A Very Troubling Statistic

SouperMeister · 11-04-2008, 01:27 PM

Straight from this morning's Washington Times:

In the last five games, the Redskins have only one first-half touchdown - a 3-yard drive - in 32 possessions.

That is astounding. The defense is effectively keeping us in every game while the offense hasn't held up its end, even against below average teams (Rams, Browns, Lions). We've gotten virtually nothing from our three receivers drafted in the 2nd round, and now Moss is gimpy once again. What changes (strategic, personnel, etc.) would you like to see from Zorn after the bye to address the lack of 1st half scoring?

I will volunteer two personnel moves - I don't see what Yoder gives the offense that Fred Davis wouldn't give and then some. I also would like to see Heyer starting at RT to help stabilize the pass protection.

wilsowilso · 11-04-2008, 01:28 PM

I very much agree with both of those suggestions.

Redskins_P · 11-04-2008, 01:31 PM

I don't think personnel is really the problem. The problem is that we can't sustain drives because we keep shooting ourselves in the foot with penalties. This team is starting look like its old self with all the penalties and turnovers.

Hopefully the bye will help the coaching staff re-evaluate everything and the players can get some rest both mentally and physically.

johnerotten · 11-04-2008, 01:40 PM

yonder really does'nt do much.i'm all for fred davis,but heyer sucks.

DynamiteRave · 11-04-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by johnerotten

yonder really does'nt do much.i'm all for fred davis,but heyer sucks.

I'm assuming you meant Yoder. I really only like him in goalline pass situations. He seems to be clutch there. I'd really like to see Davis get some time. And yes, I think we all can agree that Heyer is quite the goat.

redsk1 · 11-04-2008, 01:50 PM

I read this somewhere so it's not original but...deactivate M Kelly if he's not going to play and get another WR. Where's Reche Caldwell or that other guy we had last year? Bring them in.

over the mountain · 11-04-2008, 02:43 PM

Hindsight is 20/20 but it probaly wasnt the smartest move going into the season with Moss, ARE then thrash as our 3rd reciever, relying on 2nd round rookies to add depth after that.

One injury to moss and we are left with ARE and thrash who will not cut it against good to great D teams. I doubt reche would be an improvement or solution.

Dick Lebeau plain outcoached zorn, it happens we cant win em all.

go skins!!

GTripp0012 · 11-04-2008, 02:45 PM

This statistic would be way more troubling if we weren't significantly better in the second half.

I agree with both suggestions. Heyer gives us the best chance to win at RT, and Yoder doesn't do anything well enough to warrant playing time when both of the other TEs are healthy.

I said in a live blog yesterday that Yoder blocks like a receiving TE, and has the hands of a lineman.

SmootSmack · 11-04-2008, 02:51 PM

Reche Caldwell is a St. Louis Ram, for those wondering

DarkKnight · 11-04-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by over the mountain

Hindsight is 20/20 but it probaly wasnt the smartest move going into the season with Moss, ARE then thrash as our 3rd reciever, relying on 2nd round rookies to add depth after that.

One injury to moss and we are left with ARE and thrash who will not cut it against good to great D teams. I doubt reche would be an improvement or solution.

Dick Lebeau plain outcoached zorn, it happens we cant win em all.

go skins!!

Actually the truth is, JC, got gun shy, started to pass to check down only, yea, he didnt have time, but Zorn didnt do a good job preparing of the blitz, like this, watching the game was like watching paint dry, it was horrible, and even though Carlos Rogers is playing lights out, the differents between an elite DB and a good one, is getting the int's. that are giving to you and making big plays, he pick that, we up 13-3 and the steelers lose their mojo. the truth is we need Jason Taylor in to help create pressure and we have to get picks, if we dont, doesnt matter where we finish, we will be one and done in the playoffs.

Twilbert07 · 11-04-2008, 03:10 PM

Our offense is pretty bad right now, except for Portis' running. Opposing defenses saw last night how to shut us down: pressure Campbell, and the passing game is gone.

Southpaw · 11-04-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by johnerotten

yonder really does'nt do much.i'm all for fred davis,but heyer sucks.

Heyer sucks? Are you being sarcastic? He may not be lights out, but he can't be any worse than the guy who was put on his ass by a linebacker, and attempted a half assed chop block on a player that he outweighs by roughly 60 pounds, AND got caught off guard by his own offense's silent snap count.

