Carter and Lloyd Looking Promising

The Zimmermans · 11-16-2006, 04:04 PM

I've noticed in the last few weeks that these two free agent acquisitions are starting to get comfortable in the system and have begun to make plays. Maybe Carter wasn't a bust, I just feel he needs to be put in a better position to make plays. These two players have a lot of talent, and they are here to stay in my mind. Your thoughts.

hooskins · 11-16-2006, 04:08 PM

Im not to sure about Carter, he seems too small, and he gets pushed around. I haven't seen the speed we heard about in the offseason.

Now I have been sweating Lloyd since the preseason lol. This kid is a baller, and it is unfortunate because his number hasn't been called enough this year. I always see him laying it out on the line every play, if it is a pass to him or a run.

I remember the run Portis had for a TD agaisnt Dallas, that was all Lloyd blocking, and he was really excited. That is what I wanna see out of a deadbeat skins team, passion.

When we are losing, Lloyd seems to be in pain, if you look at him on the sideline, he looks like the kid playing football in the park. Fights really hard every game and wants to win. He has a pulse, and I am not to sure the rest of this team has that.

I hope he stays with us for many years.

ArtMonkDrillz · 11-16-2006, 04:18 PM

I've been very impressed with Lloyd's downfield blocking on both runs and passes to other receivers. Likewise, I've been happy with some of the catches he's made, especially since he hardly ever see the ball. I'd like to see him run more after the catch, but we all knew that he isn't known for that coming into the season, so I can deal with it.

As for Carter, I'm not impressed but I don't think he's completely useless. One thing that I found really funny was during the dallas game my buddy turned to me and said, "the problem with Carter is that he basically just runs up the field, so he's hardly ever near the ball." On the very next play dallas tried that reverse with glenn; since Carter was already 8 yards into the backfield (and 4 yards past the QB) he was in perfect position to make a nice tackle for a loss.

mooby · 11-16-2006, 04:19 PM

One thing i heard about Lloyd and Randle El is they do not scramble around to get open when the pocket breaks down and Brunell was forced to run. I haven't seen that for myself but I'm hoping that's not the case.

Paintrain · 11-16-2006, 04:20 PM

Andre Carter? ;-)

hooskins · 11-16-2006, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mooby

One thing i heard about Lloyd and Randle El is they do not scramble around to get open when the pocket breaks down and Brunell was forced to run. I haven't seen that for myself but I'm hoping that's not the case.

You heard that from BMitch or the game annoucer i think lol. I think that might be true to an extent, but that is with Brunell. I think the recievers knew he couldnt get it to him. I doubt that will be an issue with Campbell.

The Zimmermans · 11-16-2006, 04:22 PM

yeah, leave the YAC up to moss and randle el, that is their specialty, while I think lloyd could become more of a redzone threat with his jumping ability.

Carter just isnt being used correctly, I think he would thrive in the 3-4. He's better when he starts the play upright. We don't have many athletes on our defense, we lack speed, that is something he brings to the table. You have to admit he is making some plays.

hooskins · 11-16-2006, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

yeah, leave the YAC up to moss and randle el, that is their specialty, while I think lloyd could become more of a redzone threat with his jumping ability.

Carter just isnt being used correctly, I think he would thrive in the 3-4. He's better when he starts the play upright. We don't have many athletes on our defense, we lack speed, that is something he brings to the table. You have to admit he is making some plays.

I dont think changing into a 3-4 is the answer. And he did play 3-4 last year with SF, and he didnt put up great numbers.

I just say give him time, and let's see what happens. Let the D gel.

GhettoDogAllStars · 11-16-2006, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hooskins

I remember the run Portis had for a TD agaisnt Dallas, that was all Lloyd blocking, and he was really excited. That is what I wanna see out of a deadbeat skins team, passion.

Word. That was great blocking, and he was SO pumped after that. He deserves most of the credit for that play ending in a TD. I can't say anything bad about Lloyd ... still waiting on Carter though :/

GhettoDogAllStars · 11-16-2006, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by hooskins

I dont think changing into a 3-4 is the answer. And he did play 3-4 last year with SF, and he didnt put up great numbers.

I just say give him time, and let's see what happens. Let the D gel.

Yeah, he played 3-4 last year in SF, but he was a LB. Still, I think he'd do worse in a 3-4 ... he needs as much help on the line as he can get.

EternalEnigma21 · 11-16-2006, 04:36 PM

lloyd is quickly becoming one of my favorite redskins. I like his passion and his enthusiasm. I thought it was cool of him to post a blog during training camp and he seems to have amazing physical gifts for someone as freakin skinny as that guy is...lol...

hooskins · 11-16-2006, 04:41 PM

Lloyd=Tyrone Biggums anyone?

GhettoDogAllStars · 11-16-2006, 04:43 PM

Oh yeah ... in an interview Lloyd was once quoted as saying he loves crack and peanut butter sandwiches ... hehe.

TheMalcolmConnection · 11-16-2006, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by hooskins

I dont think changing into a 3-4 is the answer. And he did play 3-4 last year with SF, and he didnt put up great numbers.

