RI: JZ and JC

[MTK]

Paul Tenorio reports:

Here at the start of the afternoon practice, one of Zorn's quirky quarterback drills has made its first appearance. No, not the slip n' slide, this instead is similar to a drill in the Madden video game training camp mode.

link: JZ and JC (With Afternoon Update) - Redskins Insider

[skinsqc]

I just hope it don't take the offense 6 games to get on the same page.

[theJBexperience]

Good, he had a huge problem sailing balls over open receivers heads last season. Hopefully, this will fix that problem.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by skinsqc

I just hope it don't take the offense 6 games to get on the same page.

Hm I doubt it, it's not lilke Zorn is making a fat playbook, fatter than Saunders' 700 pages playbook..

[Longtimefan]

All these drills are obviously designed to help make JC more proficient as a passer, and it will be interesting to see the finished product.

"The Knees Are The Keys" Interesting!!

[goredskins1983]

I would rather have Todd Collins start anyways. Granted, he ran an Al Saunders offense that he knew in KC, but he has what it takes to win games and run an offense. his QB rating was about 100, and lead us to 5 straight wins. Its clear Campbell cannot run an offense. He makes too many key mistakes, like the ends of the TB and Dallas games where he threw costly picks. His TD and INT ratio is bad, and his QB rating has been low as well, in the high 70's. The upsetting thing is that his stats show no improvement year to year. We cannot win with him, just look at his record as a starter, its below 500. though collins is old, he really hasnt been banged up much in his career due to being a backup.

[Daseal]

Goredskins -- this is why the Redskins typically don't draft. Redskins fans are idiots. Jason Campbell is a young QB, he's going to make costly mistakes -- but if he's not in there making them he will not learn. If you want to look at his stats, and their lack of improvement -- I suggest you also look at how long he's been in a system and allowed to grow and learn the nuances of that particular offense. Every year this kid gets a playbook thrown at him, he spends all offseason studying it and working on it.

[over the mountain]

nice article, a few years down the road JC is really going to benefit from zorns fundamentals, approach and technique.

daseal - no need to indirectly call the man in idiot. i agree with him that JC does sail the ball more than you like to see, puts the ball behind the receiver so they have to reach back and doesnt see the field well so he locks on his intended receiver the whole time or waits until the receiver is open before getting rid of it.

you cant argue with the fact that collins did show us what a knowledgable on-time good read quarterback looks like last year, granted he knows saunders system about as well as anybody. collins showed us what JC lacks before he can be an elite qb and in some ways showed us just how far he has to go in his development. JC does alot of things well like not being bothered by pressure and keeping his eyes down field and is definetly our QB this year and next year but i agree with people who think he lacks and needs to develop certain other qb intangibles before we will start winning consistently. i am a JC fan and believer, no hate.

go skins!

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by goredskins1983

I would rather have Todd Collins start anyways. Granted, he ran an Al Saunders offense that he knew in KC, but he has what it takes to win games and run an offense. his QB rating was about 100, and lead us to 5 straight wins. Its clear Campbell cannot run an offense. He makes too many key mistakes, like the ends of the TB and Dallas games where he threw costly picks. His TD and INT ratio is bad, and his QB rating has been low as well, in the high 70's. The upsetting thing is that his stats show no improvement year to year. We cannot win with him, just look at his record as a starter, its below 500. though collins is old, he really hasnt been banged up much in his career due to being a backup.

Thank goodness Collins didn't make any mistakes when he was under pressure and forced to try to win a game coming from behind. Oh by the way, I didn't catch the playoff game in Seattle, what happened in that one?

[J. Spanky]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Goredskins -- this is why the Redskins typically don't draft. Redskins fans are idiots. Jason Campbell is a young QB, he's going to make costly mistakes -- but if he's not in there making them he will not learn. If you want to look at his stats, and their lack of improvement -- I suggest you also look at how long he's been in a system and allowed to grow and learn the nuances of that particular offense. Every year this kid gets a playbook thrown at him, he spends all offseason studying it and working on it.

woah, woah there. i agree with much of what you've said here. but easy on the "redskins fans are idiots" - REDSKIN FAN.

you'd be much more accurate in concluding that many SPORTS fans, or even just people in general, are idiots. there's actually some pretty sensible, knowledgeable fans here.

[goredskins1983]

SC Skins fan - even with that shit game in Seattle, he still had a QB rating 20 points higher the Campbell when the season was over.

lets review the stats:
Collins was 5 -1 as a starter
Campbell was 4 -7 as a starter
exactly............its all about wins and losses.

[goredskins1983]

or 4-1
vs 5-7

[johnwayne]

todd collins has and will remain a backup....he is a backup, end of story...

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by goredskins1983

SC Skins fan - even with that shit game in Seattle, he still had a QB rating 20 points higher the Campbell when the season was over.

lets review the stats:
Collins was 5 -1 as a starter
Campbell was 4 -7 as a starter
exactly............its all about wins and losses.

Collins played very well at the end of last year, and I think all Redskins fans will hold a special place for him in their hearts for that (well, as long as he doesn't play anymore and end up playing poorly - see Mark Brunell and fans booing him after he took us to the playoffs in 2005). Now, if you are going to go with your 'it's just about wins' then fine, but I'll make several points.

1) Collins also had the benefit of a healthy Santana Moss, a healthy Clinton Portis, and an O-Line that finally came together a bit. Part of the offensive success was certainly due to Collins, but there were other factors too, let's not forget that.

2) If you want to do a comparison why not look at the last 5 games Jason Campbell played (Philadelphia to Chicago) and compare those to the 5 games that Collins started. That leaves out a couple of the best games Campbell had last year too, but what you see is that Campbell was developing as the year progressed. He had two 300 yard games (Collins had zero), he had another game where he threw 3 tds (Collins never did that), he completed over 60% of his passes in all but the Buffalo game (and we all know what was going on that week), and had more TDs than INTs (albeit 6-5).

3) Even if you wanted to make the case the Collins should start (and you might be the only person on here who would do that) then you are saying you want to go with a 37 year old guy who maybe has two years left, take the team away from Campbell and basically abandon him because it would be tough to come back after that. So in one or two years you'll have to go find another QB ... and those aren't so easy to find. Just ask Chicago.

But welcome tot he board nonetheless.

[dblanch66]

Originally Posted by goredskins1983

I would rather have Todd Collins start anyways. Granted, he ran an Al Saunders offense that he knew in KC, but he has what it takes to win games and run an offense. his QB rating was about 100, and lead us to 5 straight wins. Its clear Campbell cannot run an offense. He makes too many key mistakes, like the ends of the TB and Dallas games where he threw costly picks. His TD and INT ratio is bad, and his QB rating has been low as well, in the high 70's. The upsetting thing is that his stats show no improvement year to year. We cannot win with him, just look at his record as a starter, its below 500. though collins is old, he really hasnt been banged up much in his career due to being a backup.