Public enemy #1 for the Skins this year has been...

MTK · 10-15-2007, 09:28 AM

vote and discuss

ArtMonkDrillz · 10-15-2007, 09:41 AM

I feel like the dropped passes have directly lead to both of our losses so far this season. If the receivers could have held onto the ball to keep the chains moving we'd have put the giants and the packers away.

MTK · 10-15-2007, 09:45 AM

I really think we're only a few more completions away from being 5-0. Moss has been the main culprit with way too many catchable balls going through his fingers, but it seems like everyone has had their share of the drops so far.

SmootSmack · 10-15-2007, 09:46 AM

Playcalling has been fine, but I'm sure that will probably get the most votes

Clock management has been superb in several cases, particularly the way we handled the clock in the Lions and Eagles game (save for the end of the first half against Philly)

Offensive Line (under Bugel's guidance) has been our unsung hero up until yesterday. Can't say enough about what Pete Kendall has done for this team

So...I'll go with dropped passes. And, to me, dropped passes includes dropped interceptions

mlmpetert · 10-15-2007, 09:47 AM

I said clock managment since I think its flat out inexcusable. When you have a hof coach doing nothing but managing the game Sundays it should be nothing less then perfect.

Offensive line could get us going forward. So far I feel like every replacement has come in and really stepped up, but were pretty much out of replacements. Let hope for no more injuries.

ArtMonkDrillz · 10-15-2007, 09:52 AM

I guess this goes hand in hand with the injury plagued offensive line, but how about the lack of a strong running game this season?
We haven't really been able to pound the ball, which means we're forced to pass more even if we have a second half lead.
For me that's been almost as frustrating as the dropped passes.

irish · 10-15-2007, 10:03 AM

I think its playcalling. The coaches let the Giants game get away and they screwed up yesterday.

The O-line injuries are a very close 2nd but every team has to deal with injuries. The dropped passes were only really an issue yesterday.

gibbsisgod · 10-15-2007, 10:04 AM

Dropped balls. That includes fumbles. Portis is making a habit out of fumbling the football and it has to stop. I have noticed in past years that it seems like he fumbles in bunches and then has long streaks of not coughing it up. Lets all hope he gets that shit out of his system. And for the drops, Moss has been doing that since week 1 and its becoming a problem. He is not the only one who drops passes so I dont want it to seem like I am calling him out but it is magnified by his status as a "playmaker".

gibbsisgod · 10-15-2007, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

I think its playcalling. The coaches let the Giants game get away and they screwed up yesterday.

The O-line injuries are a very close 2nd but every team has to deal with injuries. The dropped passes were only really an issue yesterday.

They were a problem in the Miami game too. Moss dropped 3 or 4 very catchable balls in that game. If he catches 2 of those the Miami game never gets to overtime. Yesterday, if he cathes the long bomb donw the sideline.....well, who knows.

All i'm sayin is the coaches were putting the players in very good situations and the PLAYERS litterally dropped the ball. I'll give you a bad coaching game against NY, but in EVERY other game the coaches were good enough to win.

Rajmahal33 · 10-15-2007, 10:08 AM

I think its offensive line. Though our replacements have been playing much better than anyone would have thought, there is NO doubt in my mind that if we had thomas and jansen in those games:
- campbell would have a lot more time to complete pass (esp to check downs)
- we wouldn't have to max protect on obvious passing downs which would free up one Christopher Cooley as an extra receiver (and we all know what he can do/could have done)
- our running game would be a LOT more effective at picking up first downs and playing Redskins-style football (we would have been able to run out that Giants game instead of squandering a 3 TD lead)

I think ppl are underrating the loss of those guys. Our O-line is our foundation and by losing some of those key guys it has showed itself to be a weakness down the stretch in games. Yesterday, we surrendered two sacks on the final drive. Against the Giants we had multiple attempts at the goalline to tie the game and had to run left twice...u tellin me with a healthy thomas and jansen we wouldn't have mixed it up down there?

jbcjr14 · 10-15-2007, 10:10 AM

I chose dropped passes. Not only Moss but El, Sellers, Lloyd (although a tough one) ALL had critical drops in the game that would have changed the outcome.

They need to shake it off and come back next week with a vengance. AZ is no pushover on defense and they will hit you in the mouth.

BleedBurgundy · 10-15-2007, 10:12 AM

I think it's a tie so far between the oline and drops. I think the drops are going to go away down the stretch, but there's not much we can do about the line. It's really hurting us when we play a team with a strong defensive front.

dgack · 10-15-2007, 10:18 AM

I wish "dropped passes" were changed to "Overall inconsistency / unreliability of the receiving corps"...

