Zorn-o-meter

CRedskinsRule · 12-05-2008, 09:18 AM

With the 3rd quarter done, I still am at a 3 with JZ, it was a brutal quarter no doubt, but, he did no worse than the rest of the coaches this decade. I hope over this final quarter we see alot of maturation from JZ and his offense. Still he is keeping his head above water and so that is a good thing.

irish · 12-05-2008, 10:00 AM

I am still at a 4 or 5 with Zorn. I think he's a breath of fresh air (especially compared to his predecessor) and a great young (as in he can stay here awhile and build a team) coach. I think he's stuck with players that just cant do what he wants the offense to do. IMO hiring JZ as head coach is the best move DS & Co. have made.

JoeRedskin · 12-05-2008, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

I am still at a 4 or 5 with Zorn. I think he's a breath of fresh air (especially compared to his predecessor) and a great young (as in he can stay here awhile and build a team) coach. I think he's stuck with players that just cant do what he wants the offense to do. IMO hiring JZ as head coach is the best move DS & Co. have made.

Wow. A (mostly) positive post from irish - Has any one checked hell to see if the demons are ice-fishing??

7-5, beating Philly and Dallas in their backyards in his first year? Even with the brutal third quarter, he is still a 4 in my book.

charlielyons · 12-05-2008, 10:19 AM

I like what Jim Zorn is doing with the Redskins.....I hope the FO allows him to stick around for a while and really develop this team to their potential

over the mountain · 12-05-2008, 10:23 AM

4 . . . seems the team is starting to come un-done alil due to the losing streak (atleast the media makes it out that way with "JC sensitive to criticism" comments all week on radio, zorn calling out players, etc) so if zorn cant get the players back on track (win or lose, winning cures all thoo) he might slip to a 3 in my book. should be interesting to see if zorn can re-capture whatever focus the players have lost in this last important stretch run.

go skinss!!

BrunellMVP? · 12-05-2008, 10:25 AM

he's not done much...basically we are running the same stuff we ran under gibbs. Portis seems to prefer it, but the passing game has stalled. I'm def. not horny for zorny, but i'm not over him either. Let's give him a couple more years (and Jason).

charlielyons · 12-05-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

he's not done much...basically we are running the same stuff we ran under gibbs. Portis seems to prefer it, but the passing game has stalled. I'm def. not horny for zorny, but i'm not over him either. Let's give him a couple more years (and Jason).

i was under the impression Portis did not like Joe Gibbs stye of offense because Portis was forced to pound the rock all the time. i believe he said in an interview "that style of running takes years off his shelf life"

MTK · 12-05-2008, 10:33 AM

The running game isn't classic Joe Gibbs, it's more of a hybrid of Gibbs/Saunders now with much more stretch plays and zone blocking schemes, and I'm sure there has been some minor tweaks and twists added by Zorn, Smith, and Mitchell. When was the last time you saw a counter this year? I haven't seen it.

SouperMeister · 12-05-2008, 10:34 AM

I'm still at a 5, and here's why: With the personal attention that he's giving Campbell, we will know by next year whether Campbell is trending toward becoming an elite QB, or a journeyman. The scheme certainly hasn't appeared to be the problem to me. O linemen getting beaten, WRs dropping 1st downs, and Jason occasionally making a poor throw are what's holding the offense back. I believe that we're a lot closer to turning the corner than it would appear, but IMO, it all starts up front with the O-line. Once they become more consistent, I'm optimistic that Zorn's offense will start humming.

Schneed10 · 12-05-2008, 10:42 AM

I'll go 3.5 on Zorn. He's good with Campbell, which is a huge plus. The team fights for him and respects him. I think he's a tremendous playcaller too.

Couple things I really don't understand though:

- Why aren't we using Randy Thomas on pull blocks to get him out in space? This was our best running play under Gibbs. It's not like Thomas is suddenly slow, he hurt his triceps last year, not his legs.

- Why have Cooley and Sellers practically disappeared as red zone targets? They're our two best red zone passing options, by far.

- How can our special teams coverage units be so lousy? We lost Torrence which hurt, but that's not the whole reason. Gibbs always had a strong committment to personally ensuring these units were performing well. I don't think Zorn is paying enough attention here, and for good reason, he can't. He's too busy coaching up Campbell. But he's got to get on top of these units somehow.

MTK · 12-05-2008, 10:48 AM

Zorn did try to hit Sellers on that playaction flip in Seattle, and he dropped it. But yeah I'm surprised we haven't seen more of that. It was such a money play in 2005.

irish · 12-05-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

he's not done much...basically we are running the same stuff we ran under gibbs. Portis seems to prefer it, but the passing game has stalled. I'm def. not horny for zorny, but i'm not over him either. Let's give him a couple more years (and Jason).

That's what I mean by JZ being hamstrung by the talent. His QB & WRs just wont let him do what he really wants to do with the O. Portis is a different story. He has been very good considering the load he's had to carry. I wonder how much will be left of CP after this season and the pounding he's had to take.

skinsfan69 · 12-05-2008, 12:03 PM

Was a 4 but now I'm bumping him down to a 3. Is it me or does it seem like we never make any adjustments? If we can't score then try to change things up. JC seems to run the no huddle pretty well so why not try that? Plus with Davis and Thomas giving us nothing, some of that has to fall on the coach or the coaches. If we're in the red zone Davis should be on the field. Makes no sense.