DarkKnight · 11-04-2008, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Southpaw

Heyer sucks? Are you being sarcastic? He may not be lights out, but he can't be any worse than the guy who was put on his ass by a linebacker, and attempted a half assed chop block on a player that he outweighs by roughly 60 pounds, AND got caught off guard by his own offense's silent snap count.

AMEN!!!

cdskins26 · 11-04-2008, 03:28 PM

Im not surprise, but ona positive note think of all the second half touchdowns.

downtown4life · 11-04-2008, 03:29 PM

I know everyone is freaking out about how bad the skins played, we have to remember they are 6-3. When "experts" say the outcome of the game is decided by a handful of plays- in this case its true. If you look at the 40 yard (questionable) pass interference call and the blocked punt, here are two plays that cost them 14 points. You take that from the final score and you cant say the steelers played that much better than the skins. The defense did their job.

11-04-2008, 01:27 PM	#1
SouperMeister Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 60 Posts: 3,419	A Very Troubling Statistic Straight from this morning's Washington Times: In the last five games, the Redskins have only one* first-half touchdown - a 3-yard drive - in 32 possessions.* That is astounding. The defense is effectively keeping us in every game while the offense hasn't held up its end, even against below average teams (Rams, Browns, Lions). We've gotten virtually nothing from our three receivers drafted in the 2nd round, and now Moss is gimpy once again. What changes (strategic, personnel, etc.) would you like to see from Zorn after the bye to address the lack of 1st half scoring? I will volunteer two personnel moves - I don't see what Yoder gives the offense that Fred Davis wouldn't give and then some. I also would like to see Heyer starting at RT to help stabilize the pass protection.

11-04-2008, 01:28 PM	#2
wilsowilso Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Los Angeles Age: 51 Posts: 2,841	Re: A Very Troubling Statistic I very much agree with both of those suggestions.

11-04-2008, 01:31 PM	#3
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 46 Posts: 4,101	Re: A Very Troubling Statistic I don't think personnel is really the problem. The problem is that we can't sustain drives because we keep shooting ourselves in the foot with penalties. This team is starting look like its old self with all the penalties and turnovers. Hopefully the bye will help the coaching staff re-evaluate everything and the players can get some rest both mentally and physically.

11-04-2008, 01:40 PM	#4
johnerotten Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: commonwealth of va Posts: 795	Re: A Very Troubling Statistic yonder really does'nt do much.i'm all for fred davis,but heyer sucks.

11-04-2008, 01:50 PM	#6
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: A Very Troubling Statistic I read this somewhere so it's not original but...deactivate M Kelly if he's not going to play and get another WR. Where's Reche Caldwell or that other guy we had last year? Bring them in.

11-04-2008, 02:43 PM	#7
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: close to the edge Posts: 4,926	Re: A Very Troubling Statistic Hindsight is 20/20 but it probaly wasnt the smartest move going into the season with Moss, ARE then thrash as our 3rd reciever, relying on 2nd round rookies to add depth after that. One injury to moss and we are left with ARE and thrash who will not cut it against good to great D teams. I doubt reche would be an improvement or solution. Dick Lebeau plain outcoached zorn, it happens we cant win em all. go skins!!

11-04-2008, 02:45 PM	#8
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: A Very Troubling Statistic This statistic would be way more troubling if we weren't significantly better in the second half. I agree with both suggestions. Heyer gives us the best chance to win at RT, and Yoder doesn't do anything well enough to warrant playing time when both of the other TEs are healthy. I said in a live blog yesterday that Yoder blocks like a receiving TE, and has the hands of a lineman. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

11-04-2008, 02:51 PM	#9
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: A Very Troubling Statistic Reche Caldwell is a St. Louis Ram, for those wondering __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-04-2008, 03:10 PM	#11
Twilbert07 Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Age: 59 Posts: 594	Re: A Very Troubling Statistic Our offense is pretty bad right now, except for Portis' running. Opposing defenses saw last night how to shut us down: pressure Campbell, and the passing game is gone. __________________ a Skins fan every day, every way.

11-04-2008, 03:28 PM	#14
cdskins26 Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 351	Re: A Very Troubling Statistic Im not surprise, but ona positive note think of all the second half touchdowns.

11-04-2008, 03:29 PM	#15
downtown4life Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 25	Re: A Very Troubling Statistic I know everyone is freaking out about how bad the skins played, we have to remember they are 6-3. When "experts" say the outcome of the game is decided by a handful of plays- in this case its true. If you look at the 40 yard (questionable) pass interference call and the blocked punt, here are two plays that cost them 14 points. You take that from the final score and you cant say the steelers played that much better than the skins. The defense did their job.

A Very Troubling Statistic

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