Is Tom Brady the best QB ever?

DynamiteRave · 01-25-2008, 11:06 AM

Opinion: Brady trying to end debate about best-ever QB - NFL - MSNBC.com

The article is a bit old, but it's also front page news on Yahoo.com, analysis love to go back and forth about whether he is the best/is going to be the best.

I don't really have a comment because I don't watch the Pats enough to make a decision. All I know is the guy is going for his 4th Superbowl ring and if keeps this up, he's going to run out of fingers.

Just wanted to let you guys share your opinion.

sancho2613 · 01-25-2008, 11:25 AM

I don't think he is but I can understand why some people think he is... This question would be different to everyone since there's really no wrong answer.... I think if he keeps playing how he's playing now he probably will be but I wouldn't consider him the best QB ever but that's just me.... Yet

MTK · 01-25-2008, 11:29 AM

Let's just say by the end of his career he will be in the discussion.

scowan · 01-25-2008, 11:40 AM

How many QB's have won 4 Superbowls? Brady is about to do that. Only Bradshaw comes to mind and the Steelers won with Defense primarily. Brady is putting up ridiculas stats and the Perfect Season is just icing on the cake. I hate the guy, but he will probably be the best ever by the time he is done. He may not own every passing record like Favre, but he will have won more and have more rings. That is how we all measure greatness.

SKINSnCANES · 01-25-2008, 11:44 AM

Joe Montana won four super bowls, theres an article on espn from last week that lists their opinion of the top qb performances in the super bowl. doug williams was third, all of montana made the top 25 including first. Ill try and find the link, someoen probably put it on the site.

So by Brady breaking Mannings record this year does that end the "Brandy for Manning" argument. Because it used to be Mannings stats vs Bradys rings, now they both have rings, but brady has two more (possibly three), and his stats this year were top notch.

SFREDSKIN · 01-25-2008, 12:10 PM

I hate the term "best ever". You could say one of the best, from Slinging Sammy Baugh, Johnny U, Terry Bradshaw, Snake Stabler, Dan Marino, Joe Montana, John Elway, Brett Favre, Tom Brady and I know I missed some. How can you say best ever? Some were fortunate to be surrounded by a great team/teams (Montana, Bradshaw) others due to the system, different eras, etc. I would equate them all the same.

dmek25 · 01-25-2008, 12:11 PM

i never really thought about Brady being a top tier qback, until now. he has to be mentioned with the likes of Montana and Bradshaw, if they win it this year. for me, its all about the wins

SKINSnCANES · 01-25-2008, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

i never really thought about Brady being a top tier qback, until now. he has to be mentioned with the likes of Montana and Bradshaw, if they win it this year. for me, its all about the wins

Was Terry Bradshaw a good QB or just a product or a great team? Im not aruging I just never saw him play.

I was in a job interview the other day and the guy wanted to hire me even though I wasnt an exact fit for the job, and he said "I take the Chuck Knoll approach, Terry Bradshaw wasnt predicted to be a good Qb but he was a great atlete that he made fit into a system. You draft talent not role players"

Monkeydad · 01-25-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by scowan

How many QB's have won 4 Superbowls? Brady is about to do that. Only Bradshaw comes to mind and the Steelers won with Defense primarily. Brady is putting up ridiculas stats and the Perfect Season is just icing on the cake. I hate the guy, but he will probably be the best ever by the time he is done. He may not own every passing record like Favre, but he will have won more and have more rings. That is how we all measure greatness.

So you consider Terry Bradshaw one of the best ever because he won four SBs?

Even horrible/mediocre QBs can be on a SB winning team. Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Kurt Warner, Jeff Hostetler, Jim McMahon...

Rex Grossman was on a team that nearly won a SB.

Brady has played on some great teams, but he's nowhere near being up in the class of Unitas, Montana, Elway, Marino and the best ever. At least, yet...

celts32 · 01-25-2008, 12:20 PM

Yes...hands down he is. I give him most of the credit for the Pats. After having 1 winning season out of 5 in Cleveland, Belichek was 5-13 in the 1st 18 games of his coaching tenure with the Pats before Bledsoe got hurt and Brady entered the picture. They became a winning team imediately when Brady got on the field. 3 Super Bowls later and a 4th on the way it is clear that Tom Brady is the best QB of all time and by the time he retires there will be no discussion at all.