Gmanc711 · 10-15-2007, 10:22 AM

I'll go with dropped passes since thats why we lost yesterday and with only two losses on the season, thats most glaring to me....Theres too much blame to go around for the Giants loss, from the very top with Joe GIbbs to the very last player on this team, so I dont think we can call that public enemy #1...Yesterday I can point right to why we lost, so I'll go with dropped passes....

Now clock managment hasent killed us yet, but I think it might. It boggles my mind how the guys on that sidelines are getting paid 20 million dollars, and a girl is sitting in my basement who just started watching football within the year, knows when to call time outs.

The Oline injuries are huge..but honestly I think the guys who have stepped in have done a phenominal job. Obviously its not like having the starting 5 in, but I think these guys have really played hard and well given the circumstances.

WillH · 10-15-2007, 10:22 AM

Public Enemies:
#1 O-line:
With our Defense playing as well as it is, if we had ANYTHING going for us on offense, we would be 5-0. With a healthy Oline we would have a much better running game. I have seen some hate going CP's way, but he is still getting 6-10 yard carries behind this patchwork Oline; if it were healthy he'd be able to win games or us on the ground. Also, late in yesterdays game especially there were many plays when JC didn't get a chance to set his feet. We may have been able to pull out a W against GB and NY if he was given some time in the pocket.

#2 Drops:
Especially from Moss. It is killing us. Matty is right, if we had a couple more catches in our two losses we'd have won the games. I'll give Santana a pass for now because of the bad weather, but if he doesn't start making big plays for us soon, count this team out. (BTW, I know the wet ball is hard to catch, but Cooley sure was able to, and so was McArdell when he came in late in the game, so that is kinda a weak excuse for Moss, but he has single handedly won many games for us in the past, so I'll give him the benefit of doubt.)

View Poll Results: Public enemy #1 for the Skins this year has been...
Dropped passes	54	31.40%
Injuries to the offensive line	92	53.49%
Clock management	13	7.56%
Play calling	13	7.56%
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10-15-2007, 09:45 AM	#3
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,465	Re: Public enemy #1 for the Skins this year has been... I really think we're only a few more completions away from being 5-0. Moss has been the main culprit with way too many catchable balls going through his fingers, but it seems like everyone has had their share of the drops so far. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

10-15-2007, 09:46 AM	#4
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Public enemy #1 for the Skins this year has been... Playcalling has been fine, but I'm sure that will probably get the most votes Clock management has been superb in several cases, particularly the way we handled the clock in the Lions and Eagles game (save for the end of the first half against Philly) Offensive Line (under Bugel's guidance) has been our unsung hero up until yesterday. Can't say enough about what Pete Kendall has done for this team So...I'll go with dropped passes. And, to me, dropped passes includes dropped interceptions __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-15-2007, 09:47 AM	#5
mlmpetert Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Richmond Posts: 3,261	Re: Public enemy #1 for the Skins this year has been... I said clock managment since I think its flat out inexcusable. When you have a hof coach doing nothing but managing the game Sundays it should be nothing less then perfect. Offensive line could get us going forward. So far I feel like every replacement has come in and really stepped up, but were pretty much out of replacements. Let hope for no more injuries.

10-15-2007, 09:52 AM	#6
ArtMonkDrillz Franchise Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ellicott City, MD Age: 42 Posts: 8,029	Re: Public enemy #1 for the Skins this year has been... I guess this goes hand in hand with the injury plagued offensive line, but how about the lack of a strong running game this season? We haven't really been able to pound the ball, which means we're forced to pass more even if we have a second half lead. For me that's been almost as frustrating as the dropped passes. __________________ "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." The Dude

10-15-2007, 09:28 AM	#1
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,465	Public enemy #1 for the Skins this year has been... vote and discuss __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

10-15-2007, 09:41 AM	#2
ArtMonkDrillz Franchise Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ellicott City, MD Age: 42 Posts: 8,029	Re: Public enemy #1 for the Skins this year has been... I feel like the dropped passes have directly lead to both of our losses so far this season. If the receivers could have held onto the ball to keep the chains moving we'd have put the giants and the packers away. __________________ "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." The Dude

10-15-2007, 10:03 AM	#7
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	Re: Public enemy #1 for the Skins this year has been... I think its playcalling. The coaches let the Giants game get away and they screwed up yesterday. The O-line injuries are a very close 2nd but every team has to deal with injuries. The dropped passes were only really an issue yesterday.

