Zorn has to take some blame

[hooskins]

I love Zorny, and I think he will be a great coach here but he needs to figure out what is going on. You cant put full blame on execution the last 5 games. he needs to change something up, because our offense is terrible.

JC gets no time, rollouts etc are a good idea. And if the line and the WRs are playing like ass you are in the end responsible for doing something.

Today was bad, and we started really poorly, but that is no excuse. Zorn needs to man up and take some blame. I didn't see the presser today but I hope he did so...

[GTripp0012]

I don't know if calling rollouts is the answer. Zorn bails out the offense with so many perfectly timed screens and draws. I'm not sure how much more imaginative we can be with the playcalling. If we can't execute simple one cut routes properly, I'm not sure that we could execute any sort of gadget play either.

With that said, Zorn seems to be fighting himself on decisions the whole game. He can't even decide whether he wants to let the clock run out or run some sort of bizarre 30 second offense. The challenge he made, while ultimately helpful to the cause, was just a bizarre decision. He punted in opponents territory with a minute to go in the 2nd quarter and one yard to gain...while we were getting shut out!

Jim Zorn is maybe 9th or 10th on the list of reasons we lost today, but he definately did not have a good game.

[MTK]

Something just isn't right with the offense, obviously. Things have gone totally stale over the second half of the season. At least earlier in the year we could move the ball pretty well. Now we can't even do that consistently.

Of course Zorn has to shoulder some of the blame.

His protection schemes seem pretty piss poor to me right now and is a big part of the problem. I know people hated Gibbs' max protect stuff, but I'm longing for some of that right now and I'm sure JC is too.

And of course we all need to keep in mind Zorn is a rookie HC who's never been a coordinator and has never called plays at this level. He's very much a work in progress.

[hooskins]

Problem is Zorn doesn't usually take blame at his pressers. he comes off as arrogant at times.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't know if calling rollouts is the answer. Zorn bails out the offense with so many perfectly timed screens and draws. I'm not sure how much more imaginative we can be with the playcalling. If we can't execute simple one cut routes properly, I'm not sure that we could execute any sort of gadget play either.

With that said, Zorn seems to be fighting himself on decisions the whole game. He can't even decide whether he wants to let the clock run out or run some sort of bizarre 30 second offense. The challenge he made, while ultimately helpful to the cause, was just a bizarre decision. He punted in opponents territory with a minute to go in the 2nd quarter and one yard to gain...while we were getting shut out!

Jim Zorn is maybe 9th or 10th on the list of reasons we lost today, but he definately did not have a good game.

The 2 bolded parts I completely agree with. the first part (using rb release screens to take advantage of overly-aggressive defenses) was great considering its BEEN 4 WEEKS SINCE WE FINALLY SAW SOME KIND OF COACHING ADJUSTMENT TO SUCCESS THE TEAMS ScOUTING AGAINST US SAW WHEn THEY BROUGHT PRESSURE. for some reason the ravens decided to keep things up the middle instead of exploiting us on the outside run like we/ve seen the past few weeks. maybe its because they went up ealry 14-0 and knew we wouldnt get 14. this lose was one of the most debilitating and "reality setting in"losses ive experienced since weve had the samuels, jansen etc. out stregthens next year will be aged considering samuels, kendal jansen rabach, fletcher griffin made up our team core of players. all we got is landry (who is a great player but no ST), a suspect mcintosh and rogers. horton produces but he is in the producing position for our D (anyone can play well and close to the ball with landry on roaming responsibilties).

our window has closed, if you disagree look back to your posts when gibbs 2 took over and see IF THIS YEAR WASNT THE YEAR FOR US 4 YEARS AGO. fact is our o line studs are old and half our D players (fletch n griff) studs are old/

[MTK]

Honestly I don't care what he says as long as he works on fixing the problems. People always get their panties in a wad over the pressers. People hated that Gibbs always took the blame and never threw players under the bus, now people want Zorn to take the blame, hilarious.

[53Fan]

Zorn and this whole offense are a work in progress. I know it's not very satisfying right now, but we have a good draft, pick up a couple of FA's and I think we're gonna look pretty good next year. I'm always optimistic but I never thought we'd win the Super Bowl this year.

[A10sROCK]

right now i think zorn is too close to the fire. Other teams have studied the rookie OC and Head Coach. Some of his favorite plays are being detected by the defenses and he's too predictable in some cases.

However, i also see plays that show imagination and he certainly has the guts to take chances. It must be heartbreaking to see how it all falls apart due to penalties and other execution problems.

I think Zorn will take the blame and will bring in someone else as OC this off season. He'll have to make improvements in the personnel in the offense. He'll see why some many Head Coaches are so tough and cranky.

[hooskins]

Don't get me wrong I love the guy, and I've seen some amazing plays but for some reason playcalling is just not clicking.

Gotta just admit that. It's not a big deal.

[hagams]

Could it be the they were trying to keep it simple in the first part of the season?