I just say give him time, and let's see what happens. Let the D gel.

If we're thinking 3-4, THAT'S where you could actually use Archuleta.

That Guy · 11-16-2006, 05:11 PM

lloyd isn't bad and he blocks well.... lloyd and el are still overpaid though (the next highest offer to el was 8mill SB, 18mill total - vs our 10mill SB, 31mill total).

carter' looked average at best

he's shown some improvement though, but for what he's paid? :/

and yes, you need to judge performance according to contracts, because those huge overheads hurt the team's ability to improve.

11-16-2006, 04:04 PM	#1
The Zimmermans Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodley Park, Washington DC Age: 40 Posts: 937	Carter and Lloyd Looking Promising I've noticed in the last few weeks that these two free agent acquisitions are starting to get comfortable in the system and have begun to make plays. Maybe Carter wasn't a bust, I just feel he needs to be put in a better position to make plays. These two players have a lot of talent, and they are here to stay in my mind. Your thoughts. __________________ Dan Snyder is a Cancer, Joe Gibbs is the Cure

11-16-2006, 04:08 PM	#2
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 37 Posts: 8,606	Re: Carter and Lloyd Looking Promising Im not to sure about Carter, he seems too small, and he gets pushed around. I haven't seen the speed we heard about in the offseason. Now I have been sweating Lloyd since the preseason lol. This kid is a baller, and it is unfortunate because his number hasn't been called enough this year. I always see him laying it out on the line every play, if it is a pass to him or a run. I remember the run Portis had for a TD agaisnt Dallas, that was all Lloyd blocking, and he was really excited. That is what I wanna see out of a deadbeat skins team, passion. When we are losing, Lloyd seems to be in pain, if you look at him on the sideline, he looks like the kid playing football in the park. Fights really hard every game and wants to win. He has a pulse, and I am not to sure the rest of this team has that. I hope he stays with us for many years. __________________ Vacancy

11-16-2006, 04:18 PM	#3
ArtMonkDrillz Franchise Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ellicott City, MD Age: 42 Posts: 8,029	Re: Carter and Lloyd Looking Promising I've been very impressed with Lloyd's downfield blocking on both runs and passes to other receivers. Likewise, I've been happy with some of the catches he's made, especially since he hardly ever see the ball. I'd like to see him run more after the catch, but we all knew that he isn't known for that coming into the season, so I can deal with it. As for Carter, I'm not impressed but I don't think he's completely useless. One thing that I found really funny was during the dallas game my buddy turned to me and said, "the problem with Carter is that he basically just runs up the field, so he's hardly ever near the ball." On the very next play dallas tried that reverse with glenn; since Carter was already 8 yards into the backfield (and 4 yards past the QB) he was in perfect position to make a nice tackle for a loss. __________________ "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." The Dude

11-16-2006, 04:19 PM	#4
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,446	Re: Carter and Lloyd Looking Promising One thing i heard about Lloyd and Randle El is they do not scramble around to get open when the pocket breaks down and Brunell was forced to run. I haven't seen that for myself but I'm hoping that's not the case.

11-16-2006, 04:20 PM	#5
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	Re: Carter and Lloyd Looking Promising Andre Carter? ;-) __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

11-16-2006, 04:22 PM	#7
The Zimmermans Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodley Park, Washington DC Age: 40 Posts: 937	Re: Carter and Lloyd Looking Promising yeah, leave the YAC up to moss and randle el, that is their specialty, while I think lloyd could become more of a redzone threat with his jumping ability. Carter just isnt being used correctly, I think he would thrive in the 3-4. He's better when he starts the play upright. We don't have many athletes on our defense, we lack speed, that is something he brings to the table. You have to admit he is making some plays. __________________ Dan Snyder is a Cancer, Joe Gibbs is the Cure

11-16-2006, 04:36 PM	#11
EternalEnigma21 Assistant Regional Mod Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Carbondale CO Age: 44 Posts: 2,958	Re: Carter and Lloyd Looking Promising lloyd is quickly becoming one of my favorite redskins. I like his passion and his enthusiasm. I thought it was cool of him to post a blog during training camp and he seems to have amazing physical gifts for someone as freakin skinny as that guy is...lol... __________________ I am the brute squad.

11-16-2006, 04:41 PM	#12
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 37 Posts: 8,606	Re: Carter and Lloyd Looking Promising Lloyd=Tyrone Biggums anyone? __________________ Vacancy

11-16-2006, 04:43 PM	#13
GhettoDogAllStars Playmaker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Age: 42 Posts: 2,762	Re: Carter and Lloyd Looking Promising Oh yeah ... in an interview Lloyd was once quoted as saying he loves crack and peanut butter sandwiches ... hehe. __________________ To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered.

11-16-2006, 05:11 PM	#15
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: Carter and Lloyd Looking Promising lloyd isn't bad and he blocks well.... lloyd and el are still overpaid though (the next highest offer to el was 8mill SB, 18mill total - vs our 10mill SB, 31mill total). carter' looked average at best he's shown some improvement though, but for what he's paid? :/ and yes, you need to judge performance according to contracts, because those huge overheads hurt the team's ability to improve.

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