Finslady · 01-25-2008, 12:25 PM

First, I have to say I am biased. I hate Brady. I despise him. I hate the fact that when he throws an interception, he runs to the opposite side of the field to where the ball is, yet is the first to trash talk to a defender. You don't see Manning doing this. He goes for the tackle (he may fail miserably, but at least he tries). As far as Superbowl rings, I do not, and never have, seen these as an individual accomplishment. It is the compilation of an entire team and coaching staff that wins a Superbowl. The Patriots are an excellent team :vomit:. Belicheat is an excellent coach :vomit:. Brady is an excellent QB :vomit:. If the Patriots win the Superbowl, they will be the best team in history :vomit:. However, I believe that if Manning was a Patriot, those rings would be his; if Favre was a Patriot, those rings would be his; if Marino (in his prime) was a Patriot, those rings would be his. I could go on. I'm not trying to take anything away from Brady or his accomplishments and record setting year. I'm just not ready to crown him yet either.

#56fanatic · 01-25-2008, 12:27 PM

I definately think if he does win a 4th superbowl - at his young age - he will probably go down as the best ever to play - right now I would say he is one of the top QB's to play. this season is impressive, no doubt. but take a look at his previous rings, they are more impressive to me given the talent that was around him. This season's offense has so much talent from top to bottom you kind of expect the amazing season. The previous 3 bowls were on teams that had decent talent, but not overwhelming like this years.

QBall · 01-25-2008, 12:27 PM

I'm afraid he's the best ever. Noone better than him ever at QB in NFL. That's the whole package of SuperBowls, Leadership, Winning, STATS, and toughness.

Longtimefan · 01-25-2008, 12:29 PM

I have always met with great difficulty in digesting that best ever concept. While most will agree Brady is a fine QB, best ever will be argued.

I've had the good fortune to witness the work of so many very good QB's through the years, long before Super Bowls, or before many of the stats that are kept today were kept. There have been so many different era's in the history of the game that it's difficult to sit on one point in time and say, this one, or that one is the greatest.

MTK · 01-25-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I hate the term "best ever". You could say one of the best, from Slinging Sammy Baugh, Johnny U, Terry Bradshaw, Snake Stabler, Dan Marino, Joe Montana, John Elway, Brett Favre, Tom Brady and I know I missed some. How can you say best ever? Some were fortunate to be surrounded by a great team/teams (Montana, Bradshaw) others due to the system, different eras, etc. I would equate them all the same.

I agree. I don't think there's a consensus "best ever" and there shouldn't be. It's too tough to compare players across different eras.

01-25-2008, 11:06 AM	#1
DynamiteRave Living Legend Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Washington DC Age: 38 Posts: 16,867	Is Tom Brady the best QB ever? Opinion: Brady trying to end debate about best-ever QB - NFL - MSNBC.com The article is a bit old, but it's also front page news on Yahoo.com, analysis love to go back and forth about whether he is the best/is going to be the best. I don't really have a comment because I don't watch the Pats enough to make a decision. All I know is the guy is going for his 4th Superbowl ring and if keeps this up, he's going to run out of fingers. Just wanted to let you guys share your opinion. __________________ Establishment, establishment, you always know what's best. I've been a part of this message board for 17 years. Damn I'm old.

01-25-2008, 11:25 AM	#2
sancho2613 Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 199	Re: Is Tom Brady the best QB ever? I don't think he is but I can understand why some people think he is... This question would be different to everyone since there's really no wrong answer.... I think if he keeps playing how he's playing now he probably will be but I wouldn't consider him the best QB ever but that's just me.... Yet __________________ It doesn't take talent to win...just blood, sweat, heart, tears, time, and a good coach.

01-25-2008, 11:29 AM	#3
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01-25-2008, 11:40 AM	#4
scowan The Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: KY Age: 55 Posts: 1,559	Re: Is Tom Brady the best QB ever? How many QB's have won 4 Superbowls? Brady is about to do that. Only Bradshaw comes to mind and the Steelers won with Defense primarily. Brady is putting up ridiculas stats and the Perfect Season is just icing on the cake. I hate the guy, but he will probably be the best ever by the time he is done. He may not own every passing record like Favre, but he will have won more and have more rings. That is how we all measure greatness.

