Redskins, Jaguars interested in Ogunleye

Redskins_P · 06-21-2004, 09:56 AM

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/f...dolphins-front

I wonder what it would take to get this guy....

SKINSnCANES · 06-21-2004, 10:43 AM

well they wanted a first and third before. I dotn think we should give up that much but if they wanted less then mabye. At this point im sure they dont want to have him not play and get no compensation.

It would be a shame if we traded, lets say a first, to get him and then he ended up just being a product of all the talent around him in Miami and wasnt that good here.

Carnage · 06-21-2004, 10:47 AM

Rosenhause is going to keep our names in the paper for leverage.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 06-21-2004, 12:08 PM

If we can get him for say a 2nd rounder and Gardner, I say definately go for it. I think that is possible. But, didn't we trade a 2nd next year for a 3rd this year (Cooley)?

memphisskin · 06-21-2004, 12:10 PM

It's a good match, he could be the difference between a good defense and a great defense. Our secondary should be improved, but we do have a rookie free safety so we need to get some pressure on the qb to help him out. Our linebackers should be better, I think moving LaVar to the weakside will help him make more plays because Armstead always seemed to be in position to make plays on the weak side. A dime package with LaVar on one end and Ogunleye on the other would be nice.

A first and third would seem to be a bit high, and I think our 3rd rounder is in Jacksonville as a result of the Brunell deal.

What about moving Samuels and a 4th rounder for Ogunleye? I hate to part with a top 5 left tackle, but Ogunleye do for us what Kearse did for Tennessee under Williams. And we really do need a pass rusher and he's about the only one available at this point.

MTK · 06-21-2004, 12:25 PM

Lining up across from Jason Taylor has definitely padded his sack stats a bit, but he is a legit double digit sack guy in any scheme.

I just wouldn't want to see us sell the farm for him.

I'm not even sure how "interested" the Redskins are. Anytime a big name free agent becomes available the Redskins are always on the list of the interested teams. I'm sure they are "curious", but how much so is yet to be seen.

I think the Dolphins would be crazy to settle for anything less than a first round pick plus another pick/player.

raleighskinsfan · 06-21-2004, 12:43 PM

I personally would not mind giving up a first and a third for an excellent YOUNG pass rusher who led the AFC in sacks last year, and had 9.5 the year before when he wasn't even starting. This guy is entering his prime, and hopefully our first and third picks next year will be near the bottom of the order since we're going to do well this year

To me, pass rusher is the last missing piece. If we had that, I think we'd be as close to complete as we need to be....

Big C · 06-21-2004, 12:51 PM

we cant give up samuels, and i doubt we will with Bugel. I would not want to give up a 1st round pick. I dont know why, but im not as high on him as everyone else, i know the stats are there, but im still a little wary. I like having a 1st round pick, makes the draft actually fun to watch.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 06-21-2004, 01:05 PM

I don’t think that it’s crazy for the Dolphins to accept something less than a 1st rounder and a player. Ogunleye appears to be quite serious about not playing if he doesn’t get a long-term contract. If he does indeed sit out until midway through the season, the Dolphins locker room will be soured, Miami’s pass-rushing threat will be degraded, Ogunleye will become a free agent next season, Miami will be able to do little more than slap a franchise tag on him to prevent him from leaving in 2005, and Miami will get no compensation if he does leave.

Rosenhaus is playing hardball and Miami knows it. I think they would be EXTREMELY lucky to get a 1st rounder AND a quality starting player for Ogunleye. If we are dumb enough to give up a 1st and say Gardner, we deserve to lose. That move would be even more stupid than the Brunell deal.

illdefined · 06-21-2004, 01:16 PM

young, intimdiating threat on the dline?? whens the last time we had that? even Champ Bailey couldn't cover forever or a perfect pass cuz the line applied no pressure.

he's young AND proven (like Lav Coles was). DEs in drafts are too much of a crapshoot in the NFL. it IS the missing piece and THIS is the guy.

