The sky is falling - Dr. Z will vote for Monk

JoeRedskin · 11-08-2007, 12:40 PM

Could this be it? Finally??

After last year's debacle, I just don't know anymore.

I was convinced after King changed his vote that Monk was a shoe-in.

Hopefully this changes it and the man FINALLY gets what he deserves.

SI.com - Writers - Dr. Z: My votes off the preliminary Hall of Fame ballot - Thursday November 8, 2007 9:34AM

"And now we come to Art Monk.

I'm tired of being a negative. I'm tired of all the impassioned letters asking me what did he ever do to me. I've been thinking long and hard about this. OK, he caught a lot of short passes but he also bought a lot of first downs, and he was a terrific team guy, well-respected and a pleasure from whom to borrow money."

I still think its a back-handed approach and doesn't properly credit Monk for ALL of his on the field attributes - but, if it removes an obstacle to Monk's election, I am all for it.

JoeRedskin · 11-08-2007, 12:43 PM

He also has Darrell Green as the number one corner to be inducted.

BleedBurgundy · 11-08-2007, 12:45 PM

I saw this earlier this morning... was afraid to post another dup thread! Anywho... FINALLY. I hope this wine monkey can swing enough votes Art's way to get him in the hall. I agree that Carter is hall-worthy but not necessarily first ballot worthy. Especially after all of that scheisse he was talking a month or so ago about Monk not having enough pro bowl appearances to warrant induction... #28 and #81 in the same year would be amazing.

SC Skins Fan · 11-08-2007, 01:08 PM

As I read it he was saying he was voting for those guys to be put on the list of 15 finalists, I'm not sure that guarantees his vote for induction. I'm just saying, he ticks off quite a list of names on there and what, only six or seven can possibly get in right?

MTK · 11-08-2007, 01:09 PM

I just don't why it's taken so long for guys like King and Z. to wake the F up.

REDSKIN2 · 11-08-2007, 01:16 PM

Chris Carter - All he does is lose conference championship games.

MTK · 11-08-2007, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by REDSKIN2

Chris Carter - All he does is lose conference championship games.

And look like a California Raisin.

Beemnseven · 11-08-2007, 01:18 PM

You watch -- he still won't get in.

BleedBurgundy · 11-08-2007, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

And look like a California Raisin.

LOL. I wonder if he'll do the dance if he gets in?

JWsleep · 11-08-2007, 01:42 PM

After this long, I will not believe it until I see it. But this is encouraging.

JoeRedskin · 11-08-2007, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

As I read it he was saying he was voting for those guys to be put on the list of 15 finalists, I'm not sure that guarantees his vote for induction. I'm just saying, he ticks off quite a list of names on there and what, only six or seven can possibly get in right?

Yes. You're right. At the same time, I think when it comes down to the final vote, he is not going to stand in the way this time and won't vote him down. Perhaps with Lenny S. actively working to get Monk in and King's and Z's obstructionism gone, Art might just get enough votes to get in.

dmek25 · 11-08-2007, 03:02 PM

anyone know Chris Carters career stats? they cant be anywhere close to Monks. and ill bet Gary Clark's are at least as good. and what about that so called drug problem....

jamf · 11-08-2007, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

anyone know Chris Carters career stats? they cant be anywhere close to Monks. and ill bet Gary Clark's are at least as good. and what about that so called drug problem....

His numbers are better than monks:
Cris Carter statistics - pro-football-reference.com

724Skinsfan · 11-08-2007, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

anyone know Chris Carters career stats? they cant be anywhere close to Monks. and ill bet Gary Clark's are at least as good. and what about that so called drug problem....

Actually, doing a direct comparison, Carter blows Monk out the water in receptions, yards and nearly doubles him in TD's. However, Monk blows Carter out of the water with super Bowl rings, which seemed to be good nough for Lynn Swann.

BleedBurgundy · 11-08-2007, 03:22 PM

You know, 6 months ago I would have had no arguement with Carter going to the hall. I always enjoyed his style of play and think he would have fit in. But I can't look past the point that he felt his own enshrinement was so important as to denigrate one of the all time class players in the NFL. To my mind, he can wait 1or 2 years and learn some humility.

11-08-2007, 12:40 PM	#1
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 61 Posts: 10,401	The sky is falling - Dr. Z will vote for Monk Could this be it? Finally?? After last year's debacle, I just don't know anymore. I was convinced after King changed his vote that Monk was a shoe-in. Hopefully this changes it and the man FINALLY gets what he deserves. SI.com - Writers - Dr. Z: My votes off the preliminary Hall of Fame ballot - Thursday November 8, 2007 9:34AM "And now we come to Art Monk. I'm tired of being a negative. I'm tired of all the impassioned letters asking me what did he ever do to me. I've been thinking long and hard about this. OK, he caught a lot of short passes but he also bought a lot of first downs, and he was a terrific team guy, well-respected and a pleasure from whom to borrow money." I still think its a back-handed approach and doesn't properly credit Monk for ALL of his on the field attributes - but, if it removes an obstacle to Monk's election, I am all for it. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

11-08-2007, 12:45 PM	#3
BleedBurgundy Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,471	Re: The sky is falling - Dr. Z will vote for Monk I saw this earlier this morning... was afraid to post another dup thread! Anywho... FINALLY. I hope this wine monkey can swing enough votes Art's way to get him in the hall. I agree that Carter is hall-worthy but not necessarily first ballot worthy. Especially after all of that scheisse he was talking a month or so ago about Monk not having enough pro bowl appearances to warrant induction... #28 and #81 in the same year would be amazing. __________________ "All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." Thomas Paine

11-08-2007, 01:08 PM	#4
SC Skins Fan The Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,555	Re: The sky is falling - Dr. Z will vote for Monk As I read it he was saying he was voting for those guys to be put on the list of 15 finalists, I'm not sure that guarantees his vote for induction. I'm just saying, he ticks off quite a list of names on there and what, only six or seven can possibly get in right? __________________ It has taken a long time, but I have finally realized that nothing I say about the Redskins will have any effect upon anything the Redskins do.

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MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Re: The sky is falling - Dr. Z will vote for Monk I just don't why it's taken so long for guys like King and Z. to wake the F up. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

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REDSKIN2 Camp Scrub Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 33	Re: The sky is falling - Dr. Z will vote for Monk Chris Carter - All he does is lose conference championship games.

11-08-2007, 12:43 PM	#2
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 61 Posts: 10,401	Re: The sky is falling - Dr. Z will vote for Monk He also has Darrell Green as the number one corner to be inducted. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

11-08-2007, 01:18 PM	#8
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 50 Posts: 5,311	Re: The sky is falling - Dr. Z will vote for Monk You watch -- he still won't get in.

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JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,714	Re: The sky is falling - Dr. Z will vote for Monk After this long, I will not believe it until I see it. But this is encouraging. __________________ Hail from Houston!

11-08-2007, 03:02 PM	#12
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: The sky is falling - Dr. Z will vote for Monk anyone know Chris Carters career stats? they cant be anywhere close to Monks. and ill bet Gary Clark's are at least as good. and what about that so called drug problem.... __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

11-08-2007, 03:22 PM	#15
BleedBurgundy Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,471	Re: The sky is falling - Dr. Z will vote for Monk You know, 6 months ago I would have had no arguement with Carter going to the hall. I always enjoyed his style of play and think he would have fit in. But I can't look past the point that he felt his own enshrinement was so important as to denigrate one of the all time class players in the NFL. To my mind, he can wait 1or 2 years and learn some humility. __________________ "All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." Thomas Paine

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