- You know, "Hey we all just got together and don't know the offense, so let's keep it simple".
- Mid-season, "All right, that didn't turn out too bad, let's kick it up a notch".
- Today, "Shit, who's idea was this"?

[Rock Your Face]

I would agree with criticism of Zorn over some of the bizarre game management type decisions (using your last challenge to push them back 5 yards), but I also think he is doing the best he can with limited offensive personnel.

Looking back those early wins were great but neither the Saints, nor the Cards have great or even good defenses, and I think now we might have to acknowledge that some of the stuff that worked against the Eagles and in the first Cowgirls game worked in part because of the lack of tape on Zorny's offense. Kind of like a pitcher getting off to a hot start in baseball, and then getting lit up his 2nd or 3rd time around the league.

The more concerning problem is the simple lack of playmakers on offense. Everyone knows CP is the horse and they load up to stop him. People shade a safety over Moss all the time because there is no second receiver that scares them. In addition, now when Moss does get open down the field, JC does not have the time to get him the ball.

I think Zorn will continue to improve as a play-caller as he gains experience, and he does seem to have a good knack for in-game adjustments (something that seemed to be lacking in Gibbs 2.0), as witnessed by the use of screens tonight. But until we get and/or develop some secondary receiving threats, we're going to continue to see more of the same.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Zorn and this whole offense are a work in progress. I know it's not very satisfying right now, but we have a good draft, pick up a couple of FA's and I think we're gonna look pretty good next year. I'm always optimistic but I never thought we'd win the Super Bowl this year.

Problem is that our core strength or reason we've been competitive the past 6 years will be gone. samuels, kendall, rabach, thomas, jansen, moss, ARE, portis, fletcher, griffin, springs and maybe JC (with his K being up after next year) will most likely be replaced in 2 years.

You dont get guys like samuels, thomas, jansen, portis, moss, cooley so easily. we had our group at or close to their "peak" and didnt cash in. maybe we keep cooley but the other peices are going to need to be replaced before zorn makes any run. UNLESS SAMUELS, KENDALL, RABACH, THOMAS JANSEN/HEYER have a resurrgence while JC clicks in the final year. next year is our absolute last chance under the current core skins players.

[53Fan]

Thomas looked good tonight and contrary to what we've seen so far, I don't believe Kelly has stone hands and will get better with time.

[A10sROCK]

Originally Posted by Rock Your Face

I would agree with criticism of Zorn over some of the bizarre game management type decisions (using your last challenge to push them back 5 yards), but I also think he is doing the best he can with limited offensive personnel.

Looking back those early wins were great but neither the Saints, nor the Cards have great or even good defenses, and I think now we might have to acknowledge that some of the stuff that worked against the Eagles and in the first Cowgirls game worked in part because of the lack of tape on Zorny's offense. Kind of like a pitcher getting off to a hot start in baseball, and then getting lit up his 2nd or 3rd time around the league.

The more concerning problem is the simple lack of playmakers on offense. Everyone knows CP is the horse and they load up to stop him. People shade a safety over Moss all the time because there is no second receiver that scares them. In addition, now when Moss does get open down the field, JC does not have the time to get him the ball.

I think Zorn will continue to improve as a play-caller as he gains experience, and he does seem to have a good knack for in-game adjustments (something that seemed to be lacking in Gibbs 2.0), as witnessed by the use of screens tonight. But until we get and/or develop some secondary receiving threats, we're going to continue to see more of the same.

If you listen to the commentators they say the same thing: our offense has very limited weapons. Clinton Portis. When Zorn has more offensive contributors then we'll see how he does. He'll be looking for some this Spring.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Rock Your Face

I would agree with criticism of Zorn over some of the bizarre game management type decisions (using your last challenge to push them back 5 yards), but I also think he is doing the best he can with limited offensive personnel.

Looking back those early wins were great but neither the Saints, nor the Cards have great or even good defenses, and I think now we might have to acknowledge that some of the stuff that worked against the Eagles and in the first Cowgirls game worked in part because of the lack of tape on Zorny's offense. Kind of like a pitcher getting off to a hot start in baseball, and then getting lit up his 2nd or 3rd time around the league.

The more concerning problem is the simple lack of playmakers on offense. Everyone knows CP is the horse and they load up to stop him. People shade a safety over Moss all the time because there is no second receiver that scares them. In addition, now when Moss does get open down the field, JC does not have the time to get him the ball.

I think Zorn will continue to improve as a play-caller as he gains experience, and he does seem to have a good knack for in-game adjustments (something that seemed to be lacking in Gibbs 2.0), as witnessed by the use of screens tonight. But until we get and/or develop some secondary receiving threats, we're going to continue to see more of the same.

Very similar to the problems we've had in Gibbs 2.0. I guess a majority is players. Then don't we need to fault Vinny on this one? I know I may be asking for too much, but I guess he and Danny have decided to build for the future and I hope they continue that.