ST Murder Investigation Thread

[BleedBurgundy]

Ok... I don't have anymore updates on the investigation but looking around the board this morning I see a couple of new threads dedicated to this or that that could be construed as having ties to the investigation. I thought this thread might be a good place to consolidate any info pertaining to the investigation of Sean's murder.

I know this only happened a few short days ago and I want to be careful how I word this but... Personally, my grief has changed, from "I can't believe he's gone" to "let's get these motherfuckers who did this."

Every update that I have read on the investigation so far seems to show that the cops are pushing the idea that this was a random event. I don't see how they have come to that conclusion. What worries me is this will be in the news until the funeral and then gradually lose steam in the week following. Without the pressure of national attention, the police may simply start to write it off as a failed burglary or whatever. To me, that is just a nice way of saying, "We don't have a clue and it's just easiest to say it was random, therefore there isn't much to investigate."

I want to see the person responsible for this brought to justice. I want answers for his family. Anybody who has any updates on what's going on down in Miami, please post them here.

[Sammy Baugh Fan]

I want the person caught and this may seem strange to some but I have forgiven the killer in my heart. Yes, I want justice but I pray for the soul of the killer. That he repents for what he has done and turns himself in to accept punishment for his actions.

Lord,, convict the killer in his own heart so that he repents and turns himself[s] in.

Good thread
mike

[BrunellMVP?]

While we certainly don't have enough facts yet, I personally don't see how it was random either...I find it curious that:

1) a knife left on the bed 8 days earlier. (was anything stolen?)
2) a life long good friend is saying people back home had it out for him (for 3 years), which is not hard to imagine (jealousy).

[WillH]

Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

While we certainly don't have enough facts yet, I personally don't see how it was random either...I find it curious that:

1) a knife left on the bed 8 days earlier. (was anything stolen?)
2) a life long good friend is saying people back home had it out for him (for 3 years), which is not hard to imagine (jealousy).

And not only jealousy, I think someone said that he stopped hanging out with his old crew. Sometimes with those type of cliques its a lifetime membership, and when you ditch them, they come after you.

I agree that it sounds like they've got nothing, and it seems Sharpenstein (sp?) thinks there is more to it too. Hopefully he'll do everything he can to make sure they at least exhaust every lead.

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As SBF said, however, I have forgiven the killer already. I pity him, and I have faith that he will come to justice in this life or the next. I know it is a bit soon, but hate breeding in your soul is never a healthy thing, however warranted it may be. I refuse to carry the burden of another mans sin in my heart. I would rather focus my energy on commemorating our beloved fallen hero, and moving on. As sad as it may seem, that is the next step. So I forgive, but Ill never forget.

P.S. I do hope they find him, I just can't bank my emotions on that, it isnt a healthy thing for me. Not to say others can't or shouldn't, just my own personal beliefs

[BleedBurgundy]

You guys are better people than I am. I mean that. I'm a firm believer in eye for an eye.

[ingibbswetrust]

This is a post on extreme skins (not my own). The only thing that doenst make sense to me, is that the bedroom door was supposedly kicked down. Midnight robbers dont kick down doors, they tiptoe around a house and make as little noise as possible. However, I read somewhere else that the actual shooting took place in the hallway outside the bedroom. If this is true then maybe it was just somebody trying to get into his safe. Perhaps, they tried to use a kitchen knife on the safe the first time round and accidentally forgot it on the bed?

"I dont think this was a hit anymore. Think about it.
1. If it was a hit, dont you think that the shots would have been to his body or head?
2. If this was purposeful, why would the assilant leave a witness to the shooting. he has alreay proven he has no repect for life, so why not kill the rest of the family?
3. If this was a hit, why did they not stick around to make sure the victim was finished?

Here is what I think went down...

