What's Wrong with the Redskins?

DynamiteRave · 11-30-2008, 05:19 PM

I mentioned this in the game thread, but I feel it has to be something more than just the offensive line.

I mean we can't break big runs, we can't make deep passes, we can't protect the QB, we can't put points on the board, we can't even hold onto the ball

Is it the players? The coaches? Being too emotional? Maybe it all does come right back down to the offensive line?

What do you think? And how do you feel about the remainder of the season?

SFREDSKIN · 11-30-2008, 05:23 PM

Lots of nagging injuries to key players.

Samuels knee

Portis knee, ribs, ankle

Carter foot

Fletcher foot

Washington ankle, shoulder

Golston foot

Taylor calf

Also not enough depth at LB, DE and age is catching up at OL and lack of experience at the WR position (we'll get better)

WaldSkins · 11-30-2008, 05:24 PM

The offensive line, Suisham, the linebackers besides Fletcher, and no DT push into the face of the quarterback

skinsfan1987 · 11-30-2008, 05:24 PM

The bottom line is that the redskins don't match up well with physical teams like the giants, steelers, and cowboys. Lucky, we have a favorable schedule down the stretch, and we can easily finish 10-6 or 11-5 hopefully.

Hog1 · 11-30-2008, 05:25 PM

Defense strongpoint-solid. Weakpoint-cannot play effectively for 48 minutes a game.
Offense-no execution. run blocking, pass protection, route running, (how many times can you run a route 1 yard short of the first), KICKING!!!!

Solution-cut the Offense, and trade for 25 more D guys to play 60 minutes on D

DesertHog · 11-30-2008, 05:30 PM

This might sound crazy but i think its Campbell. He can't convert on third down and can't score a touch downs.

mheisig · 11-30-2008, 05:30 PM

Nobody mentioned that we played some really good teams, and today we played the now 11-1 defending Super Bowl champions who are arguably the best team in football, and certainly the best in the NFC.

Smooter · 11-30-2008, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DesertHog

This might sound crazy but i think its Campbell. He can't convert on third down and can't score a touch downs.

Yeah that does sound crazy.

Hog1 · 11-30-2008, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mheisig

Nobody mentioned that we played some really good teams, and today we played the now 11-1 defending Super Bowl champions who are arguably the best team in football, and certainly the best in the NFC.

Point well taken, BUT losing is one thing. Meltdown is another. TOOOOO many missed opp's. TOOOO many "dealbreakers", self-destruction.
Lack of execution

DynamiteRave · 11-30-2008, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mheisig

Nobody mentioned that we played some really good teams, and today we played the now 11-1 defending Super Bowl champions who are arguably the best team in football, and certainly the best in the NFC.

We've also played some of the worse teams, who we've barely squeaked by with a win, with the exception of a bad team that beat us. (Rams). Elite teams don't almost get beat by bad teams. Hell, average teams don't almost get beat by bad teams.

There's no reason that we struggled against an 0-12 team and lent a win to a 2-9 team. It makes no sense.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-30-2008, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DesertHog

This might sound crazy but i think its Campbell. He can't convert on third down and can't score a touch downs.

I would agree with you, if Campbell were dropping balls. ARE, Thrash, and Kelly dropped 3 balls on 3rd downs - killing three drives.

Paintrain · 11-30-2008, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mheisig

Nobody mentioned that we played some really good teams, and today we played the now 11-1 defending Super Bowl champions who are arguably the best team in football, and certainly the best in the NFC.

Thank you! Please stop the madness of woe is us, why can't we always win, wah, wah, wah..

We played the best team in football today, we played the team that all of the 'experts' said was the best team in football 2 weeks ago, we played one of the best teams in the AFC right before that. If we lose next week then we would have lost to 4 of the top 6 teams in the NFL. There's no shame in that!! Of course we would have liked to have won all of those games but just because we didn't doesn't mean we suck and the season is over.

We're still in very good shape to make the playoffs which most people thought unimaginable before the season started.

The Goat · 11-30-2008, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

Defense strongpoint-solid. Weakpoint-cannot play effectively for 48 minutes a game.
Offense-no execution. run blocking, pass protection, route running, (how many times can you run a route 1 yard short of the first), KICKING!!!!

Solution-cut the Offense, and trade for 25 more D guys to play 60 minutes on D

That about sums it up.

I will say that dropped passes alone took us out of this game. Every WR dropped at least one save Thomas I believe. I saw the ball bounce off hands, chests, shoulder pads, and the face mask. Just doesn't look like an NFL caliber receiving corp, and I'm beginning to very seriously wonder if it's something in the coaching. Dropped passes lost us the playoff game last year IMHO and have always been way too common when we try to throw the ball regularly. We've seen it over and over w/ Moss, El, Thrash. But here's what gets me: Malcolm Kelly was very sure-handed in college and now he's got passes bouncing off his hands and his chest. Somehow it does not appear the guys are maintaining eye-hand coordination - something so fucking basic i really can't believe i'm typing it out but that's what i'm seeing on gameday...

