WP article: Time for Gibbs to walk away?

paulskinsfan · 10-31-2007, 07:18 PM

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I hate to agree with the guy, but.....he does make good points.

skinsfan0201 · 10-31-2007, 07:26 PM

Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion, but Gibbs walked into a firestorm and has already taken a franchise to the playoffs once in his second tenure. The NFL is a much tougher place than it used to be, and I think that Joe knows what is best for Joe, but he has already put the Redskins in a far better place as a franchise than it was before he got here. And in addition, sorry but injuries do play a hell of a role in whether or not you are in contention down the line, especially when a lot of teams including the Patriots are built around the offensive line to start.

So there is my opinion, maybe our writers at the Washington Post, though I respect them Shapiro, Wilbon, Kornheiser should think a little more about not trying to make such a splash with there somewhat meddling articles especially this week.

Riggo44 · 10-31-2007, 07:51 PM

I don't agree with this article. He makes a good point about hiring a GM but that's about it. If we had a healthy O-Line we would have ran down the clock and beaten the Packers and probably the Giants too. No one in the NFL can beat the Pat's right now. Should ever coach in the NFL but Bellacheat be fired?? I don’t think so.

MTK · 10-31-2007, 07:51 PM

This doesn't link to an article

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 10-31-2007, 08:14 PM

I didn't see and don't need to read the article. Whomever wrote it has no sense of timing. That is the kind of article you write in the offseason or when the team is clearly going to wind up with a bad record. To pose a question in Week 9 about whether Gibbs should hang it up is premature and, to use the word of the week, retarded.

On a related note, I'm tired of people overreacting to each and every win or loss. After the games against Miami and Philadelphia, most every fan and journalist said things like, "Good teams win close games and beat teams that they are supposed to beat. The Redskins managed to pull out wins in close games against teams that they were supposed to beat. In short, they are a good team." After the Detroit game, just about everyone was ready to send Jason to Hawaii and get order tickets to the Super Bowl. And so, with expectations generally running very high, people predicted that we would actually beat a team that is just crushing their opponents. What is aggravating is that many of the very same people who predicted that we would beat the very best team in the NFL are now jumping ship after getting beaten by a team that should have beaten us. So in one week people are predicting that we will beat the best team in the league and the next week they are predicting an implosion?

Aside from the worst of the worst and the best of the best, teams win games and they lose games. This is the NFL and, as the saying goes, "On any given Sunday." Great teams lose games that they "shouldn't" and bad teams win games even when the consensus was that they couldn't. Nevertheless, fans and the media overreact to and over-analyze each and every play in each and every game. The players fumble balls or the quarterback throws a few picks and all of the sudden the coaches go from Godsends to incompetents and the players go from studs to duds.

The fact is that this team is going to lose and win games....all with the same coaching staff, schemes, players, and jock straps. The bottom line is that this team is neither horrible nor spectacular. It is a slightly above average team that has a very good chance of making the playoffs. Could they screw it up? Sure. As they say, "On any given Sunday."

JWsleep · 10-31-2007, 08:26 PM

I'm with you, Sheriff. People gotta get on an even keel. What do you think 9-7 looks like? We're gonna lose some, gonna win some. Look good some days, look weak the next. The pats game really knocked people for a loop, and I understand that, but people gotta get some perspective here!

(And if we slap the Jets, it won't mean we're great. It's week to week "up here.")

Daseal · 10-31-2007, 08:35 PM

washingtonpost.com is the link to the article.

The guy makes great points in his article. While for the most part I've been happy with Gibbs with the personnel he's gone after, his coaching has left a lot to be lacking. I feel like even 4 years in he doesn't understand clock management, is consistently letting opponents back in the game after every half, and seems like a mediocre coach in the NFL now days. Gibbs has had four years to turn this team around, and thanks to Clinton Portis running like a madman and our defense just being incrediable in 2005 we made the playoffs.