MonkManiac · 06-21-2004, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

young, intimdiating threat on the dline?? whens the last time we had that? even Champ Bailey couldn't cover forever or a perfect pass cuz the line applied no pressure.

he's young AND proven (like Lav Coles was). DEs in drafts are too much of a crapshoot in the NFL. it IS the missing piece and THIS is the guy.

Isn't this the Big Daddy/Stubblefield argument? The point that has been made about productivity as a result of being part of a stud unit is well-taken. I like Oguleye, but he is not THE missing piece.

skinsfanthru&thru · 06-21-2004, 02:01 PM

there's no way anyone's gonna offer miami a 1st and 3rd now with ogunleye looking like a sure hold out in miami. if no one was willing to give miami that much before all of this, they sure as heck aren't going to now when miami has less leverage. i'll wait to hear what type of offers r in the mix to determine how much is too much or too little, but I think ogunleye would be an incredible addition to our d-line and maybe we can finally cut loose wynn's enormous salary for his rather low production. plus isn't ogunleye around 22 or 23? and they say d-lineman r the hardest players to judge coming out of college so if we can use our soon to be late round 1st round pick to get a talented, young de, then that doesn't sound to bad to me.

SKINSnCANES · 06-21-2004, 02:04 PM

mabye a first would be fair to offer for him. And it would be a huge upgrade for us this year. But look how much fun the draft was thsi year because we had a pick in the first round. Plus we need to save teh cap space, rookies are the best way to do that. A late first round rookie doesnt cost hardly anything. Where as Ogunlye wants somewhere between 16 and 30 million of upfront money.

illdefined · 06-21-2004, 02:18 PM

after Snyder FINALLY learned his lesson in not getting flashy players or big names, but young, NFL proven guys with chips on their shoulders and something to prove, i think Ogunleye is the man. in the most sorely needed spot too.

i dont care how fun the DRAFT will be, which is still a total gamble, i would rather have fun during the SEASON with Ogunleye and Arrington pinching QBs.

skinsfanthru&thru · 06-21-2004, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

mabye a first would be fair to offer for him. And it would be a huge upgrade for us this year. But look how much fun the draft was thsi year because we had a pick in the first round. Plus we need to save teh cap space, rookies are the best way to do that. A late first round rookie doesnt cost hardly anything. Where as Ogunlye wants somewhere between 16 and 30 million of upfront money.

but then the flipside to that is the unknown aspect of that drafted player translating his success to the nfl versus a proven young player at a position that is hard to find a solid playmaker at very often. I think a solid 5-6 year deal with a 11-15 million $ signing bonus isn't as bad as wasting a pick, contract, and roster spot on a player who may or may not pan out.
plus i'd rather win than watch the draft show, lol.

06-21-2004, 09:56 AM	#1
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 46 Posts: 4,101	Redskins, Jaguars interested in Ogunleye http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/f...dolphins-front I wonder what it would take to get this guy....

06-21-2004, 10:43 AM	#2
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	well they wanted a first and third before. I dotn think we should give up that much but if they wanted less then mabye. At this point im sure they dont want to have him not play and get no compensation. It would be a shame if we traded, lets say a first, to get him and then he ended up just being a product of all the talent around him in Miami and wasnt that good here. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

06-21-2004, 02:04 PM	#13
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	mabye a first would be fair to offer for him. And it would be a huge upgrade for us this year. But look how much fun the draft was thsi year because we had a pick in the first round. Plus we need to save teh cap space, rookies are the best way to do that. A late first round rookie doesnt cost hardly anything. Where as Ogunlye wants somewhere between 16 and 30 million of upfront money. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

06-21-2004, 10:47 AM	#3
Carnage Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 473	Rosenhause is going to keep our names in the paper for leverage.

06-21-2004, 12:08 PM	#4
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	If we can get him for say a 2nd rounder and Gardner, I say definately go for it. I think that is possible. But, didn't we trade a 2nd next year for a 3rd this year (Cooley)?

