Arrington Grievence

SKINSnCANES · 07-09-2004, 05:05 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2004Jul8.html

arbitration it is. I hope he doestn get they money, it would serioulsy screw up our cap.

skins009 · 07-09-2004, 05:35 PM

Lavar has already gotten more than enough money. He's kidding himself, with this whole 6.5 mill thing. I think its his dumb ass agent whose starting this whole thing up. Hope he doesn't affect his play on the field.

RedskinRat · 07-09-2004, 06:27 PM

I don't think it'll affect his relationship with the team, maybe with his idiot Agent who screwed things up in the first place.

That Guy · 07-09-2004, 09:09 PM

how come agents can screw over players with incompetence and never get fired? It amazes me how much trust is put into some of these guys...

skinsfanthru&thru · 07-09-2004, 10:14 PM

It's a signed legal document so there fore he should have to honor it. of course that runs the chance of sverely lowering the likelyhood of him restructuring it in a couple years.

sportscurmudgeon · 07-09-2004, 11:49 PM

I remember last February when all the legal experts posting here said that Terrell Owens did not have a prayer of getting his free agency from the 49ers and his agent was a dumbass who should be fired before he was drawn and quartered. I don't remember any apologies from all those legal experts posting here saying that they were the dumbasses who did not know what they were talking about when they made their postings. Unless I've been living in a time warp, TO is now in Philly, no?

Wait until the arbitration hearings are over and the arbitrator makes his decision and then decide if:

a. The Poston Brothers are incompetent boobs who probably can't find their asses with either hand.

b. LaVar is a money-grubber.

c. Danny Boy and company are a bunch of lying weasels.

d. This was a misunderstanding and should have been caught in the negotiation/contract review process but was not.

e. The Postons are incompetent AND LaVar is a money-grubber AND Danny Boy and company are lying weasels.

Here is the dangerous outcome for the Redskins:

IF - notice I said IF because I DON'T KNOW - the arbitrator finds that there was some kind of intentional misrepresentation of the contract by the Redskins to the NFL and the NFLPA, then that misrepresentation MIGHT have resulted in a prior violation of the salary cap last year or during this offseason, and that would call for sanctions against the team as set out in the Collective Bargaining Agreement. That would be a BAD THING because losing high draft picks is one of the possible sanctions. Yes, I said "picks" in the plural!

The fact that the Redskins are allowing this to go to arbitration and not settling it out of that process tells me that they are very confident that even if they lose the arbitration, they will not get hit with sanctions. If they have not considered that part of the equation and they lose, then they are not only lying weasels, they are stupid beyond belief.

MTK · 07-10-2004, 12:11 AM

If I had to bet I'd say LaVar loses out on this fight. From the sounds of it he has alot to prove to back up his case.

I wish he would have just dropped this and moved on. I'm sure he really feels like he was somehow wronged by the team, but to me this smells of a case of an incompetent agent and a player too dumb to admit to the same.

SmootSmack · 07-10-2004, 01:28 AM

curmudgeon holding true to his name. gotta love it

manicd · 07-10-2004, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by smootsmack

curmudgeon holding true to his name. gotta love it

and the avatar he has is telling; as he boots the football, the football of injustice. j/k

Gmanc711 · 07-10-2004, 07:36 AM

Two Quick Points.

A.) LaVar will lose out on this , I really dont see where he has a case at all. Its just Poston being a dumbass and not doing his job.

I really dont think this is going to effect the relationship with the team too much, at least not at this point.He seemed to drop the whole situation earlier, and I dont really see it starting up too badly again. They will have their hearing behind closed doors and hopefully everything is worked out. It wouldnt shock me in the least to hear a big no, when we go to do more negotaitions with him in the future. As for the next couple years though, I still think were alright.

joecrisp · 07-10-2004, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

how come agents can screw over players with incompetence and never get fired? It amazes me how much trust is put into some of these guys...

The Postons, in particular, are known for developing a very tight bond with their clients. They do whatever they can to ingratiate themselves to their clients, to the point where their clients think of them almost like family members. To wit, some of the players whom the Postons represent-- particularly those who grew up without a strong fatherly presence-- willingly allow the Postons to take on the father figure role in their lives.

