JLC: Hope fading for Dockery?

MTK · 03-01-2007, 05:19 PM

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Alright peeps, got some cap info for you (I don't feel so bad for letting DCsween, Haiku and the boys buy me some shots the other night, 'cause, frankly, I'm earning in now y'all).

I know I wrote earlier that my gut on Dock was they re-sign him. Well, after making a bunch of calls and hearing where this market really could be going (Steinbach getting $16 to sign!!) it seems like Dock could blow past what Jansen got a few weeks back. I hear $12 million guaranteed might be the number to keep Dock, and given all the Skins already have tied up in their offensive line, how crazy this market is going, and their pressing needs on D, I could see them letting him go.

Again, this is all in flux and one phone call from The Owner around 11:55 could get it done, but this seems like a bizarro world market, devoid of immense talent but with cap room spilling over and only a few quality dudes to spend it on. I have a bunch of other Dock-related stuff but I ain't puttin' it all out here now. A) I get the feeling sometimes that I am doing my competition's work for them, and b) gots to give you guys a reason to pony up your 35 cents every morning.

On to the cap, my most beloved main man on all salary-cap issues (you know who you are) tells me the Skins as of today are roughly $6 million under the cap, give or take a few hundy-thou, after yesterday's moves (cutting Fauria and doing a new deal with Brunell).

Also, I got some hard and fast numbers on Brunell. he went from a $6.7 cap hit to $3.5. He gets about $1.1 in base salary, a $500,000 roster bonus in June and, throw in the old proration from the original signing bonus and, VIOLA (oops I did it again), you get the new cap hit.

So, they're 6 under now. Cutting Hall gives them another $1.5. I hear they may not do anything right away on Patten (who would only save $750,000), although I still stick to my original Crystal Ball prediction that he gets let go this offseason. Cuttin Wynn would add another $2.5 in cap space if needed. So they have some wiggle room.

Oh yeah, and one other thing, this Vilma/Portis crap has got to stop. Joe Gibbs love CP. Loves him. Heck, I'll write it again. Loves him. Does not want to think about him not being on the roster. Can't imagine it. They are not shopping him or trying to move him in any way.

Also, spoke to someone very close to Vilma today to try to end that nonsense once and for all. If Vilma is being shopped no one has told him. If the Jets want to move him, no one has told him. There has been no contact from any outside teams. No teams have been granted contact to speak to him.

Could he eventually be traded in his NFL career? Sure. Wayne (bleeping) Gretzky was dealt, twice (right, the St. Louis deal was a trade and not FA, right?). Anyway, it's pretty much impossible to trade a guy in the NFL without him being in on it, because of the cap ramifications and the new contract they usually need from the new team and all of that. And Vilma has not heard a thing.

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-01-2007, 05:22 PM

But what OTHER team is going to pay that kind of cheddar to keep him?

MTK · 03-01-2007, 05:25 PM

At least he put to bed the silly Portis for Vilma rumors

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-01-2007, 05:26 PM

True enough.

Still though, I don't see how some OTHER team is going to break the bank on Dockery for that kind of money. Sure, WE might not do it, but who else is? I mean DAMN.

hooskins · 03-01-2007, 05:26 PM

Yeah I am glad those are gone. Just because Betts does well for a bit, everyone forgets how good CP actually is. Sometimes I really question our own fans.

12thMan · 03-01-2007, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

But what OTHER team is going to pay that kind of cheddar to keep him?

Exactly. I think the Skins are going to see what the market is for Dock first, then offer something close hoping he wants to be Redskin.

724Skinsfan · 03-01-2007, 05:26 PM

If Dock isn't signed...

me!

I wonder if there is any chance Thomas will be available at the #6 spot? Resign Wade? Panic?

hooskins · 03-01-2007, 05:27 PM

I am not much of a cap expert, but couldnt we give him one of those low salary high bonus deals?

Or that will hurt the cap too.

Redskins_P · 03-01-2007, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

But what OTHER team is going to pay that kind of cheddar to keep him?

Thats what I'm saying! I don't think his value is high enough to command that much money.

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-01-2007, 05:29 PM

If someone offers him the reported twelve million, they are officially crazier than Danny.

If someone offers him 9-10 mil, I say we match it and see where his loyalties lie.

hooskins · 03-01-2007, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

If someone offers him the reported twelve million, they are officially crazier than Danny.

If someone offers him 9-10 mil, I say we match it and see where his loyalties lie.

Then we cant make moves, how will we get another CB then?

5RINGS · 03-01-2007, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

If someone offers him the reported twelve million, they are officially crazier than Danny.

If someone offers him 9-10 mil, I say we match it and see where his loyalties lie.

Loyalty?!?!

Pro Sports?!?!

Loyalty?!?!

724Skinsfan · 03-01-2007, 05:32 PM

If he wants that kind of money then they are going to have to let him shop and hope to resign him after he realizes his market value isn't as great as he or his agent believes.

dmek25 · 03-01-2007, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5RINGS

Loyalty?!?!

Pro Sports?!?!

Loyalty?!?!

we talkin about loyalty? not gettin paid, loyalty?