I would have been happy to see Gibbs gone last year, but every game that passes I'm getting more and more used to the idea of a new head coach in DC. If he wants to stay on for personnel decision, fine. But I'm ready for the Greg Williams era to begin.

I think those of you that know me realize this isn't some knee jerk reaction to the pats game. I think that was shocking of just how far we have to go, but still.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 10-31-2007, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

I think those of you that know me realize this isn't some knee jerk reaction to the pats game. I think that was shocking of just how far we have to go, but still.

I know where you are coming from Daseal and I hope you don't think my post was directed at you. I'm frustrated with many of the things the coaches are doing and how many of the players are playing. But, I don't think one has to believe that we are s**t in order to recognize flaws. I don't know about you, but given the injuries to the O-line, JC's inexperience, etc., I don't expect perfection. This team leaves a lot to be desired, but it also leaves us with a lot to be happy with.

We're 4-3 and should be 5-3 after this Sunday. After suffering through years and years of losses, I'm very happy with the overall state of the team if we end up 5-3. That doesn't mean I don't have my complaints, it just means that overall, I'm happy.

I guess for people who each offseason think we are Super Bowl bound, there is going to be a rude awakening when this team isn't 13-3. I guess some people haven't realized that the hype that accompanies this team each offseason doesn't mean squat during the regular season. But, for those of us who are used to the losing seasons and do their best to ignore the offseason hype, 5-3 is cause for celebration and not consternation.

Longtimefan · 10-31-2007, 09:18 PM

What Shapiro is saying in the article has been discussed so many times by so many people it's almost unreal. Regardless of how one may feel personally about the points he mentioned, this topic has found the lips of many fans for the last couple years. True, factual, or indifferent, it's up to Gibbs to make the rhetoric go away.

GusFrerotte · 10-31-2007, 09:32 PM

Gibbs isn't the same Gibbs of 1981-92 guys. The very fact that Saunders is here should tell you that. Gibbs called the plays during his first stint here and had at that time the most prolific offensive machine in the NFL til the Vikings of the mid to late 90's broke all the Skins offensive records. Also you had no FA, no greedy, uneducated morons only after bling, and a salary cap to hinder you back then. Gibbs also had Bobby Beathred to help build his team for him. Gibbs isn't cut out to be team president. It sucks to say th at but it is true. Play calling and clock management have been very poor at times, more akin to a rookie NFL coach than a HOF coach. Injuries and lack of execution aside, we could still be 6-1 now if he didn't throttle back the offense as he has. If Gibbs can't right the ship this season, we need to have him step down and get Cowher or another real coach to takeover. If Gibbs stays his full tenure they will just hand the job to Williams who is not HC material. Are you guys really going to want to wait til Williams gets canned to see a winner in DC again? I think it has been a long enough wait don't you?

htownskinfan · 10-31-2007, 09:36 PM

all his points were right on target,he's saying what 90 percent of us have been saying already,except of course the members of the kool-aid club:FIREdevil:cheeky-sm

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 10-31-2007, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by htownskinfan

all his points were right on target,he's saying what 90 percent of us have been saying already,except of course the members of the kool-aid club:FIREdevil:cheeky-sm

Does that 90% include the 60% of the posters on this site who believe this team is headed to the playoffs? Though I freely admit that I am a member of the Kool-Aid Club, any call for a coach to quit when his team has a winning record is simply retarded. You have to admit that you are a member of the "this team sucks" group.

paulskinsfan · 10-31-2007, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

This doesn't link to an article

Sorry, it worked the first time I did it cause I clicked on it myself to check it out. Wierd.

