Are 21 and 31 over-rated?

TheBigD · 10-11-2006, 04:31 PM

first I just want to say that this is not to compare Taylor to Williams.

With that said, I think those two players are over-rated. The media and fans have gotten into their heads and made them think HARDEST HIT = WIN.

I see that both players get burnned, and when you are somone of Taylor's and Williams talent it shouldn't happen to you that badly.

I mean the game against the Jaguars Taylor put a vicious hit on the receiver but the guy still held on to the ball for a TD. In the game against the Eagles Williams gave up two huge plays because he is looking for the big hit.

My question then, are they really over-rated or are they playing the wrong positions?

dall-assblows · 10-11-2006, 04:37 PM

don't get me wrong but, taylor was amazing in coverage his rookie season, but now it seems like he just goes for the big hit rather than the ball. i don't know

Southpaw · 10-11-2006, 04:37 PM

Taylor has looked bad at times this season, because he's in a banged up secondary and the front four doesn't get any pressure AT ALL, which makes any secondary look bad. He's the playmaker on the defense and he single handedly solidified a win in the last game of the season last year, that put Washington into the playoffs.

Roy Williams on the other hand, was great his first couple seasons, and has lived off reputation ever since. The only plays I remember him making the last few seasons are the ones where he injures players with that bitch horse collar tackle that he invented.

Pocket$ $traight · 10-11-2006, 04:37 PM

I think the problem with 21 is that, with Springs hurt and Archuletta a coverage liability, too many coverage duties are falling to Taylor. People who like to criticize him say, "Look what Burress and Toomer did to Taylor". Well Taylor should not be covering #1 and #2 receivers one on one. The Redskins defensive scheme is in complete disarray right now. Maybe it is because Springs is out, Clark & Stoudtmire are gone, Prieleau is on the shelf etc. But this defense is a shell of it's former self ('05, '04).

dall-assblows · 10-11-2006, 04:37 PM

taylor is still my favorite player

FRPLG · 10-11-2006, 04:37 PM

Well I definitely think RW is overrated. He has always been a liability in pass coverage and at the end of the day a Safety has to bring something to the table in coverage. In the same vein I am starting to wonder when Taylor is gonna start making plays other than big hits. He covers lots of the field and always seems to be in on the tackle but I want to start seeing some high light reel coverage plays. It is only his 3rd year so I give him more leeway but I hope to see this happen by the end of this year.

hesscl34 · 10-11-2006, 04:39 PM

Taylor is picking up slack.. trying to make things happen.. so he isn't always consistent... Seems to be a "team" problem, not a Taylor problem. That man is a beast.. and a God in my book.

dall-assblows · 10-11-2006, 04:39 PM

i always think of how sean taylor would be as a linebacker, if he put on like a couple or so pounds, he would be amazing

FRPLG · 10-11-2006, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

I think the problem with 21 is that, with Springs hurt and Archuletta a coverage liability, too many coverage duties are falling to Taylor. People who like to criticize him say, "Look what Burress and Toomer did to Taylor". Well Taylor should not be covering #1 and #2 receivers one on one. The Redskins defensive scheme is in complete disarray right now. Maybe it is because Springs is out, Clark & Stoudtmire are gone, Prieleau is on the shelf etc. But this defense is a shell of it's former self ('05, '04).

I think 21 CAN cover almost any WR in the league. IF he was playing straight coverage. His problem is that he has to play coverage and run. Against any decent 1 or even 2 in this league heaping the responsibility on one guy makes it pretty easy to pop open. If he lined up at CB he'd be a pretty decent corner. But he can't do both well at the same time. It isn't physically possible to protect against the run while staying in coverage against a guy like Burress.

dall-assblows · 10-11-2006, 04:41 PM

sean taylor stripped barber who hasn't fumbled in like 2 years, i love that about him

Pocket$ $traight · 10-11-2006, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

I think 21 CAN cover almost any WR in the league. IF he was playing straight coverage. His problem is that he has to play coverage and run. Against any decent 1 or even 2 in this league heaping the responsibility on one guy makes it pretty easy to pop open. If he lined up at CB he'd be a pretty decent corner. But he can't do both well at the same time. It isn't physically possible to protect against the run while staying in coverage against a guy like Burress.

I also think he just had a bad game on Sunday when he wasn't able to cover anybody.

FRPLG · 10-11-2006, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by hesscl34

Taylor is picking up slack.. trying to make things happen.. so he isn't always consistent... Seems to be a "team" problem, not a Taylor problem. That man is a beast.. and a God in my book.

I think this is right. Taylor seems to be basically trying to contribute everywhere on D and is simply spread thin. If he could be free to roam like he was the last two years he'd be cracking skulls and picking passes all over. Now he is basically the fall back at every position in the secondary and supports all the LBs. The guy is a beast simpyl because he hasn't really looked too crappy in doing it. Imagine what our D would be without him. Jeez..scary to think about.

MTK · 10-11-2006, 04:44 PM

Williams is without a doubt one of the most overrated players in the game, right up there with Vick.

Taylor is a more complete package than Williams, and I'm not just being a homer.