The week prior, these same theives broke into Seans home looking for loot. Seeing there was nothing of value out in the open, they naturally went for the safe. Safe was locked and they could not get inot it. They leave the premesis.
One week later, they come back with the correct tools to finishe the job. Assuming noone is home again (remember... Sean was not supposed to be there. He decided last minute to get a second opinion on his knee from his personal doctor the same day) they broke into the home again. This time, they knew where the safe was and headed straight for it. But instead of finding an empty bedroom, they ran into a crazed man with a machete, trying to defend his family. They shoot blindly (due to the shock) and get one in his leg/groin and flee the scene.

A true unfortunate set of events. I feel sorry the family, but I dont htink Sean had many enemies that were out to kill him.

Thats my take anyway. I could be wrong. Either way, Sean will me missed."

[BleedBurgundy]

Re: the shot in the leg meaning this wasn't a hit... I don't know how I feel about that. I don't know how many of us here are active shooters. I own Berretta PX4 Storm .45 and I shoot just about every weekend. There is a lot of play in handgun accuracy. Depending upon how far away the assailant was when they shot and their ability, it's very conceivable that they were simply aiming for center of mass. One thing is for certain- They were not "aiming" for his femoral artery. When you add that to the fact that alot of people learn to shoot from what they see in John Woo movies, you get the idea that they most likely weren't aiming for the groin, leg area. The fact that they missed with the other shot says they were most likely not point blank range.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by ingibbswetrust

Here is what I think went down...

The week prior, these same theives broke into Seans home looking for loot. Seeing there was nothing of value out in the open, they naturally went for the safe. Safe was locked and they could not get inot it. They leave the premesis.
One week later, they come back with the correct tools to finishe the job. Assuming noone is home again (remember... Sean was not supposed to be there. He decided last minute to get a second opinion on his knee from his personal doctor the same day) they broke into the home again. This time, they knew where the safe was and headed straight for it. But instead of finding an empty bedroom, they ran into a crazed man with a machete, trying to defend his family. They shoot blindly (due to the shock) and get one in his leg/groin and flee the scene.

A true unfortunate set of events. I feel sorry the family, but I dont htink Sean had many enemies that were out to kill him.

That is exactly how I think it happened, too.

It could also have been that they did know Sean was there and their plan was to coerce him into opening the safe (gun to head, etc). When he came at them w/ the knife, they shot, got scared, and abandoned the plan.

Who knows, though. We won't for a while (if ever), and I feel bad for even postulating about it at this time.

[Stacks42]

I just hope he cut one of the bastards in the struggle (if there even was one).

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by ingibbswetrust

This is a post on extreme skins (not my own). The only thing that doenst make sense to me, is that the bedroom door was supposedly kicked down. Midnight robbers dont kick down doors, they tiptoe around a house and make as little noise as possible. However, I read somewhere else that the actual shooting took place in the hallway outside the bedroom. If this is true then maybe it was just somebody trying to get into his safe. Perhaps, they tried to use a kitchen knife on the safe the first time round and accidentally forgot it on the bed?

"I dont think this was a hit anymore. Think about it.
1. If it was a hit, dont you think that the shots would have been to his body or head?
2. If this was purposeful, why would the assilant leave a witness to the shooting. he has alreay proven he has no repect for life, so why not kill the rest of the family?
3. If this was a hit, why did they not stick around to make sure the victim was finished?

Here is what I think went down...

The week prior, these same theives broke into Seans home looking for loot. Seeing there was nothing of value out in the open, they naturally went for the safe. Safe was locked and they could not get inot it. They leave the premesis.
One week later, they come back with the correct tools to finishe the job. Assuming noone is home again (remember... Sean was not supposed to be there. He decided last minute to get a second opinion on his knee from his personal doctor the same day) they broke into the home again. This time, they knew where the safe was and headed straight for it. But instead of finding an empty bedroom, they ran into a crazed man with a machete, trying to defend his family. They shoot blindly (due to the shock) and get one in his leg/groin and flee the scene.

A true unfortunate set of events. I feel sorry the family, but I dont htink Sean had many enemies that were out to kill him.

Thats my take anyway. I could be wrong. Either way, Sean will me missed."

