Redskins in the Pro Bowl

GTripp0012 · 10-18-2008, 06:58 PM

Now that pro bowl voting is open, it seems like a good time to look at the guys who deserve a trip to Honolulu. Maybe you're the type that votes a team full of Redskins every year. Hey, more power to you. But if you want to know who deserves it the most, heres a short list of guys who absolutely should be playing after the Super Bowl this year.

Carlos Rogers

No Redskin on the defense has been tested more than Rogers has this season (33 times), and no Redskin has been better than Rogers. It's hard to say where the Redskins would be without Rogers, and I'm thinking it would be somewhere around 1-4 with one of the worst passing defenses in the NFL. Shawn Springs still plays like a top corner when he's healthy, but back in April, we thought that Rogers would be coming off PUP about now. What he accomplished in this offseason defied all reasonable expectations, and it's time to reward him.

Andre Carter

Carter is probably going to get passed over for the probowl because he only has one sack on the year, but he's the best pass rushing lineman AND the best run stopping lineman on a top ten defense. Carter is as indispensable as any player on the team right now and his team leading 12 pressures are double as many as any other player on the team (6 -- Evans/Griffin).

London Fletcher

Okay, I'm back on the Fletcher bandwagon. Previously, I was in support of Rocky to the pro bowl, but after watching Fletch the last two weeks, I still believe the old man has the best coverage skills of any LB of our team (except Blades, perhaps). He's not as valuable against the run as people think, but his sideline to sideline range and toughness should be legendary. It's terrible that Fletch lost the first 9 years of his career to the media-challenged cities of Buffalo and St. Louis, because he has been a top five LB in the NFL for a long time, and has never been to a pro bowl. Well, I officially believe you have to send him this year.

LaRon Landry

The Redskins have given up two pass plays in excess of 40 yards this year (well, three if you count the one where Reggie Brown wasn't touched, but humor me). On both plays it was a Landry mistake that ALLOWED the offense to do what is taken for granted against other NFL teams once or twice a game. Landry is so versatile, but when you have a player that can go sideline to sideline in deep pass defense, you really have a secret weapon. That type of player comes along maybe 2-3 times a decade, and the Redskins drafted two of those guys in the last 5 years.

Chris Cooley

Those who haven't been hiding under a rock know that Cooley is one of the two best receiving TEs in the NFC, but this year especially, Cooley has become one of the best blocking TEs in the entire NFL. He, believe it or not, is the best blocking TE on the roster. Now the complete player in his 5th season, he should be in the next 6 pro bowls if he can remain healthy.

Chris Samuels

Samuels goes to the pro bowl every year. He just happens to be having a career year.

Pete Kendall

Pete Kendall, please get in line behind Shawn Springs and Andre Carter in the career reclamation project showcase.

Clinton Portis

Clinton Portis, through 6 weeks, is the best RB in the NFL by every conventional and sabermetric measure. In fact, it's not even remotely close. My argument against Portis was that he never breaks the long run. Well, in the last three games, Portis has SIX 20+ yard runs. So much for that.

I am taking credit for predicting this career year, which I did this offseason.

Jason Campbell

Yeah, he's looked more shaky in some games than others, but out of the NFC, you send Drew Brees to the pro bowl, you send Kurt Warner, and then in my opinion, Jason Campbell has outplayed every QB in the NFC B-East this year, and deserves the final roster spot at QB based on his first 6 weeks.

Chris Horton, Shawn Springs, Rocky McIntosh, Santana Moss and Corneilius Griffin should all receive consideration but ultimately I believe there are better options at those positions.

GTripp0012 · 10-18-2008, 07:02 PM

If you click on the 'Sabermetrics' link in the post above, it links you to a rankings page of RBs this year.

The column highlighted in red is called "effective yards" and is as good a measure as any of his total value. Only three RBs in the entire NFL have more than 500 effective yards. Portis has 800. That really puts this season in perspective.

Did I mention that Portis has also been a great receiver this year?

Lotus · 10-18-2008, 08:06 PM

I realize that Jason Taylor has been out and therefore is not a great pick for the Pro Bowl at this point in the season.

