Rooney rule question

SFREDSKIN · 01-21-2008, 05:19 PM

If Dungy steps down @ 4:30pm est, do they automatically make Caldwell the HC or do they have to interview caucasian coaches as part of the Rooney rule?

Longtimefan · 01-21-2008, 05:30 PM

Not if it's so stipulated in his contract that he is to become the successor in the event Dungy steps aside.

firstdown · 01-21-2008, 05:31 PM

They have to interview a white guy.

Landryisabeast30 · 01-21-2008, 05:39 PM

Well the Colts dont have to worry about that because he's going to come back next season, said ESPN.

Paintrain · 01-21-2008, 05:45 PM

No, the Rooney rule stipulates that a minority candidate must be interviewed as part of the process. In Indy's case, no other interviewees are required.

mlmpetert · 01-21-2008, 06:18 PM

Rooney Rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"However, the rule does not apply if an assistant coach has language in his contract guaranteeing him the starting job in case of an opening. "

Didnt know you had to have a guaranteed clause in your contact, just thought if they went with anyone in house the rule didnt apply.

hooskins · 01-21-2008, 06:36 PM

Dungy is coaching next year at Indy.

IggyG · 01-21-2008, 07:49 PM

I think the Rooney rule is ridiculous! If a an owner wants to hire a coach that is white he shouldnt have to interview a minority. A good coach is a good coach. Whether he'd be black, white, hispanic, jewish, blue, green, orange...it doesnt matter. Hire who you want without any stipulations is what I say.

sportscurmudgeon · 01-21-2008, 11:50 PM

If the Rooney Rule were REALLY about hiring/interviewing minorities in all coaching searches, then the Colts would be required to interview a minority other than a Black man if Caldwell is their anointed successor. Shouldn't they be required to interview an Asian Pacific Islander? There are players of that ethnicity in the league but not a whole lot of head coaches of that ethnicity.

The Rooney Rule is not about "minorities"; it is merely stated that way to make it less offensive.

rypper11 · 01-22-2008, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IggyG

I think the Rooney rule is ridiculous! If a an owner wants to hire a coach that is white he shouldnt have to interview a minority. A good coach is a good coach. Whether he'd be black, white, hispanic, jewish, blue, green, orange...it doesnt matter. Hire who you want without any stipulations is what I say.

I like the Rooney Rule. I think that it has helped good black coaches gain some experience in the interviewing process which has helped them land jobs on staffs and ultimately get HC jobs. I would like the rule expanded to say that at least 5 people must be fully interviewed and at least one be a minority (though not all). This would help the NFL overall to find new guys instead of the same retreads just switching teams and getting fired 3 -4 years later. Most guys aren't hired as HC for the first job they interview.

What I do hate is the outcry over the number of black coaches in the NFL overall. The typical argument is that in a league where the players are predominately black, the coaches should be too. However, in this country the general population is still majority white (for now). Time and time again we have seen that the best coaches aren't the best players. Spurrier played in the NFL, but Gibbs didn't. Who is the better HC? A few good coaches have played in the league (though I believe Dikta is the only one to win a Super Bowl as player and coach, Reeves coached in SB's but didn't win). Neither SB coach played in the league (though Belichick's dad did). So it would stand to reason that the percentage of blacks and whites in coaching should be proportional to the general population, not to the percentages of players.

Finslady · 01-22-2008, 10:17 AM

I have a question and I'm going to use the Dolphins as an example. I think everybody here knows that when Parcells took over and hired Ireland that Tony Sparano was the man they wanted as their head coach. Of course, nothing in this league is gauranteed and Sparano had interviewed with other teams. Parcells/Ireland then went on to interview a few other candidates, ALL of which had ties to both of them in some way and were people with whom they felt shared their same philosiphies. There was one exception. Len Fraizier of the Vikings. He had no ties to either Parcells/Ireland and all reports (that I read) indicated that he had a different coaching style than what Miami was looking for. So why bring him in? He is black. He was there to satisfy the Rooney Rule. Now, this is just me, but I'd find that insulting knowing the only reason I'm being considered is the color of my skin. So here's my question: If Fraizier had turned down the interview feeling he was never a serious candidate to begin with, do we just move on to the next poster black man? I know Parcells was interested in Romeo but the Browns wanted too much for his so he wasn't interviewed. Miami knew what they wanted, and they wanted Sparano. If Sparano was black they still would have wanted him. It just seems to me that it's not about color when you're looking for the best guy for the job. Does anybody really care what color Tony Dungy is?

