Big C's "Is It the Talent" Poll

SmootSmack · 03-23-2007, 01:10 PM

As usual, there's a lot of discussion here about how we need a "real GM" and Vinny must go, and the front office is a mess, etc.

But is the main problem the talent we have, or something else?

Vote or Dmek will get all Amish up in this piece. West Siiiide!

MTK · 03-23-2007, 01:24 PM

I'm not a big fan of any of the poll choices.

My view is this, we've got talent. We had more talent than our 5-11 record indicated last year. However, I think the transition to Saunders threw things off track and put us back at square one offensively. The switch to Campbell should have come earlier, but I don't think it would have changed the final result of the season very much. Portis never got on track before being lost for the season and that was a big loss despite the stellar job Betts did in relief. Overall the offense just never got on track and I think there was some grumbling behind the scenes with players wondering why such a drastic change was needed.

Defensively we had some key injuries, guys that underperformed, and a behind the scenes clashing between some players and coaches that probably didn't help out in the morale dept. very much.

I don't think it's a cut and dry issue of personnel vs. coaching as to why we didn't win last year. It was a combo of both, with other issues mixed in as well such as injuries, making the switch to a new offense, switching QBs, and petty drama behind the scenes.

SmootSmack · 03-23-2007, 01:28 PM

You're right sir. May I kiss your ring?

Seriously though, in a way it's sort of what I was trying to get at. That it's not so simple and cut and dry as to say we need a General Manager.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 03-23-2007, 01:31 PM

Offense:
I think our team has the talent and the coaching staff to make things happen. We've had a solid running attack (#4 last year) the past few years. What we have lacked is a playmaker at the league's most important position - QB. Moreover, we've had turnover in systems over the past few years.

Defense:
I honestly think our defense is simply aging and was hurt bad last year with injuries to the secondary and at DT.

Big C · 03-23-2007, 01:39 PM

why is it my poll? lol

GTripp0012 · 03-23-2007, 01:43 PM

I think Matty's pretty close to dead on.

It's not a coaching issue. All coaches make mistakes. We aren't at a disadvantage here.

The reason we are losing is not because the front office hasn't been trying, or because they "don't know how to build a winner", its that we invest big dollars in all the wrong places.

For all their faults though, they've done a great job identifying the issues we have. Better than the average FO in that respect. They have just skimped on their pro scouting responsibilities, IMO.

We are more talented than a 5-11 team as demonstrated by our very unfavorable close game record for a year ago.

This 2007 team will be closer in resemblence to the 2005 team than the 2006 team which is good. The defense will be somewhere inbetween the years and the offense will be the best we've seen it in awhile.

dmek25 · 03-23-2007, 01:51 PM

maybe I'm the ultimate homer, but i agree with Matty. offensively, in coach Saunders second season with a team, his former teams have done very well. i would be big time surprised if our offense isn't top 10 this year, our defense is definitely better then they showed last year. between a rash of injuries, and the front office miscalculations about A.A., Ryan Clark, and Andre carter( to a certain extent) i would be shocked if Greg Williams defense isn't kicking butt like 2005. i think most of us are in agreement that the skins have alot of talent. just keeping it all on the field at once was a major problem last season

dmek25 · 03-23-2007, 01:52 PM

and smootsmack, im glad you know your role

FRPLG · 03-23-2007, 02:57 PM

Something I have learned in life.

Problems are almost never the result of black and white type reasons.

In an innumerably variable sport like football it really can never come down to one thing or the other. Our lack of success in the past several years is a combo of bad luck, bad decisions, poor play, and bad attitude.

I think everyone in the org should share blame. For whatever reason it seems most of us want to find one or two points of weakness and fix them thinking that will turn it around. It may but we need to realize that we have lots of problems and we just haven't fixed the right ones enough to get it going.

I think every team has problems too, not just us. We just haven't dealt with them as efficiently as other teams.

FRPLG · 03-23-2007, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think Matty's pretty close to dead on.