FRPLG · 03-01-2007, 05:48 PM

Well that's fine to say he wants too much. What are the f***ing options though otherwise?

03-01-2007, 05:19 PM	#1
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	JLC: Hope fading for Dockery? I Can't Stop Blogging ... Somebody Give Me a Raise (Dock, Brunell and Salary Cap Stuff) - Redskins Insider Alright peeps, got some cap info for you (I don't feel so bad for letting DCsween, Haiku and the boys buy me some shots the other night, 'cause, frankly, I'm earning in now y'all). I know I wrote earlier that my gut on Dock was they re-sign him. Well, after making a bunch of calls and hearing where this market really could be going (Steinbach getting $16 to sign!!) it seems like Dock could blow past what Jansen got a few weeks back. I hear $12 million guaranteed might be the number to keep Dock, and given all the Skins already have tied up in their offensive line, how crazy this market is going, and their pressing needs on D, I could see them letting him go. Again, this is all in flux and one phone call from The Owner around 11:55 could get it done, but this seems like a bizarro world market, devoid of immense talent but with cap room spilling over and only a few quality dudes to spend it on. I have a bunch of other Dock-related stuff but I ain't puttin' it all out here now. A) I get the feeling sometimes that I am doing my competition's work for them, and b) gots to give you guys a reason to pony up your 35 cents every morning. On to the cap, my most beloved main man on all salary-cap issues (you know who you are) tells me the Skins as of today are roughly $6 million under the cap, give or take a few hundy-thou, after yesterday's moves (cutting Fauria and doing a new deal with Brunell). Also, I got some hard and fast numbers on Brunell. he went from a $6.7 cap hit to $3.5. He gets about $1.1 in base salary, a $500,000 roster bonus in June and, throw in the old proration from the original signing bonus and, VIOLA (oops I did it again), you get the new cap hit. So, they're 6 under now. Cutting Hall gives them another $1.5. I hear they may not do anything right away on Patten (who would only save $750,000), although I still stick to my original Crystal Ball prediction that he gets let go this offseason. Cuttin Wynn would add another $2.5 in cap space if needed. So they have some wiggle room. Oh yeah, and one other thing, this Vilma/Portis crap has got to stop. Joe Gibbs love CP. Loves him. Heck, I'll write it again. Loves him. Does not want to think about him not being on the roster. Can't imagine it. They are not shopping him or trying to move him in any way. Also, spoke to someone very close to Vilma today to try to end that nonsense once and for all. If Vilma is being shopped no one has told him. If the Jets want to move him, no one has told him. There has been no contact from any outside teams. No teams have been granted contact to speak to him. Could he eventually be traded in his NFL career? Sure. Wayne (bleeping) Gretzky was dealt, twice (right, the St. Louis deal was a trade and not FA, right?). Anyway, it's pretty much impossible to trade a guy in the NFL without him being in on it, because of the cap ramifications and the new contract they usually need from the new team and all of that. And Vilma has not heard a thing. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-01-2007, 05:22 PM	#2
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: JLC: Hope fading for Dockery? But what OTHER team is going to pay that kind of cheddar to keep him? __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

03-01-2007, 05:25 PM	#3
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03-01-2007, 05:26 PM	#4
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: JLC: Hope fading for Dockery? True enough. Still though, I don't see how some OTHER team is going to break the bank on Dockery for that kind of money. Sure, WE might not do it, but who else is? I mean DAMN. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

03-01-2007, 05:26 PM	#5
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 37 Posts: 8,606	Re: JLC: Hope fading for Dockery? Yeah I am glad those are gone. Just because Betts does well for a bit, everyone forgets how good CP actually is. Sometimes I really question our own fans. __________________ Vacancy

03-01-2007, 05:26 PM	#7
724Skinsfan Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Roanoke, VA Posts: 3,508	Re: JLC: Hope fading for Dockery? If Dock isn't signed... me! I wonder if there is any chance Thomas will be available at the #6 spot? Resign Wade? Panic? __________________ "I hope I'm getting better. I hope you haven't seen my best." - Jim Zorn

03-01-2007, 05:27 PM	#8
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 37 Posts: 8,606	Re: JLC: Hope fading for Dockery? I am not much of a cap expert, but couldnt we give him one of those low salary high bonus deals? Or that will hurt the cap too. __________________ Vacancy

03-01-2007, 05:29 PM	#10
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: JLC: Hope fading for Dockery? If someone offers him the reported twelve million, they are officially crazier than Danny. If someone offers him 9-10 mil, I say we match it and see where his loyalties lie. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

03-01-2007, 05:32 PM	#13
724Skinsfan Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Roanoke, VA Posts: 3,508	Re: JLC: Hope fading for Dockery? If he wants that kind of money then they are going to have to let him shop and hope to resign him after he realizes his market value isn't as great as he or his agent believes. __________________ "I hope I'm getting better. I hope you haven't seen my best." - Jim Zorn

03-01-2007, 05:48 PM	#15
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: JLC: Hope fading for Dockery? Well that's fine to say he wants too much. What are the f***ing options though otherwise?

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