Paintrain · 11-30-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

We've also played some of the worse teams, who we've barely squeaked by with a win, with the exception of a bad team that beat us. (Rams). Elite teams don't almost get beat by bad teams. Hell, average teams don't almost get beat by bad teams.

There's no reason that we struggled against an 0-12 team and lent a win to a 2-9 team. It makes no sense.

The Giants lost to the Browns and squeaked by the Bengals in overtime. Your point is pointless.

A10sROCK · 11-30-2008, 05:36 PM

OL is average. Good DL either stop our running game or put lots of pressure on JC.

DL is below average. We put little pass rush on QB. Our outstanding DBs, including rookie Chris Horton make the DL look better.

ST are average or below. Kicking is very inconsistent. PR is really mediocre. KO returns don't scare anyone. Punting is ok for now.

We have a possible MVP RB with Clinton Portis. Jason Campbell is good but I wonder if he can win games alone [as the elite QB do] and I wonder if he will ever get to the next level. I want him to succeed but wonder if he can improve to the top level.

Our defense keeps the score down but doesn't get too many turnovers.

We're a good team. Probably will be 9-7 or 10-6. I don't think we will make the playoffs. We have fundamental OL / DL problems that will have to be addressed in the off-season.

11-30-2008, 05:19 PM	#1
DynamiteRave Living Legend Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Washington DC Age: 38 Posts: 16,867	What's Wrong with the Redskins? I mentioned this in the game thread, but I feel it has to be something more than just the offensive line. I mean we can't break big runs, we can't make deep passes, we can't protect the QB, we can't put points on the board, we can't even hold onto the ball Is it the players? The coaches? Being too emotional? Maybe it all does come right back down to the offensive line? What do you think? And how do you feel about the remainder of the season? __________________ Establishment, establishment, you always know what's best. I've been a part of this message board for 17 years. Damn I'm old.

11-30-2008, 05:23 PM	#2
SFREDSKIN Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 15,164	Re: What's Wrong with the Redskins? Lots of nagging injuries to key players. Samuels knee Portis knee, ribs, ankle Carter foot Fletcher foot Washington ankle, shoulder Golston foot Taylor calf Also not enough depth at LB, DE and age is catching up at OL and lack of experience at the WR position (we'll get better) __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

11-30-2008, 05:24 PM	#3
WaldSkins Playmaker Join Date: May 2007 Location: Harrisburg, PA Age: 41 Posts: 2,726	Re: What's Wrong with the Redskins? The offensive line, Suisham, the linebackers besides Fletcher, and no DT push into the face of the quarterback __________________ "I would change that around, Jesus isn't Cutler. I guarantee you Jesus couldnt thread the ball like Jay does."-Monksdown

11-30-2008, 05:24 PM	#4
skinsfan1987 Camp Scrub Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 41	Re: What's Wrong with the Redskins? The bottom line is that the redskins don't match up well with physical teams like the giants, steelers, and cowboys. Lucky, we have a favorable schedule down the stretch, and we can easily finish 10-6 or 11-5 hopefully.

11-30-2008, 05:25 PM	#5
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: What's Wrong with the Redskins? Defense strongpoint-solid. Weakpoint-cannot play effectively for 48 minutes a game. Offense-no execution. run blocking, pass protection, route running, (how many times can you run a route 1 yard short of the first), KICKING!!!! Solution-cut the Offense, and trade for 25 more D guys to play 60 minutes on D __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

11-30-2008, 05:30 PM	#6
DesertHog Camp Scrub Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 18	Re: What's Wrong with the Redskins? This might sound crazy but i think its Campbell. He can't convert on third down and can't score a touch downs.

11-30-2008, 05:30 PM	#7
mheisig The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The Southeast Age: 41 Posts: 2,119	Re: What's Wrong with the Redskins? Nobody mentioned that we played some really good teams, and today we played the now 11-1 defending Super Bowl champions who are arguably the best team in football, and certainly the best in the NFC. __________________ Your post count, reputation score, popularity ranking, VIP tag or funny signature has no bearing on how I value you as an individual.

11-30-2008, 05:36 PM	#15
A10sROCK Impact Rookie Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Doylestown, PA Posts: 520	Re: What's Wrong with the Redskins? OL is average. Good DL either stop our running game or put lots of pressure on JC. DL is below average. We put little pass rush on QB. Our outstanding DBs, including rookie Chris Horton make the DL look better. ST are average or below. Kicking is very inconsistent. PR is really mediocre. KO returns don't scare anyone. Punting is ok for now. We have a possible MVP RB with Clinton Portis. Jason Campbell is good but I wonder if he can win games alone [as the elite QB do] and I wonder if he will ever get to the next level. I want him to succeed but wonder if he can improve to the top level. Our defense keeps the score down but doesn't get too many turnovers. We're a good team. Probably will be 9-7 or 10-6. I don't think we will make the playoffs. We have fundamental OL / DL problems that will have to be addressed in the off-season.

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