But why is he listed on the Pro Bowl ballot as a linebacker rather than as a defensive end?

GTripp0012 · 10-18-2008, 08:55 PM

ESPN - Redskins' best Sellers - NFC East

Mark Mosely makes the case for Sellers.

The Redskins have ten guys who deserve the pro bowl this year. That really supports the fact that this might be the best team in the NFL. How many do the Giants have? Tuck, Robbins, Snee, Diehl, O'Hara, Jacobs, Burress?

How many does Dallas have?
Barber, Witten, Owens, Ware, Ratliff, Romo?

Lotus · 10-18-2008, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

ESPN - Redskins' best Sellers - NFC East

Mark Mosely makes the case for Sellers.

The Redskins have ten guys who deserve the pro bowl this year. That really supports the fact that this might be the best team in the NFL. How many do the Giants have? Tuck, Robbins, Snee, Diehl, O'Hara, Jacobs, Burress?

How many does Dallas have?
Barber, Witten, Owens, Ware, Ratliff, Romo?

I hope much fewer than 13 Cowboys make it this year. I thought that several of their picks last year were undeserving. Now I'm sick of hearing, "13 Pro Bowlers..."

reppinredskins · 10-18-2008, 10:11 PM

Chris Horten anyone?

53Fan · 10-18-2008, 10:45 PM

All those guys have gotten, and are still getting, multiple votes from me. Plus Sellers and Suisham. I'm also voting McIntosh and Washington because the voting is so early and I'm expecting more from them as the season goes on. I give an occasional vote to Springs. If he could stay on the field there is no doubt he would belong.

GMScud · 10-18-2008, 10:52 PM

Every team has 10 or 11 games left to play and the fact that ballots are even open shows what a joke of an "all-star" game the NFL has. Case in point - 13 Cowboys made it last year because they're a popular team.

Kind of like the way nearly the entire AL starting lineup in the MLB All-Star game is usually Yankees and Red Sox, despite there always being much more deserving players. Fans drive revenue, therefore they get to vote, but IMO it takes credit away from deserving players, and takes credibility away from the "all-star" or "pro-bowl" label.

I'll vote for the Redskins players because I love 'em, but that doesn't mean it isn't stupid.

53Fan · 10-18-2008, 11:08 PM

I don't think anybody would disagree with you GMScud. The only reason I've even bothering with this is I'd rather see my guys get a trip to Hawaii than the Cowgirls. Plus I believe the guys I'm voting for deserve a shot. But yeah, it is a popularity contest as far as the fan vote goes and it's WAY to early to know who deserves to go.

GMScud · 10-18-2008, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 53Fan

I don't think anybody would disagree with you GMScud. The only reason I've even bothering with this is I'd rather see my guys get a trip to Hawaii than the Cowgirls. Plus I believe the guys I'm voting for deserve a shot. But yeah, it is a popularity contest as far as the fan vote goes and it's WAY to early to know who deserves to go.

Exactly. The only reason I'm even thinking of the words "pro-bowl" is because I don't want to see a bunch of undeserving Cowpokes make the trip again.

I really hope Caveman Sellers goes this year.

DirtyLandry · 10-19-2008, 01:39 AM

I was just going to say Dat Boy. This guys' story is unbelievable. Fullbacks never get the recognition they deserve and Sellers is our teams unsung hero.

CA_Redskins · 10-19-2008, 02:24 AM

Bunch of freakin' homers.

Carter (though I love ya)?
Samuels? He doesn't deserve to start on passing plays, yet alone be in HI!
Kendall? Is he still on the team?

Come on.

Portis, Cooley, Rogers, Fletcher/Washington, Albright (hail long snapers).

DirtyLandry · 10-19-2008, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by CA_Redskins

Bunch of freakin' homers.

Carter (though I love ya)?
Samuels? He doesn't deserve to start on passing plays, yet alone be in HI!
Kendall? Is he still on the team?

Come on.

Portis, Cooley, Rogers, Fletcher/Washington, Albright (hail long snapers).

Kendall has been outstanding. What a great signing this was. I'm not saying he's pro bowl caliber, but don't discount his play.