10-15-2007, 10:04 AM	#8
gibbsisgod Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: 129 W 81st street Age: 45 Posts: 3,503	Re: Public enemy #1 for the Skins this year has been... Dropped balls. That includes fumbles. Portis is making a habit out of fumbling the football and it has to stop. I have noticed in past years that it seems like he fumbles in bunches and then has long streaks of not coughing it up. Lets all hope he gets that shit out of his system. And for the drops, Moss has been doing that since week 1 and its becoming a problem. He is not the only one who drops passes so I dont want it to seem like I am calling him out but it is magnified by his status as a "playmaker".

10-15-2007, 10:08 AM	#10
Rajmahal33 Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 478	Re: Public enemy #1 for the Skins this year has been... I think its offensive line. Though our replacements have been playing much better than anyone would have thought, there is NO doubt in my mind that if we had thomas and jansen in those games: - campbell would have a lot more time to complete pass (esp to check downs) - we wouldn't have to max protect on obvious passing downs which would free up one Christopher Cooley as an extra receiver (and we all know what he can do/could have done) - our running game would be a LOT more effective at picking up first downs and playing Redskins-style football (we would have been able to run out that Giants game instead of squandering a 3 TD lead) I think ppl are underrating the loss of those guys. Our O-line is our foundation and by losing some of those key guys it has showed itself to be a weakness down the stretch in games. Yesterday, we surrendered two sacks on the final drive. Against the Giants we had multiple attempts at the goalline to tie the game and had to run left twice...u tellin me with a healthy thomas and jansen we wouldn't have mixed it up down there? __________________ McNasty FTW!

10-15-2007, 10:10 AM	#11
jbcjr14 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Age: 54 Posts: 2,015	Re: Public enemy #1 for the Skins this year has been... I chose dropped passes. Not only Moss but El, Sellers, Lloyd (although a tough one) ALL had critical drops in the game that would have changed the outcome. They need to shake it off and come back next week with a vengance. AZ is no pushover on defense and they will hit you in the mouth. __________________ "Work Harder: millions on welfare are counting on you" - Obama 2009 address to Congress.

10-15-2007, 10:12 AM	#12
BleedBurgundy Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,471	Re: Public enemy #1 for the Skins this year has been... I think it's a tie so far between the oline and drops. I think the drops are going to go away down the stretch, but there's not much we can do about the line. It's really hurting us when we play a team with a strong defensive front. __________________ "All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." Thomas Paine

10-15-2007, 10:18 AM	#13
dgack The Starter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The ATX (formerly Balmer) Posts: 1,125	Re: Public enemy #1 for the Skins this year has been... I wish "dropped passes" were changed to "Overall inconsistency / unreliability of the receiving corps"... __________________ "To bring a Sherm Lewis in to a Jim Zorn and whoever his offensive coordinator is, it's like bringing in another man to help teach you how to make better love to your wife or something." -- Tre Johnson

10-15-2007, 10:22 AM	#14
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	Re: Public enemy #1 for the Skins this year has been... I'll go with dropped passes since thats why we lost yesterday and with only two losses on the season, thats most glaring to me....Theres too much blame to go around for the Giants loss, from the very top with Joe GIbbs to the very last player on this team, so I dont think we can call that public enemy #1...Yesterday I can point right to why we lost, so I'll go with dropped passes.... Now clock managment hasent killed us yet, but I think it might. It boggles my mind how the guys on that sidelines are getting paid 20 million dollars, and a girl is sitting in my basement who just started watching football within the year, knows when to call time outs. The Oline injuries are huge..but honestly I think the guys who have stepped in have done a phenominal job. Obviously its not like having the starting 5 in, but I think these guys have really played hard and well given the circumstances. __________________ #21

10-15-2007, 10:22 AM	#15
WillH The Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,590	Re: Public enemy #1 for the Skins this year has been... Public Enemies: #1 O-line: With our Defense playing as well as it is, if we had ANYTHING going for us on offense, we would be 5-0. With a healthy Oline we would have a much better running game. I have seen some hate going CP's way, but he is still getting 6-10 yard carries behind this patchwork Oline; if it were healthy he'd be able to win games or us on the ground. Also, late in yesterdays game especially there were many plays when JC didn't get a chance to set his feet. We may have been able to pull out a W against GB and NY if he was given some time in the pocket. #2 Drops: Especially from Moss. It is killing us. Matty is right, if we had a couple more catches in our two losses we'd have won the games. I'll give Santana a pass for now because of the bad weather, but if he doesn't start making big plays for us soon, count this team out. (BTW, I know the wet ball is hard to catch, but Cooley sure was able to, and so was McArdell when he came in late in the game, so that is kinda a weak excuse for Moss, but he has single handedly won many games for us in the past, so I'll give him the benefit of doubt.)

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