DynamiteRave · 12-05-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Was a 4 but now I'm bumping him down to a 3. Is it me or does it seem like we never make any adjustments? If we can't score then try to change things up. JC seems to run the no huddle pretty well so why not try that? Plus with Davis and Thomas giving us nothing, some of that has to fall on the coach or the coaches. If we're in the red zone Davis should be on the field. Makes no sense.

They still say he can't digest the playbook.

Schneed10 · 12-05-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

They still say he can't digest the playbook.

So what, he's retarded or something?

How hard can it be?

12-05-2008, 09:18 AM	#1
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 57 Posts: 21,416	Zorn-o-meter With the 3rd quarter done, I still am at a 3 with JZ, it was a brutal quarter no doubt, but, he did no worse than the rest of the coaches this decade. I hope over this final quarter we see alot of maturation from JZ and his offense. Still he is keeping his head above water and so that is a good thing.

12-05-2008, 10:00 AM	#2
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	Re: Zorn-o-meter I am still at a 4 or 5 with Zorn. I think he's a breath of fresh air (especially compared to his predecessor) and a great young (as in he can stay here awhile and build a team) coach. I think he's stuck with players that just cant do what he wants the offense to do. IMO hiring JZ as head coach is the best move DS & Co. have made.

12-05-2008, 10:19 AM	#4
charlielyons Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Richmond, Va Posts: 394	Re: Zorn-o-meter I like what Jim Zorn is doing with the Redskins.....I hope the FO allows him to stick around for a while and really develop this team to their potential

12-05-2008, 10:23 AM	#5
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: close to the edge Posts: 4,926	Re: Zorn-o-meter 4 . . . seems the team is starting to come un-done alil due to the losing streak (atleast the media makes it out that way with "JC sensitive to criticism" comments all week on radio, zorn calling out players, etc) so if zorn cant get the players back on track (win or lose, winning cures all thoo) he might slip to a 3 in my book. should be interesting to see if zorn can re-capture whatever focus the players have lost in this last important stretch run. go skinss!!

12-05-2008, 10:25 AM	#6
BrunellMVP? Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 726	Re: Zorn-o-meter he's not done much...basically we are running the same stuff we ran under gibbs. Portis seems to prefer it, but the passing game has stalled. I'm def. not horny for zorny, but i'm not over him either. Let's give him a couple more years (and Jason). __________________ in writing these daily letters and trying to make them interesting it is always possible that some sentiment may occur which has not received the severe and deliberate scrutiny and reconsideration which should attach to a State Paper. - Churchill

12-05-2008, 10:33 AM	#8
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,504	Re: Zorn-o-meter The running game isn't classic Joe Gibbs, it's more of a hybrid of Gibbs/Saunders now with much more stretch plays and zone blocking schemes, and I'm sure there has been some minor tweaks and twists added by Zorn, Smith, and Mitchell. When was the last time you saw a counter this year? I haven't seen it. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-05-2008, 10:34 AM	#9
SouperMeister Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 60 Posts: 3,419	Re: Zorn-o-meter I'm still at a 5, and here's why: With the personal attention that he's giving Campbell, we will know by next year whether Campbell is trending toward becoming an elite QB, or a journeyman. The scheme certainly hasn't appeared to be the problem to me. O linemen getting beaten, WRs dropping 1st downs, and Jason occasionally making a poor throw are what's holding the offense back. I believe that we're a lot closer to turning the corner than it would appear, but IMO, it all starts up front with the O-line. Once they become more consistent, I'm optimistic that Zorn's offense will start humming.

12-05-2008, 10:42 AM	#10
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 45 Posts: 12,421	Re: Zorn-o-meter I'll go 3.5 on Zorn. He's good with Campbell, which is a huge plus. The team fights for him and respects him. I think he's a tremendous playcaller too. Couple things I really don't understand though: - Why aren't we using Randy Thomas on pull blocks to get him out in space? This was our best running play under Gibbs. It's not like Thomas is suddenly slow, he hurt his triceps last year, not his legs. - Why have Cooley and Sellers practically disappeared as red zone targets? They're our two best red zone passing options, by far. - How can our special teams coverage units be so lousy? We lost Torrence which hurt, but that's not the whole reason. Gibbs always had a strong committment to personally ensuring these units were performing well. I don't think Zorn is paying enough attention here, and for good reason, he can't. He's too busy coaching up Campbell. But he's got to get on top of these units somehow. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

12-05-2008, 10:48 AM	#11
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,504	Re: Zorn-o-meter Zorn did try to hit Sellers on that playaction flip in Seattle, and he dropped it. But yeah I'm surprised we haven't seen more of that. It was such a money play in 2005. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-05-2008, 12:03 PM	#13
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,277	Re: Zorn-o-meter Was a 4 but now I'm bumping him down to a 3. Is it me or does it seem like we never make any adjustments? If we can't score then try to change things up. JC seems to run the no huddle pretty well so why not try that? Plus with Davis and Thomas giving us nothing, some of that has to fall on the coach or the coaches. If we're in the red zone Davis should be on the field. Makes no sense.

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