rypper11 · 01-22-2008, 11:33 AM

Using the Dolphins example, if Frazier get's the Falcon's job (which he is still being considered for) or a job next year (isn't it time for Millen to blow up the coaching staff in Detroit soon?) I believe that he will be appreciative of going through the process with Ireland and Tuna. The only way to be a good interview is to go through the process and then honestly evaluate how you did and work on that for the next interview. This is why I like the Rooney rule. In the past Parcells would have implemented his guys the day after Dallas lost.
BTW didn't Maurice Carthon interview for the position too? I saw it rumored but never confirmed.

redskins411 · 01-22-2008, 08:20 PM

I like the fact that Rooney actually used the "Rooney Rule" and got a great head coach in Mike Tomlin. I don't think he would have been considered if this rule was not in place. Was Russ Grimm happy about this? Probably not but I think Pittsburgh made the right choice. The Rooney Rule can work. It just may need to be tweaked a little.

halidouepics · 01-23-2008, 12:09 PM

My problem with the Rooney rule is that I believe black candidates will get interviews simply to abide by the rule when they might not have a chance in hell of getting the job and it could have nothing to do with their actual interview, but the owner simply knowing who he wants to hire. I'm afraid it creates a lot of bs interviews and I'm not sure that's in the best interest of black coaches.

Certainly with Pittsburgh, the Rooney rule worked. But in using that example, shouldn't it be relevant that the Rooneys helped get it established? Certainly they were already open to this idea. I'd like to see it work in the same way somewhere else.

redskins411 · 01-23-2008, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by halidouepics

My problem with the Rooney rule is that I believe black candidates will get interviews simply to abide by the rule when they might not have a chance in hell of getting the job and it could have nothing to do with their actual interview, but the owner simply knowing who he wants to hire. I'm afraid it creates a lot of bs interviews and I'm not sure that's in the best interest of black coaches.

Certainly with Pittsburgh, the Rooney rule worked. But in using that example, shouldn't it be relevant that the Rooneys helped get it established? Certainly they were already open to this idea. I'd like to see it work in the same way somewhere else.

I did mention it.

01-21-2008, 05:19 PM	#1
SFREDSKIN Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 15,164	Rooney rule question If Dungy steps down @ 4:30pm est, do they automatically make Caldwell the HC or do they have to interview caucasian coaches as part of the Rooney rule? __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

01-21-2008, 05:30 PM	#2
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Rooney rule question Not if it's so stipulated in his contract that he is to become the successor in the event Dungy steps aside.

01-21-2008, 05:31 PM	#3
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 60 Posts: 15,817	Re: Rooney rule question They have to interview a white guy.

01-21-2008, 05:39 PM	#4
Landryisabeast30 Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: greensboro,nc Posts: 3	Re: Rooney rule question Well the Colts dont have to worry about that because he's going to come back next season, said ESPN.

01-21-2008, 05:45 PM	#5
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	Re: Rooney rule question No, the Rooney rule stipulates that a minority candidate must be interviewed as part of the process. In Indy's case, no other interviewees are required. __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

01-21-2008, 06:18 PM	#6
mlmpetert Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Richmond Posts: 3,261	Re: Rooney rule question Rooney Rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia "However, the rule does not apply if an assistant coach has language in his contract guaranteeing him the starting job in case of an opening. " Didnt know you had to have a guaranteed clause in your contact, just thought if they went with anyone in house the rule didnt apply.