I never thought of it that way. You could be right. But I always come back to the ATV ordeal. His SUV was shot up with 10-15 bullets? Whoever did that wanted ST dead. And I think they came back two years later to finish the job.

[irish]

I think it will play out that this was not a random act and those that shot ST had some kind of history with him. 15 bullets in an SUV is a definite message. I'm not sure they really wanted to kill St but they did want to send a message and hurt him bad so I'm not surprised that when they saw ST had been shot (and the gushing blood likely told them he was hurt really bad) they left. As for his GF being a witness if the shooters were in the hall outside the bedroom then I suspect she didnt see much as she was likely covering the little girl.

[BrunellMVP?]

Originally Posted by ingibbswetrust

This is a post on extreme skins (not my own). The only thing that doenst make sense to me, is that the bedroom door was supposedly kicked down. Midnight robbers dont kick down doors, they tiptoe around a house and make as little noise as possible. However, I read somewhere else that the actual shooting took place in the hallway outside the bedroom. If this is true then maybe it was just somebody trying to get into his safe. Perhaps, they tried to use a kitchen knife on the safe the first time round and accidentally forgot it on the bed?

"I dont think this was a hit anymore. Think about it.
1. If it was a hit, dont you think that the shots would have been to his body or head?
2. If this was purposeful, why would the assilant leave a witness to the shooting. he has alreay proven he has no repect for life, so why not kill the rest of the family?
3. If this was a hit, why did they not stick around to make sure the victim was finished?

Here is what I think went down...

The week prior, these same theives broke into Seans home looking for loot. Seeing there was nothing of value out in the open, they naturally went for the safe. Safe was locked and they could not get inot it. They leave the premesis.
One week later, they come back with the correct tools to finishe the job. Assuming noone is home again (remember... Sean was not supposed to be there. He decided last minute to get a second opinion on his knee from his personal doctor the same day) they broke into the home again. This time, they knew where the safe was and headed straight for it. But instead of finding an empty bedroom, they ran into a crazed man with a machete, trying to defend his family. They shoot blindly (due to the shock) and get one in his leg/groin and flee the scene.

A true unfortunate set of events. I feel sorry the family, but I dont htink Sean had many enemies that were out to kill him.

Thats my take anyway. I could be wrong. Either way, Sean will me missed."

I could buy this theory but what about the knife left on the pillow the first go round? are they really that sloppy? Seems like a message...but at the same point, it also appears too unprofessional to a hit (based upon what i've read). The leg wound is odd, could it have been a reaction to seeing a man with a machete as you surmise? Could it have been a deliberate shot to end the career, and not necessarily the life of a football player? I'm not sure...

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

I could buy this theory but what about the knife left on the pillow the first go round? are they really that sloppy? Seems like a message...but at the same point, it also appears too unprofessional to a hit (based upon what i've read). The leg wound is odd, could it have been a reaction to seeing a man with a machete as you surmise? Could it have been a deliberate shot to end the career, and not necessarily the life of a football player? I'm not sure...

I want to make a statement here. Unlike the movies, no one shoots anyone to wound. Especially when that someone is a two hundred plus pound, 6'2" world class athlete with a machete. If someone had the accuracy to hit his groin while he was coming at them, they wouldn't of missed with the second shot. It's just not plausible. IF they were going to shoot to wound and leave a message, there would have been the requisite amount of guys to subdue him after which he would have been secured, then shot wherever they wanted at point blank range.

[courtney07]

I have a sick feeling that they'll never find who did it

I hate how they're calling it a burglary.. when you take into account the sole fact that a week before someone broke in and left a knife on the bed, it was NOT a darn burglary.. no way.. that was a threat... and if it was a burglary, they would have:

A. taken what they wanted the first time around or
B. would have shot more than just Sean; since no one else was harmed in the slightest bit, that makes it very fishy..

Sean was targeted; I believe that whole heartedly.

[BleedBurgundy]

You can't tell me that house wasn't chock full of Flat Panel TV's and other expensive items. If this was a robbery, I guarantee they could have found SOMETHING to take the first time around.