc Colombo for a year. That would probably work. But wouldn't it be a better idea to sign Ray Willis who is an up and coming RT and is only 27 years old? Also, with the cap room we save we should be able to bring back Demetric Evans, 29, who is a solid player at DE. What's wrong with giving Evans a nice raise and a promise that he will be the starter? He's earned it and he'll do a good job. We may even be able to pick a FA SLB to help us out. If we were to do all of these things, then we would have the freedom to draft the best available player, regardless of position, with each and every one of our draft picks. That should strengthen our team even more. So here are the choices as I see them: Jason Taylor or Ray Willis, Demetric Evans, Journeyman LB, and Draft Pick What are your thoughts on this topic? Last edited by KI Skins Fan; 03-02-2009 at 10:24 AM.

03-02-2009, 11:24 AM	#13
KI Skins Fan Pro Bowl Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Jacksonville, Forida Posts: 6,396	Re: Is paying Jason Taylor $8.5M the best use of salary cap dollars? Can we even trust Vinny to draft a starting RT at #13? Who knows what Vinny, with his "Best Available Player" philosophy, might do?

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