01-21-2008, 06:36 PM	#7
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 37 Posts: 8,606	Re: Rooney rule question Dungy is coaching next year at Indy. __________________ Vacancy

01-21-2008, 07:49 PM	#8
IggyG Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 37	Re: Rooney rule question I think the Rooney rule is ridiculous! If a an owner wants to hire a coach that is white he shouldnt have to interview a minority. A good coach is a good coach. Whether he'd be black, white, hispanic, jewish, blue, green, orange...it doesnt matter. Hire who you want without any stipulations is what I say.

01-21-2008, 11:50 PM	#9
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Rooney rule question If the Rooney Rule were REALLY about hiring/interviewing minorities in all coaching searches, then the Colts would be required to interview a minority other than a Black man if Caldwell is their anointed successor. Shouldn't they be required to interview an Asian Pacific Islander? There are players of that ethnicity in the league but not a whole lot of head coaches of that ethnicity. The Rooney Rule is not about "minorities"; it is merely stated that way to make it less offensive. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

01-22-2008, 10:17 AM	#11
Finslady Camp Scrub Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 48	Re: Rooney rule question I have a question and I'm going to use the Dolphins as an example. I think everybody here knows that when Parcells took over and hired Ireland that Tony Sparano was the man they wanted as their head coach. Of course, nothing in this league is gauranteed and Sparano had interviewed with other teams. Parcells/Ireland then went on to interview a few other candidates, ALL of which had ties to both of them in some way and were people with whom they felt shared their same philosiphies. There was one exception. Len Fraizier of the Vikings. He had no ties to either Parcells/Ireland and all reports (that I read) indicated that he had a different coaching style than what Miami was looking for. So why bring him in? He is black. He was there to satisfy the Rooney Rule. Now, this is just me, but I'd find that insulting knowing the only reason I'm being considered is the color of my skin. So here's my question: If Fraizier had turned down the interview feeling he was never a serious candidate to begin with, do we just move on to the next poster black man? I know Parcells was interested in Romeo but the Browns wanted too much for his so he wasn't interviewed. Miami knew what they wanted, and they wanted Sparano. If Sparano was black they still would have wanted him. It just seems to me that it's not about color when you're looking for the best guy for the job. Does anybody really care what color Tony Dungy is? __________________ I am a Dolphins fan living in New England. You may call me brave or foolhardy, but I wear my shame with dignity!!!

01-22-2008, 11:33 AM	#12
rypper11 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,228	Re: Rooney rule question Using the Dolphins example, if Frazier get's the Falcon's job (which he is still being considered for) or a job next year (isn't it time for Millen to blow up the coaching staff in Detroit soon?) I believe that he will be appreciative of going through the process with Ireland and Tuna. The only way to be a good interview is to go through the process and then honestly evaluate how you did and work on that for the next interview. This is why I like the Rooney rule. In the past Parcells would have implemented his guys the day after Dallas lost. BTW didn't Maurice Carthon interview for the position too? I saw it rumored but never confirmed. __________________ Playing a kids game for a kings ransom.

01-22-2008, 08:20 PM	#13
redskins411 Camp Scrub Join Date: May 2007 Location: Nova Age: 48 Posts: 30	Re: Rooney rule question I like the fact that Rooney actually used the "Rooney Rule" and got a great head coach in Mike Tomlin. I don't think he would have been considered if this rule was not in place. Was Russ Grimm happy about this? Probably not but I think Pittsburgh made the right choice. The Rooney Rule can work. It just may need to be tweaked a little.

01-23-2008, 12:09 PM	#14
halidouepics Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 12	Re: Rooney rule question My problem with the Rooney rule is that I believe black candidates will get interviews simply to abide by the rule when they might not have a chance in hell of getting the job and it could have nothing to do with their actual interview, but the owner simply knowing who he wants to hire. I'm afraid it creates a lot of bs interviews and I'm not sure that's in the best interest of black coaches. Certainly with Pittsburgh, the Rooney rule worked. But in using that example, shouldn't it be relevant that the Rooneys helped get it established? Certainly they were already open to this idea. I'd like to see it work in the same way somewhere else.

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