It's not a coaching issue. All coaches make mistakes. We aren't at a disadvantage here.

The reason we are losing is not because the front office hasn't been trying, or because they "don't know how to build a winner", its that we invest big dollars in all the wrong places.

For all their faults though, they've done a great job identifying the issues we have. Better than the average FO in that respect. They have just skimped on their pro scouting responsibilities, IMO.

We are more talented than a 5-11 team as demonstrated by our very unfavorable close game record for a year ago.

This 2007 team will be closer in resemblence to the 2005 team than the 2006 team which is good. The defense will be somewhere inbetween the years and the offense will be the best we've seen it in awhile.

I agree. I tend to like the fact that we are going to be so overlooked again just like in 2005. I'd much rather have no expectations. We'll do better that way. I have a totally unrealistically positive feeling about this upcoming season.

BDBohnzie · 03-23-2007, 03:14 PM

There are a few factors going on. Teams figured out the whole Cover 2/Tampa 2/G-Dub 2 scheme, and it completely threw off Williams. Compile with injuries, and he's trying to completely get a defense up to speed during the season, instead of during training camp.

Saunders brought in a completely new offense. It's been said that it takes at least a year for a new system to gel enough to compete.

The talent is there, player and coach wise. I chose the last option only because I term misuse in the fact that Williams needing to make more adjustments (which he did) and they brought in Saunders, when the offense was doing fine without him.

ArtMonkDrillz · 03-23-2007, 03:32 PM

On offense I think the talent is there, but the transition to Saunders' system and the overall inexperience of Campbell meant that the team couldn't or didn't play up to their potential. I hope Campbell has better timing with his WRs next season and I hope the running game/offensive line play is up to last year's level because that would make us tough to slow down.

On defense I really have to say that I don't think the overall talent level was very high. There are a couple of good players who were frequently taken out of position because of the many bad players. The amount of missed tackles, missed sacks, and missed turnovers made me sick on a weekly basis.
Our secondary was terrible and I blame that on the fact that we didn't have good depth. Springs played okay when he was healthy and Rogers left a lot to be desired. Rumph, Wright, Jamoh, and whoever else played like crap and I'm glad most of them are gone.

So, I don't know how to fix the team. I don't think we're screwed but I'm not nearly as optimistic as I was last offseason (thank God it's only March). I think our offense will be better just because they've had a whole offseason together. I think the D needs to remember how to tackle and crush the pocket.
That's all for now.

Daseal · 03-23-2007, 03:51 PM

I think we're trying to fit players around schemes more than we're trying to fit schemes to players.

Rajmahal33 · 03-23-2007, 04:11 PM

Yes, last season went downhill because of unusual and unforeseen circumstances (injuries, new coaching systems, underperforming vets, late-season QB change, etc) and I agree that u can't evaluate a FO's performance based on a single season's outcome. However, Cerrato and the others have repeatedly and gotten things wrong. Many of their high-profile draft picks haven't panned out the way that they should have. On top of that they have traded away picks like they were just afterthoughts and spend lavish sums on players that have ended up not only underperforming but have messed with the teams chemistry. Even the players that we have developed we have let go to FA and trade. I just think that for a great franchise like the washington redskins, its a shame that we expect so little from the FO because we have been trained to overlook their role as a product of the "skins being the skins". For that reason it is time for some change

skinsfan69 · 03-23-2007, 04:43 PM

IMO we just don't have the players. Some guys got real old real quick. We have potential on offense but defense needs a major overhaul. Who on our front 7 scares anybody? Smoot and Fletcher will help a little. At least Fletcher knows how to tackle guys and he can provide leadership. But the line is a joke. We can't rush the passer for shit. And can someone in our secondary learn how to wrap up and tackle somebody? Some of our problems on defense comes down to fundamentals.