CA_Redskins · 10-19-2008, 04:52 AM

Fair. That may have been a little harsh.

jamf · 10-19-2008, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CA_Redskins

Bunch of freakin' homers.

Carter (though I love ya)?
Samuels? He doesn't deserve to start on passing plays, yet alone be in HI!
Kendall? Is he still on the team?

Come on.

Portis, Cooley, Rogers, Fletcher/Washington, Albright (hail long snapers).

I agree.

Samuels will make just because he makes it every year...

No way carter is a probowl DE he has been our best DE and has played very well but he doesn't disrupt the game like a Peppers or Umenyiora type DE.

Kendall has had a very solid year but I wouldnt put him in the probowl yet.

One player to keep a look out of is Horton, If he can get more picks in the next 3 games, He could build a strong case for himself.

Also, How about Suisham? he has been very good this year and great on kickoffs.

Portis and Fletcher are the only locks in my mind.

Cooley and Campbell probably deserve to go.

10-18-2008, 06:58 PM	#1
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Redskins in the Pro Bowl Now that pro bowl voting is open, it seems like a good time to look at the guys who deserve a trip to Honolulu. Maybe you're the type that votes a team full of Redskins every year. Hey, more power to you. But if you want to know who deserves it the most, heres a short list of guys who absolutely should be playing after the Super Bowl this year. Carlos Rogers No Redskin on the defense has been tested more than Rogers has this season (33 times), and no Redskin has been better than Rogers. It's hard to say where the Redskins would be without Rogers, and I'm thinking it would be somewhere around 1-4 with one of the worst passing defenses in the NFL. Shawn Springs still plays like a top corner when he's healthy, but back in April, we thought that Rogers would be coming off PUP about now. What he accomplished in this offseason defied all reasonable expectations, and it's time to reward him. Andre Carter Carter is probably going to get passed over for the probowl because he only has one sack on the year, but he's the best pass rushing lineman AND the best run stopping lineman on a top ten defense. Carter is as indispensable as any player on the team right now and his team leading 12 pressures are double as many as any other player on the team (6 -- Evans/Griffin). London Fletcher Okay, I'm back on the Fletcher bandwagon. Previously, I was in support of Rocky to the pro bowl, but after watching Fletch the last two weeks, I still believe the old man has the best coverage skills of any LB of our team (except Blades, perhaps). He's not as valuable against the run as people think, but his sideline to sideline range and toughness should be legendary. It's terrible that Fletch lost the first 9 years of his career to the media-challenged cities of Buffalo and St. Louis, because he has been a top five LB in the NFL for a long time, and has never been to a pro bowl. Well, I officially believe you have to send him this year. LaRon Landry The Redskins have given up two pass plays in excess of 40 yards this year (well, three if you count the one where Reggie Brown wasn't touched, but humor me). On both plays it was a Landry mistake that ALLOWED the offense to do what is taken for granted against other NFL teams once or twice a game. Landry is so versatile, but when you have a player that can go sideline to sideline in deep pass defense, you really have a secret weapon. That type of player comes along maybe 2-3 times a decade, and the Redskins drafted two of those guys in the last 5 years. Chris Cooley Those who haven't been hiding under a rock know that Cooley is one of the two best receiving TEs in the NFC, but this year especially, Cooley has become one of the best blocking TEs in the entire NFL. He, believe it or not, is the best blocking TE on the roster. Now the complete player in his 5th season, he should be in the next 6 pro bowls if he can remain healthy. Chris Samuels Samuels goes to the pro bowl every year. He just happens to be having a career year. Pete Kendall Pete Kendall, please get in line behind Shawn Springs and Andre Carter in the career reclamation project showcase. Clinton Portis Clinton Portis, through 6 weeks, is the best RB in the NFL by every conventional and sabermetric measure. In fact, it's not even remotely close. My argument against Portis was that he never breaks the long run. Well, in the last three games, Portis has SIX 20+ yard runs. So much for that. I am taking credit for predicting this career year, which I did this offseason. Jason Campbell Yeah, he's looked more shaky in some games than others, but out of the NFC, you send Drew Brees to the pro bowl, you send Kurt Warner, and then in my opinion, Jason Campbell has outplayed every QB in the NFC B-East this year, and deserves the final roster spot at QB based on his first 6 weeks. Chris Horton, Shawn Springs, Rocky McIntosh, Santana Moss and Corneilius Griffin should all receive consideration but ultimately I believe there are better options at those positions. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

