Talib and Manningham Admit Marijuana Use; Draft Status Affected?

SmootSmack · 04-08-2008, 04:00 PM

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The way we hear it, Manningham, despite handling the situation poorly at the Combine with little guidance, is viewed as less of a character risk than Talib, who has been removed from more draft boards than Manningham, based on conversations PFW has had with nine NFL teams.

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MTK · 04-08-2008, 04:07 PM

Talib definitely sounds risky.

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“There is no way I’d touch (Talib),” one team told PFW. “He’s gotten into a lot of trouble, and he still does not get it.”

“He’s got a laundry list of issues,” another team executive said of Talib's off-the-field behavior. “He’s not a one-time offender. Give a guy like him money, and it never gets better. It only gets worse.”

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-08-2008, 04:09 PM

Drop to fourth maybe?

I'd be OK with that.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 04-08-2008, 04:09 PM

one time weed thing isnt that bad. Luis Castillio admitted using steriods and he was a 1st round pick

DGreene28 · 04-08-2008, 04:13 PM

Fred Smoot had some of the same questions when he came out...But Talib was abused by Jordy Nelson and Maurice Purify like he stole something the last few years. I was staying away from him before this came out

Slingin Sammy 33 · 04-08-2008, 04:21 PM

This may be good news for us. Didn't Smoot fall into the 2nd round because of weed issues. He turned out to be a solid player for a 2nd rounder. If Talib falls into the 2nd or 3rd round, he's a steal.

Check out his story, are there any issues in 2007-2008, if not roll the dice with a 2nd rounder or lower, no 1st though.

SmootSmack · 04-08-2008, 04:41 PM

Warren Sapp, Amobi Okoye, and Calvin Johnson all faced similar issues. The concern with Talib seems to be the recurrence and more importantly his blatant disregard.

freddyg12 · 04-08-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Warren Sapp, Amobi Okoye, and Calvin Johnson all faced similar issues. The concern with Talib seems to be the recurrence and more importantly his blatant disregard.

Sapp is the name that always hits me when this stuff comes out at draft time. Sapp fell to 12th & we bypassed him w/the 3rd pick that year for who? Michael Westbrook

I know it's futile to do the coulda, shoulda w/the draft, but that was a draft that epitomized norvelle's term here. We desparately needed help at most all positions on defense, yet he really wanted the big wideout that would be the next M. Irvin.

I digress, I am surprised to hear about Talib. all I'd heard before was that he was a sharp & good guy.

GMScud · 04-08-2008, 04:57 PM

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Fred Smoot had some of the same questions when he came out...But Talib was abused by Jordy Nelson and Maurice Purify like he stole something the last few years. I was staying away from him before this came out

I'm so tired of the Jordy Nelson slurping. Talib got beaten on one play by Nelson, and that one stinkin play is everyone's reference for why we shouldn't draft him.

But repeatedly failing drug tests and not caring about it something to be concerned with. It'll be fun to see Talib's status in Kiper's newest mock draft. He had him jump from #21 to #7 last week. Oops Mel.

Schneed10 · 04-08-2008, 05:04 PM

If you smoke pot on a regular basis or even a semi-regular basis, in my opinion, you're a bad-character guy and have no place on the team (I'll take the Joe Gibbs school of thought anyday). Only exception would be if you're an absolutely unbelievable talent like a Calvin Johnson.

If you admit to smoking pot, but indicate that it's a one-time thing, I'm still going to red-flag you. I wouldn't rule out drafting you, but I'd insist on doing a lot more homework on you. I'd be talking with your high school coaches, the parents of your high school friends, your college coaches, your parents, everybody.

DGreene28 · 04-08-2008, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

I'm so tired of the Jordy Nelson slurping. Talib got beaten on one play by Nelson, and that one stinkin play is everyone's reference for why we shouldn't draft him.

But repeatedly failing drug tests and not caring about it something to be concerned with. It'll be fun to see Talib's status in Kiper's newest mock draft. He had him jump from #21 to #7 last week. Oops Mel.

Jordy had a huge day against Talib who lined up across from him on almost every play:

10 REC,137YDS, 1 TD
You could see the speed issue there on the Nelson TD

He had an even worse performance vs Maurice Purify of Nebraska:

7 REC,158 YDS,3 TD

Talib tried to jam Purify to no avail on 2 of the TD and the ball was lofted over his head for easy TDs.

He looked really bad in these 2 games. If you watch just those 2 games you will not want to spend a 1st or 2nd on him

DGreene28 · 04-08-2008, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

If you smoke pot on a regular basis or even a semi-regular basis, in my opinion, you're a bad-character guy and have no place on the team (I'll take the Joe Gibbs school of thought anyday). Only exception would be if you're an absolutely unbelievable talent like a Calvin Johnson.

If you admit to smoking pot, but indicate that it's a one-time thing, I'm still going to red-flag you. I wouldn't rule out drafting you, but I'd insist on doing a lot more homework on you. I'd be talking with your high school coaches, the parents of your high school friends, your college coaches, your parents, everybody.

NFL teams believe that about 80-90 percent of players coming into the league have smoked marijuana.

Schneed10 · 04-08-2008, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DGreene28

NFL teams believe that about 80-90 percent of players coming into the league have smoked marijuana.

Have smoked or DO smoke?

DGreene28 · 04-08-2008, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Have smoked or DO smoke?

Have smoked.

MTK · 04-08-2008, 05:18 PM

I definitely wouldn't equate smoking pot with bad character. A lot depends on the individual situation.

If we're talking about a chronic user that's failed multiple tests, that's a problem and that's someone that would definitely fall off my draft chart. In this case the bad character thing might hold water.

If someone admits to having done it in the past and they've never tested positive, I wouldn't call that a big issue. There are probably more guys that fall in this category than not.

If someone failed one test but has been clean since, it's a situation to be mindful of but I wouldn't knock someone off my draft chart because of it.

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Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 45 Posts: 12,431	Re: Talib and Manningham Admit Marijuana Use; Draft Status Affected? If you smoke pot on a regular basis or even a semi-regular basis, in my opinion, you're a bad-character guy and have no place on the team (I'll take the Joe Gibbs school of thought anyday). Only exception would be if you're an absolutely unbelievable talent like a Calvin Johnson. If you admit to smoking pot, but indicate that it's a one-time thing, I'm still going to red-flag you. I wouldn't rule out drafting you, but I'd insist on doing a lot more homework on you. I'd be talking with your high school coaches, the parents of your high school friends, your college coaches, your parents, everybody. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

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