Longtimefan · 10-31-2007, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Gibbs isn't the same Gibbs of 1981-92 guys. The very fact that Saunders is here should tell you that. Gibbs called the plays during his first stint here and had at that time the most prolific offensive machine in the NFL til the Vikings of the mid to late 90's broke all the Skins offensive records. Also you had no FA, no greedy, uneducated morons only after bling, and a salary cap to hinder you back then. Gibbs also had Bobby Beathred to help build his team for him. Gibbs isn't cut out to be team president. It sucks to say th at but it is true. Play calling and clock management have been very poor at times, more akin to a rookie NFL coach than a HOF coach. Injuries and lack of execution aside, we could still be 6-1 now if he didn't throttle back the offense as he has. If Gibbs can't right the ship this season, we need to have him step down and get Cowher or another real coach to takeover. If Gibbs stays his full tenure they will just hand the job to Williams who is not HC material. Are you guys really going to want to wait til Williams gets canned to see a winner in DC again? I think it has been a long enough wait don't you?

All of us here view the Redskins from a different perspective mainly because we are for the most part, "die hard fans". There are those however who view them from a more objective standpoint, and do not see the same things we see, or share the same views. Just as we see the team at 4-3 and relatively satisfied with that mark, there are others who say based on the way we have played the games, we could just as easily be 1-6.

I want to think of Shapiro as an objective writer with no personal gripe with either Gibbs or the Redskins. I'm convinced however that when the casual observer watches the way the Redskins play, they come away with a feeling of not always whether they win or lose, but how they played the game.

paulskinsfan · 10-31-2007, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Does that 90% include the 60% of the posters on this site who believe this team is headed to the playoffs? Though I freely admit that I am a member of the Kool-Aid Club, any call for a coach to quit when his team has a winning record is simply retarded. You have to admit that you are a member of the "this team sucks" group.

I think he's calling for Gibbs to walk away after the season, not now.

10-31-2007, 07:18 PM	#1
paulskinsfan Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: West VA Posts: 726	WP article: Time for Gibbs to walk away? washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines I hate to agree with the guy, but.....he does make good points.

10-31-2007, 07:26 PM	#2
skinsfan0201 Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Falls Church, VA Age: 45 Posts: 234	Re: WP artilce: Time for Gibbs to walk away? Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion, but Gibbs walked into a firestorm and has already taken a franchise to the playoffs once in his second tenure. The NFL is a much tougher place than it used to be, and I think that Joe knows what is best for Joe, but he has already put the Redskins in a far better place as a franchise than it was before he got here. And in addition, sorry but injuries do play a hell of a role in whether or not you are in contention down the line, especially when a lot of teams including the Patriots are built around the offensive line to start. So there is my opinion, maybe our writers at the Washington Post, though I respect them Shapiro, Wilbon, Kornheiser should think a little more about not trying to make such a splash with there somewhat meddling articles especially this week.

10-31-2007, 07:51 PM	#3
Riggo44 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Clemente CA Age: 51 Posts: 2,390	Re: WP artilce: Time for Gibbs to walk away? I don't agree with this article. He makes a good point about hiring a GM but that's about it. If we had a healthy O-Line we would have ran down the clock and beaten the Packers and probably the Giants too. No one in the NFL can beat the Pat's right now. Should ever coach in the NFL but Bellacheat be fired?? I don’t think so. __________________ Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. Benjamin Franklin