01-25-2008, 12:10 PM	#6
SFREDSKIN Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 15,164	Re: Is Tom Brady the best QB ever? I hate the term "best ever". You could say one of the best, from Slinging Sammy Baugh, Johnny U, Terry Bradshaw, Snake Stabler, Dan Marino, Joe Montana, John Elway, Brett Favre, Tom Brady and I know I missed some. How can you say best ever? Some were fortunate to be surrounded by a great team/teams (Montana, Bradshaw) others due to the system, different eras, etc. I would equate them all the same. __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

01-25-2008, 11:44 AM	#5
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	Re: Is Tom Brady the best QB ever? Joe Montana won four super bowls, theres an article on espn from last week that lists their opinion of the top qb performances in the super bowl. doug williams was third, all of montana made the top 25 including first. Ill try and find the link, someoen probably put it on the site. So by Brady breaking Mannings record this year does that end the "Brandy for Manning" argument. Because it used to be Mannings stats vs Bradys rings, now they both have rings, but brady has two more (possibly three), and his stats this year were top notch. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

01-25-2008, 12:11 PM	#7
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Is Tom Brady the best QB ever? i never really thought about Brady being a top tier qback, until now. he has to be mentioned with the likes of Montana and Bradshaw, if they win it this year. for me, its all about the wins __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

01-25-2008, 12:20 PM	#10
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 53 Posts: 2,665	Re: Is Tom Brady the best QB ever? Yes...hands down he is. I give him most of the credit for the Pats. After having 1 winning season out of 5 in Cleveland, Belichek was 5-13 in the 1st 18 games of his coaching tenure with the Pats before Bledsoe got hurt and Brady entered the picture. They became a winning team imediately when Brady got on the field. 3 Super Bowls later and a 4th on the way it is clear that Tom Brady is the best QB of all time and by the time he retires there will be no discussion at all. __________________ Section 116 Row 19 “Goal line, goal line. I-left, tight wing, 70 chip on white.” www.facebook.com/HackettstownBeerClub

01-25-2008, 12:25 PM	#11
Finslady Camp Scrub Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 48	Re: Is Tom Brady the best QB ever? First, I have to say I am biased. I hate Brady. I despise him. I hate the fact that when he throws an interception, he runs to the opposite side of the field to where the ball is, yet is the first to trash talk to a defender. You don't see Manning doing this. He goes for the tackle (he may fail miserably, but at least he tries). As far as Superbowl rings, I do not, and never have, seen these as an individual accomplishment. It is the compilation of an entire team and coaching staff that wins a Superbowl. The Patriots are an excellent team :vomit:. Belicheat is an excellent coach :vomit:. Brady is an excellent QB :vomit:. If the Patriots win the Superbowl, they will be the best team in history :vomit:. However, I believe that if Manning was a Patriot, those rings would be his; if Favre was a Patriot, those rings would be his; if Marino (in his prime) was a Patriot, those rings would be his. I could go on. I'm not trying to take anything away from Brady or his accomplishments and record setting year. I'm just not ready to crown him yet either. __________________ I am a Dolphins fan living in New England. You may call me brave or foolhardy, but I wear my shame with dignity!!!

01-25-2008, 12:27 PM	#12
#56fanatic The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte NC Age: 50 Posts: 1,801	Re: Is Tom Brady the best QB ever? I definately think if he does win a 4th superbowl - at his young age - he will probably go down as the best ever to play - right now I would say he is one of the top QB's to play. this season is impressive, no doubt. but take a look at his previous rings, they are more impressive to me given the talent that was around him. This season's offense has so much talent from top to bottom you kind of expect the amazing season. The previous 3 bowls were on teams that had decent talent, but not overwhelming like this years.

01-25-2008, 12:27 PM	#13
QBall Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 351	Re: Is Tom Brady the best QB ever? I'm afraid he's the best ever. Noone better than him ever at QB in NFL. That's the whole package of SuperBowls, Leadership, Winning, STATS, and toughness. __________________ IT WAS THE TIME OF THE PREACHER.............IN THE YEAR OF 01'. NOW THAT THE LESSON IS OVER, THE KILLINGS BEGUN.......

01-25-2008, 12:29 PM	#14
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Is Tom Brady the best QB ever? I have always met with great difficulty in digesting that best ever concept. While most will agree Brady is a fine QB, best ever will be argued. I've had the good fortune to witness the work of so many very good QB's through the years, long before Super Bowls, or before many of the stats that are kept today were kept. There have been so many different era's in the history of the game that it's difficult to sit on one point in time and say, this one, or that one is the greatest. __________________ A revolution is coming and it will be televised.

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