View Poll Results: Why Aren't We Winning More
Front Office Hasn't Gotten the Coaches the Players	18	26.87%
Front Office Has Gotten the Right Players But at Too High a Cost Long Term	28	41.79%
Coaches Are Misusing the Talent We Have	21	31.34%
Voters: 67. You may not vote on this poll

03-23-2007, 01:10 PM	#1
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Big C's "Is It the Talent" Poll As usual, there's a lot of discussion here about how we need a "real GM" and Vinny must go, and the front office is a mess, etc. But is the main problem the talent we have, or something else? Vote or Dmek will get all Amish up in this piece. West Siiiide! __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

03-23-2007, 01:24 PM	#2
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Re: Big C's "Is It the Talent" Poll I'm not a big fan of any of the poll choices. My view is this, we've got talent. We had more talent than our 5-11 record indicated last year. However, I think the transition to Saunders threw things off track and put us back at square one offensively. The switch to Campbell should have come earlier, but I don't think it would have changed the final result of the season very much. Portis never got on track before being lost for the season and that was a big loss despite the stellar job Betts did in relief. Overall the offense just never got on track and I think there was some grumbling behind the scenes with players wondering why such a drastic change was needed. Defensively we had some key injuries, guys that underperformed, and a behind the scenes clashing between some players and coaches that probably didn't help out in the morale dept. very much. I don't think it's a cut and dry issue of personnel vs. coaching as to why we didn't win last year. It was a combo of both, with other issues mixed in as well such as injuries, making the switch to a new offense, switching QBs, and petty drama behind the scenes. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-23-2007, 01:28 PM	#3
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Big C's "Is It the Talent" Poll You're right sir. May I kiss your ring? Seriously though, in a way it's sort of what I was trying to get at. That it's not so simple and cut and dry as to say we need a General Manager. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

03-23-2007, 01:39 PM	#5
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	Re: Big C's "Is It the Talent" Poll why is it my poll? lol __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

03-23-2007, 01:31 PM	#4
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: Big C's "Is It the Talent" Poll Offense: I think our team has the talent and the coaching staff to make things happen. We've had a solid running attack (#4 last year) the past few years. What we have lacked is a playmaker at the league's most important position - QB. Moreover, we've had turnover in systems over the past few years. Defense: I honestly think our defense is simply aging and was hurt bad last year with injuries to the secondary and at DT.

03-23-2007, 01:43 PM	#6
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: Big C's "Is It the Talent" Poll I think Matty's pretty close to dead on. It's not a coaching issue. All coaches make mistakes. We aren't at a disadvantage here. The reason we are losing is not because the front office hasn't been trying, or because they "don't know how to build a winner", its that we invest big dollars in all the wrong places. For all their faults though, they've done a great job identifying the issues we have. Better than the average FO in that respect. They have just skimped on their pro scouting responsibilities, IMO. We are more talented than a 5-11 team as demonstrated by our very unfavorable close game record for a year ago. This 2007 team will be closer in resemblence to the 2005 team than the 2006 team which is good. The defense will be somewhere inbetween the years and the offense will be the best we've seen it in awhile. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

03-23-2007, 01:51 PM	#7
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Big C's "Is It the Talent" Poll maybe I'm the ultimate homer, but i agree with Matty. offensively, in coach Saunders second season with a team, his former teams have done very well. i would be big time surprised if our offense isn't top 10 this year, our defense is definitely better then they showed last year. between a rash of injuries, and the front office miscalculations about A.A., Ryan Clark, and Andre carter( to a certain extent) i would be shocked if Greg Williams defense isn't kicking butt like 2005. i think most of us are in agreement that the skins have alot of talent. just keeping it all on the field at once was a major problem last season __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

03-23-2007, 01:52 PM	#8
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Big C's "Is It the Talent" Poll and smootsmack, im glad you know your role __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

03-23-2007, 02:57 PM	#9
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Big C's "Is It the Talent" Poll Something I have learned in life. Problems are almost never the result of black and white type reasons. In an innumerably variable sport like football it really can never come down to one thing or the other. Our lack of success in the past several years is a combo of bad luck, bad decisions, poor play, and bad attitude. I think everyone in the org should share blame. For whatever reason it seems most of us want to find one or two points of weakness and fix them thinking that will turn it around. It may but we need to realize that we have lots of problems and we just haven't fixed the right ones enough to get it going. I think every team has problems too, not just us. We just haven't dealt with them as efficiently as other teams.