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10-31-2007, 08:14 PM	#5
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: WP artilce: Time for Gibbs to walk away? I didn't see and don't need to read the article. Whomever wrote it has no sense of timing. That is the kind of article you write in the offseason or when the team is clearly going to wind up with a bad record. To pose a question in Week 9 about whether Gibbs should hang it up is premature and, to use the word of the week, retarded. On a related note, I'm tired of people overreacting to each and every win or loss. After the games against Miami and Philadelphia, most every fan and journalist said things like, "Good teams win close games and beat teams that they are supposed to beat. The Redskins managed to pull out wins in close games against teams that they were supposed to beat. In short, they are a good team." After the Detroit game, just about everyone was ready to send Jason to Hawaii and get order tickets to the Super Bowl. And so, with expectations generally running very high, people predicted that we would actually beat a team that is just crushing their opponents. What is aggravating is that many of the very same people who predicted that we would beat the very best team in the NFL are now jumping ship after getting beaten by a team that should have beaten us. So in one week people are predicting that we will beat the best team in the league and the next week they are predicting an implosion? Aside from the worst of the worst and the best of the best, teams win games and they lose games. This is the NFL and, as the saying goes, "On any given Sunday." Great teams lose games that they "shouldn't" and bad teams win games even when the consensus was that they couldn't. Nevertheless, fans and the media overreact to and over-analyze each and every play in each and every game. The players fumble balls or the quarterback throws a few picks and all of the sudden the coaches go from Godsends to incompetents and the players go from studs to duds. The fact is that this team is going to lose and win games....all with the same coaching staff, schemes, players, and jock straps. The bottom line is that this team is neither horrible nor spectacular. It is a slightly above average team that has a very good chance of making the playoffs. Could they screw it up? Sure. As they say, "On any given Sunday."

10-31-2007, 08:26 PM	#6
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,714	Re: WP artilce: Time for Gibbs to walk away? I'm with you, Sheriff. People gotta get on an even keel. What do you think 9-7 looks like? We're gonna lose some, gonna win some. Look good some days, look weak the next. The pats game really knocked people for a loop, and I understand that, but people gotta get some perspective here! (And if we slap the Jets, it won't mean we're great. It's week to week "up here.") __________________ Hail from Houston!

10-31-2007, 08:35 PM	#7
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: WP artilce: Time for Gibbs to walk away? washingtonpost.com is the link to the article. The guy makes great points in his article. While for the most part I've been happy with Gibbs with the personnel he's gone after, his coaching has left a lot to be lacking. I feel like even 4 years in he doesn't understand clock management, is consistently letting opponents back in the game after every half, and seems like a mediocre coach in the NFL now days. Gibbs has had four years to turn this team around, and thanks to Clinton Portis running like a madman and our defense just being incrediable in 2005 we made the playoffs. I would have been happy to see Gibbs gone last year, but every game that passes I'm getting more and more used to the idea of a new head coach in DC. If he wants to stay on for personnel decision, fine. But I'm ready for the Greg Williams era to begin. I think those of you that know me realize this isn't some knee jerk reaction to the pats game. I think that was shocking of just how far we have to go, but still. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

10-31-2007, 09:18 PM	#9
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: WP artilce: Time for Gibbs to walk away? What Shapiro is saying in the article has been discussed so many times by so many people it's almost unreal. Regardless of how one may feel personally about the points he mentioned, this topic has found the lips of many fans for the last couple years. True, factual, or indifferent, it's up to Gibbs to make the rhetoric go away. __________________ A revolution is coming and it will be televised.

10-31-2007, 09:32 PM	#10
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: WP artilce: Time for Gibbs to walk away? Gibbs isn't the same Gibbs of 1981-92 guys. The very fact that Saunders is here should tell you that. Gibbs called the plays during his first stint here and had at that time the most prolific offensive machine in the NFL til the Vikings of the mid to late 90's broke all the Skins offensive records. Also you had no FA, no greedy, uneducated morons only after bling, and a salary cap to hinder you back then. Gibbs also had Bobby Beathred to help build his team for him. Gibbs isn't cut out to be team president. It sucks to say th at but it is true. Play calling and clock management have been very poor at times, more akin to a rookie NFL coach than a HOF coach. Injuries and lack of execution aside, we could still be 6-1 now if he didn't throttle back the offense as he has. If Gibbs can't right the ship this season, we need to have him step down and get Cowher or another real coach to takeover. If Gibbs stays his full tenure they will just hand the job to Williams who is not HC material. Are you guys really going to want to wait til Williams gets canned to see a winner in DC again? I think it has been a long enough wait don't you?

10-31-2007, 09:36 PM	#11
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