The Postons are smart-- they know that forming a close personal bond with their clients will ensure a long, profitable business relationship with them as well. It's easy to fire some guy that acts like a used car salesman-- as some of these agents do-- but it's infinitely more difficult to do that to someone who you think of as 'family'.

BrudLee · 07-10-2004, 09:00 AM

sportscurmudgeon-
In defense of the legal experts (myself included - seasons 1&2 of Law and Order on DVD) who made the statements regarding Owens's status, the arbitrator never made a decision in the case - all parties settled. We can presume that the outcome would have granted Owens free agent status, but we can't verify that. We can also say that, regardless of the final outcome, months of bad press and strife could have been avoided if David Joseph had bothered to read any correspondence regarding his one client. I find it difficult to believe that Terrell Owens couldn't have made a better deal for himself if he had been on the open market, and had multiple teams bidding for his services. That's why I thought Joseph should've been canned - incompetence comes in many forms, and I feel he acted incompetently.

Daseal · 07-10-2004, 10:40 AM

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We can also say that, regardless of the final outcome, months of bad press and strife could have been avoided if David Joseph had bothered to read any correspondence regarding his one client.

Here's the thing, Brud. David Joseph was smart enough to build a seperate clause into T.O.'s contract that allowed him to be a free agent up to X date. This contract was reviewed and accepted by the NFLPA. The problem here is the NFL/Teams had no case, and they knew they didn't have a case. I don't think he expected this to turn into such a big deal as it did, but he covered his bases while writing the contract.

sportscurmudgeon · 07-10-2004, 07:59 PM

BrudLee:

You are absolutely correct that the arbitrator did not make a decision in the Terrell Owens case. However, the end result is that TO became a free agent which is what most folks here said would NEVER happen because he had no case.

I'm perfectly willing to admit that I don't know what happened in the Arrington/Redskins negotiations. I don't believe that the beat reporters for the Wash Post or the Wash Times or ESPN know either. Please note that Joe Crisp has not chimed in here to set all of us straight because he knows each and every detail either. Those negotiations were private meaning we do not know yet what was going on there.

Therefore, I don't feel qualified to make a judgment yet regarding the viability of Arrington's case or if this is all one giant misunderstanding. I'm just amazed how people will take sides in a matter like this without knowing any of the facts. Just because Arrington is a Redskin doesn't mean he can't be at fault. And just because Danny Boy owns the Redskins does not mean he can't be at fault. But it seems to me that a lot of folks are ready to blame the agents here just because they aren't tied to the Redskins. I'll wait and see.

As I said in my earlier post, the thing to hope for is that there is no finding of an intentional misrepresentation of the contract to the NFL and/or the NFLPA by the Redskins because that will carry sanctions for the team. That would suck!!

MTK · 07-10-2004, 08:36 PM

I'm not necessarily "taking sides", I'm just stating my opinion on the situation.

I don't know who's wrong or right, but if I had to guess I'd say it's Arrington and the Postons. But who really knows? I guess we'll have to wait and see. It's still fun to speculate though.

07-09-2004, 05:05 PM	#1
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	Arrington Grievence http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2004Jul8.html arbitration it is. I hope he doestn get they money, it would serioulsy screw up our cap. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

07-10-2004, 01:28 AM	#8
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	curmudgeon holding true to his name. gotta love it __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

07-10-2004, 09:00 AM	#12
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	sportscurmudgeon- In defense of the legal experts (myself included - seasons 1&2 of Law and Order on DVD) who made the statements regarding Owens's status, the arbitrator never made a decision in the case - all parties settled. We can presume that the outcome would have granted Owens free agent status, but we can't verify that. We can also say that, regardless of the final outcome, months of bad press and strife could have been avoided if David Joseph had bothered to read any correspondence regarding his one client. I find it difficult to believe that Terrell Owens couldn't have made a better deal for himself if he had been on the open market, and had multiple teams bidding for his services. That's why I thought Joseph should've been canned - incompetence comes in many forms, and I feel he acted incompetently. __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

07-09-2004, 05:35 PM	#2
skins009 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 528	Lavar has already gotten more than enough money. He's kidding himself, with this whole 6.5 mill thing. I think its his dumb ass agent whose starting this whole thing up. Hope he doesn't affect his play on the field.

07-09-2004, 06:27 PM	#3
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	I don't think it'll affect his relationship with the team, maybe with his idiot Agent who screwed things up in the first place.