06-21-2004, 12:10 PM	#5
memphisskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nashville, TN Age: 53 Posts: 960	It's a good match, he could be the difference between a good defense and a great defense. Our secondary should be improved, but we do have a rookie free safety so we need to get some pressure on the qb to help him out. Our linebackers should be better, I think moving LaVar to the weakside will help him make more plays because Armstead always seemed to be in position to make plays on the weak side. A dime package with LaVar on one end and Ogunleye on the other would be nice. A first and third would seem to be a bit high, and I think our 3rd rounder is in Jacksonville as a result of the Brunell deal. What about moving Samuels and a 4th rounder for Ogunleye? I hate to part with a top 5 left tackle, but Ogunleye do for us what Kearse did for Tennessee under Williams. And we really do need a pass rusher and he's about the only one available at this point.

06-21-2004, 12:25 PM	#6
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Lining up across from Jason Taylor has definitely padded his sack stats a bit, but he is a legit double digit sack guy in any scheme. I just wouldn't want to see us sell the farm for him. I'm not even sure how "interested" the Redskins are. Anytime a big name free agent becomes available the Redskins are always on the list of the interested teams. I'm sure they are "curious", but how much so is yet to be seen. I think the Dolphins would be crazy to settle for anything less than a first round pick plus another pick/player.

06-21-2004, 12:43 PM	#7
raleighskinsfan Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 62	I personally would not mind giving up a first and a third for an excellent YOUNG pass rusher who led the AFC in sacks last year, and had 9.5 the year before when he wasn't even starting. This guy is entering his prime, and hopefully our first and third picks next year will be near the bottom of the order since we're going to do well this year To me, pass rusher is the last missing piece. If we had that, I think we'd be as close to complete as we need to be....

06-21-2004, 12:51 PM	#8
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	we cant give up samuels, and i doubt we will with Bugel. I would not want to give up a 1st round pick. I dont know why, but im not as high on him as everyone else, i know the stats are there, but im still a little wary. I like having a 1st round pick, makes the draft actually fun to watch.

06-21-2004, 01:05 PM	#9
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	I don’t think that it’s crazy for the Dolphins to accept something less than a 1st rounder and a player. Ogunleye appears to be quite serious about not playing if he doesn’t get a long-term contract. If he does indeed sit out until midway through the season, the Dolphins locker room will be soured, Miami’s pass-rushing threat will be degraded, Ogunleye will become a free agent next season, Miami will be able to do little more than slap a franchise tag on him to prevent him from leaving in 2005, and Miami will get no compensation if he does leave. Rosenhaus is playing hardball and Miami knows it. I think they would be EXTREMELY lucky to get a 1st rounder AND a quality starting player for Ogunleye. If we are dumb enough to give up a 1st and say Gardner, we deserve to lose. That move would be even more stupid than the Brunell deal.

06-21-2004, 01:16 PM	#10
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 48 Posts: 2,631	young, intimdiating threat on the dline?? whens the last time we had that? even Champ Bailey couldn't cover forever or a perfect pass cuz the line applied no pressure. he's young AND proven (like Lav Coles was). DEs in drafts are too much of a crapshoot in the NFL. it IS the missing piece and THIS is the guy.

06-21-2004, 02:01 PM	#12
skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 44 Posts: 3,813	there's no way anyone's gonna offer miami a 1st and 3rd now with ogunleye looking like a sure hold out in miami. if no one was willing to give miami that much before all of this, they sure as heck aren't going to now when miami has less leverage. i'll wait to hear what type of offers r in the mix to determine how much is too much or too little, but I think ogunleye would be an incredible addition to our d-line and maybe we can finally cut loose wynn's enormous salary for his rather low production. plus isn't ogunleye around 22 or 23? and they say d-lineman r the hardest players to judge coming out of college so if we can use our soon to be late round 1st round pick to get a talented, young de, then that doesn't sound to bad to me.

06-21-2004, 02:18 PM	#14
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 48 Posts: 2,631	after Snyder FINALLY learned his lesson in not getting flashy players or big names, but young, NFL proven guys with chips on their shoulders and something to prove, i think Ogunleye is the man. in the most sorely needed spot too. i dont care how fun the DRAFT will be, which is still a total gamble, i would rather have fun during the SEASON with Ogunleye and Arrington pinching QBs.

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