03-23-2007, 03:14 PM	#11
BDBohnzie Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Frederick, MD Age: 45 Posts: 4,628	Re: Big C's "Is It the Talent" Poll There are a few factors going on. Teams figured out the whole Cover 2/Tampa 2/G-Dub 2 scheme, and it completely threw off Williams. Compile with injuries, and he's trying to completely get a defense up to speed during the season, instead of during training camp. Saunders brought in a completely new offense. It's been said that it takes at least a year for a new system to gel enough to compete. The talent is there, player and coach wise. I chose the last option only because I term misuse in the fact that Williams needing to make more adjustments (which he did) and they brought in Saunders, when the offense was doing fine without him. __________________ Bad Things man, I mean bad things... “WE TOOK HIM IN THE SIXTH ROUND SO WE'RE NOT SMART EITHER.” - Shanny on what the Skins saw in Alfred Morris

03-23-2007, 03:32 PM	#12
ArtMonkDrillz Franchise Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ellicott City, MD Age: 42 Posts: 8,029	Re: Big C's "Is It the Talent" Poll On offense I think the talent is there, but the transition to Saunders' system and the overall inexperience of Campbell meant that the team couldn't or didn't play up to their potential. I hope Campbell has better timing with his WRs next season and I hope the running game/offensive line play is up to last year's level because that would make us tough to slow down. On defense I really have to say that I don't think the overall talent level was very high. There are a couple of good players who were frequently taken out of position because of the many bad players. The amount of missed tackles, missed sacks, and missed turnovers made me sick on a weekly basis. Our secondary was terrible and I blame that on the fact that we didn't have good depth. Springs played okay when he was healthy and Rogers left a lot to be desired. Rumph, Wright, Jamoh, and whoever else played like crap and I'm glad most of them are gone. So, I don't know how to fix the team. I don't think we're screwed but I'm not nearly as optimistic as I was last offseason (thank God it's only March). I think our offense will be better just because they've had a whole offseason together. I think the D needs to remember how to tackle and crush the pocket. That's all for now. __________________ "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." The Dude

03-23-2007, 03:51 PM	#13
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: Big C's "Is It the Talent" Poll I think we're trying to fit players around schemes more than we're trying to fit schemes to players. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

03-23-2007, 04:11 PM	#14
Rajmahal33 Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 478	Re: Big C's "Is It the Talent" Poll Yes, last season went downhill because of unusual and unforeseen circumstances (injuries, new coaching systems, underperforming vets, late-season QB change, etc) and I agree that u can't evaluate a FO's performance based on a single season's outcome. However, Cerrato and the others have repeatedly and gotten things wrong. Many of their high-profile draft picks haven't panned out the way that they should have. On top of that they have traded away picks like they were just afterthoughts and spend lavish sums on players that have ended up not only underperforming but have messed with the teams chemistry. Even the players that we have developed we have let go to FA and trade. I just think that for a great franchise like the washington redskins, its a shame that we expect so little from the FO because we have been trained to overlook their role as a product of the "skins being the skins". For that reason it is time for some change __________________ McNasty FTW!

03-23-2007, 04:43 PM	#15
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,265	Re: Big C's "Is It the Talent" Poll IMO we just don't have the players. Some guys got real old real quick. We have potential on offense but defense needs a major overhaul. Who on our front 7 scares anybody? Smoot and Fletcher will help a little. At least Fletcher knows how to tackle guys and he can provide leadership. But the line is a joke. We can't rush the passer for shit. And can someone in our secondary learn how to wrap up and tackle somebody? Some of our problems on defense comes down to fundamentals.

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