07-09-2004, 09:09 PM	#4
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	how come agents can screw over players with incompetence and never get fired? It amazes me how much trust is put into some of these guys...

07-09-2004, 10:14 PM	#5
skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 44 Posts: 3,813	It's a signed legal document so there fore he should have to honor it. of course that runs the chance of sverely lowering the likelyhood of him restructuring it in a couple years.

07-09-2004, 11:49 PM	#6
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	I remember last February when all the legal experts posting here said that Terrell Owens did not have a prayer of getting his free agency from the 49ers and his agent was a dumbass who should be fired before he was drawn and quartered. I don't remember any apologies from all those legal experts posting here saying that they were the dumbasses who did not know what they were talking about when they made their postings. Unless I've been living in a time warp, TO is now in Philly, no? Wait until the arbitration hearings are over and the arbitrator makes his decision and then decide if: a. The Poston Brothers are incompetent boobs who probably can't find their asses with either hand. b. LaVar is a money-grubber. c. Danny Boy and company are a bunch of lying weasels. d. This was a misunderstanding and should have been caught in the negotiation/contract review process but was not. e. The Postons are incompetent AND LaVar is a money-grubber AND Danny Boy and company are lying weasels. Here is the dangerous outcome for the Redskins: IF - notice I said IF because I DON'T KNOW - the arbitrator finds that there was some kind of intentional misrepresentation of the contract by the Redskins to the NFL and the NFLPA, then that misrepresentation MIGHT have resulted in a prior violation of the salary cap last year or during this offseason, and that would call for sanctions against the team as set out in the Collective Bargaining Agreement. That would be a BAD THING because losing high draft picks is one of the possible sanctions. Yes, I said "picks" in the plural! The fact that the Redskins are allowing this to go to arbitration and not settling it out of that process tells me that they are very confident that even if they lose the arbitration, they will not get hit with sanctions. If they have not considered that part of the equation and they lose, then they are not only lying weasels, they are stupid beyond belief.

07-10-2004, 12:11 AM	#7
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	If I had to bet I'd say LaVar loses out on this fight. From the sounds of it he has alot to prove to back up his case. I wish he would have just dropped this and moved on. I'm sure he really feels like he was somehow wronged by the team, but to me this smells of a case of an incompetent agent and a player too dumb to admit to the same.

07-10-2004, 07:36 AM	#10
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	Two Quick Points. A.) LaVar will lose out on this , I really dont see where he has a case at all. Its just Poston being a dumbass and not doing his job. I really dont think this is going to effect the relationship with the team too much, at least not at this point.He seemed to drop the whole situation earlier, and I dont really see it starting up too badly again. They will have their hearing behind closed doors and hopefully everything is worked out. It wouldnt shock me in the least to hear a big no, when we go to do more negotaitions with him in the future. As for the next couple years though, I still think were alright.

07-10-2004, 07:59 PM	#14
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	BrudLee: You are absolutely correct that the arbitrator did not make a decision in the Terrell Owens case. However, the end result is that TO became a free agent which is what most folks here said would NEVER happen because he had no case. I'm perfectly willing to admit that I don't know what happened in the Arrington/Redskins negotiations. I don't believe that the beat reporters for the Wash Post or the Wash Times or ESPN know either. Please note that Joe Crisp has not chimed in here to set all of us straight because he knows each and every detail either. Those negotiations were private meaning we do not know yet what was going on there. Therefore, I don't feel qualified to make a judgment yet regarding the viability of Arrington's case or if this is all one giant misunderstanding. I'm just amazed how people will take sides in a matter like this without knowing any of the facts. Just because Arrington is a Redskin doesn't mean he can't be at fault. And just because Danny Boy owns the Redskins does not mean he can't be at fault. But it seems to me that a lot of folks are ready to blame the agents here just because they aren't tied to the Redskins. I'll wait and see. As I said in my earlier post, the thing to hope for is that there is no finding of an intentional misrepresentation of the contract to the NFL and/or the NFLPA by the Redskins because that will carry sanctions for the team. That would suck!!

07-10-2004, 08:36 PM	#15
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	I'm not necessarily "taking sides", I'm just stating my opinion on the situation. I don't know who's wrong or right, but if I had to guess I'd say it's Arrington and the Postons. But who really knows? I guess we'll have to wait and see. It's still fun to speculate though.

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