10-18-2008, 07:02 PM	#2
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: Redskins in the Pro Bowl If you click on the 'Sabermetrics' link in the post above, it links you to a rankings page of RBs this year. The column highlighted in red is called "effective yards" and is as good a measure as any of his total value. Only three RBs in the entire NFL have more than 500 effective yards. Portis has 800. That really puts this season in perspective. Did I mention that Portis has also been a great receiver this year? __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

10-18-2008, 08:06 PM	#3
Lotus Fire Bruce NOW Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 11,434	Re: Redskins in the Pro Bowl I realize that Jason Taylor has been out and therefore is not a great pick for the Pro Bowl at this point in the season. But why is he listed on the Pro Bowl ballot as a linebacker rather than as a defensive end?

10-18-2008, 08:55 PM	#4
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: Redskins in the Pro Bowl ESPN - Redskins' best Sellers - NFC East Mark Mosely makes the case for Sellers. The Redskins have ten guys who deserve the pro bowl this year. That really supports the fact that this might be the best team in the NFL. How many do the Giants have? Tuck, Robbins, Snee, Diehl, O'Hara, Jacobs, Burress? How many does Dallas have? Barber, Witten, Owens, Ware, Ratliff, Romo? __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

10-18-2008, 10:11 PM	#6
reppinredskins Camp Scrub Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 27	Re: Redskins in the Pro Bowl Chris Horten anyone?

10-18-2008, 10:45 PM	#7
53Fan Franchise Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,570	Re: Redskins in the Pro Bowl All those guys have gotten, and are still getting, multiple votes from me. Plus Sellers and Suisham. I'm also voting McIntosh and Washington because the voting is so early and I'm expecting more from them as the season goes on. I give an occasional vote to Springs. If he could stay on the field there is no doubt he would belong.

10-18-2008, 10:52 PM	#8
GMScud Swearinger Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 12,626	Re: Redskins in the Pro Bowl Every team has 10 or 11 games left to play and the fact that ballots are even open shows what a joke of an "all-star" game the NFL has. Case in point - 13 Cowboys made it last year because they're a popular team. Kind of like the way nearly the entire AL starting lineup in the MLB All-Star game is usually Yankees and Red Sox, despite there always being much more deserving players. Fans drive revenue, therefore they get to vote, but IMO it takes credit away from deserving players, and takes credibility away from the "all-star" or "pro-bowl" label. I'll vote for the Redskins players because I love 'em, but that doesn't mean it isn't stupid. __________________ Tardy Last edited by GMScud; 10-18-2008 at 11:16 PM.

10-18-2008, 11:08 PM	#9
53Fan Franchise Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,570	Re: Redskins in the Pro Bowl I don't think anybody would disagree with you GMScud. The only reason I've even bothering with this is I'd rather see my guys get a trip to Hawaii than the Cowgirls. Plus I believe the guys I'm voting for deserve a shot. But yeah, it is a popularity contest as far as the fan vote goes and it's WAY to early to know who deserves to go.

10-19-2008, 01:39 AM	#11
DirtyLandry Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: lost in the sauce Posts: 377	Re: Redskins in the Pro Bowl I was just going to say Dat Boy. This guys' story is unbelievable. Fullbacks never get the recognition they deserve and Sellers is our teams unsung hero. __________________ "I just went from six to midnight."

10-19-2008, 02:24 AM	#12
CA_Redskins Camp Scrub Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 46	Re: Redskins in the Pro Bowl Bunch of freakin' homers. Carter (though I love ya)? Samuels? He doesn't deserve to start on passing plays, yet alone be in HI! Kendall? Is he still on the team? Come on. Portis, Cooley, Rogers, Fletcher/Washington, Albright (hail long snapers).

10-19-2008, 04:52 AM	#14
CA_Redskins Camp Scrub Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 46	Re: Redskins in the Pro Bowl Fair. That may have been a little harsh.

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