FRPLG · 10-11-2006, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

I also think he just had a bad game on Sunday when he wasn't able to cover anybody.

I can't even remember a play this year where Taylor just broke into coverage. Every play where he seemed to get "beat" it was because he had to fill the middle zone for Run D and then drop into coverage. Not to say he hasn't made in positioning mistakes or anything but he does have a huge amount of responsibility out there and it has to be played perfect for it to work. You don't see any other Safeties doing what he does I don't think.

SouperMeister · 10-11-2006, 04:47 PM

Give Sean Taylor the front seven playing in front of Roy Williams and he would be the best safety in the league, by a wide margin.

I like Roy as a run stopper, but he has nowhere near the range that Taylor has patrolling deep. He made two bad plays against Philly that resulted in 40+ yard gains, one of which he let Eagles TE Smith run right past him while spying the backfield. The other was on the flea flicker TD, where he looked to have an angle to make a play on the ball but somehow came up short.

Taylor has admittedly been victimized a few times this season, but that has been mostly on plays where the coverage dictated that he match up 1-on-1 with a WR. Dallas NEVER puts Williams in that situation, because they know that it would be a lost cause.

10-11-2006, 04:37 PM	#3
Southpaw The Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: So. MD Age: 46 Posts: 1,319	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? Taylor has looked bad at times this season, because he's in a banged up secondary and the front four doesn't get any pressure AT ALL, which makes any secondary look bad. He's the playmaker on the defense and he single handedly solidified a win in the last game of the season last year, that put Washington into the playoffs. Roy Williams on the other hand, was great his first couple seasons, and has lived off reputation ever since. The only plays I remember him making the last few seasons are the ones where he injures players with that bitch horse collar tackle that he invented.

10-11-2006, 04:37 PM	#4
Pocket$ $traight Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Fairfax, VA Age: 48 Posts: 4,261	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? I think the problem with 21 is that, with Springs hurt and Archuletta a coverage liability, too many coverage duties are falling to Taylor. People who like to criticize him say, "Look what Burress and Toomer did to Taylor". Well Taylor should not be covering #1 and #2 receivers one on one. The Redskins defensive scheme is in complete disarray right now. Maybe it is because Springs is out, Clark & Stoudtmire are gone, Prieleau is on the shelf etc. But this defense is a shell of it's former self ('05, '04).

10-11-2006, 04:37 PM	#5
dall-assblows The Starter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: round the way Age: 41 Posts: 2,211	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? taylor is still my favorite player __________________ SOMEBODY PINCH ME

10-11-2006, 04:37 PM	#6
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? Well I definitely think RW is overrated. He has always been a liability in pass coverage and at the end of the day a Safety has to bring something to the table in coverage. In the same vein I am starting to wonder when Taylor is gonna start making plays other than big hits. He covers lots of the field and always seems to be in on the tackle but I want to start seeing some high light reel coverage plays. It is only his 3rd year so I give him more leeway but I hope to see this happen by the end of this year.

10-11-2006, 04:39 PM	#7
hesscl34 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Germantown, MD Posts: 2,782	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? Taylor is picking up slack.. trying to make things happen.. so he isn't always consistent... Seems to be a "team" problem, not a Taylor problem. That man is a beast.. and a God in my book.

10-11-2006, 04:31 PM	#1
TheBigD Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Washington DC area Posts: 215	Are 21 and 31 over-rated? first I just want to say that this is not to compare Taylor to Williams. With that said, I think those two players are over-rated. The media and fans have gotten into their heads and made them think HARDEST HIT = WIN. I see that both players get burnned, and when you are somone of Taylor's and Williams talent it shouldn't happen to you that badly. I mean the game against the Jaguars Taylor put a vicious hit on the receiver but the guy still held on to the ball for a TD. In the game against the Eagles Williams gave up two huge plays because he is looking for the big hit. My question then, are they really over-rated or are they playing the wrong positions?

10-11-2006, 04:37 PM	#2
dall-assblows The Starter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: round the way Age: 41 Posts: 2,211	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? don't get me wrong but, taylor was amazing in coverage his rookie season, but now it seems like he just goes for the big hit rather than the ball. i don't know __________________ SOMEBODY PINCH ME

10-11-2006, 04:39 PM	#8
dall-assblows The Starter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: round the way Age: 41 Posts: 2,211	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? i always think of how sean taylor would be as a linebacker, if he put on like a couple or so pounds, he would be amazing __________________ SOMEBODY PINCH ME

10-11-2006, 04:41 PM	#10
dall-assblows The Starter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: round the way Age: 41 Posts: 2,211	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? sean taylor stripped barber who hasn't fumbled in like 2 years, i love that about him __________________ SOMEBODY PINCH ME

10-11-2006, 04:44 PM	#13
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,464	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? Williams is without a doubt one of the most overrated players in the game, right up there with Vick. Taylor is a more complete package than Williams, and I'm not just being a homer. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

10-11-2006, 04:47 PM	#15
SouperMeister Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 60 Posts: 3,419	Re: Are 21 and 31 over-rated? Give Sean Taylor the front seven playing in front of Roy Williams and he would be the best safety in the league, by a wide margin. I like Roy as a run stopper, but he has nowhere near the range that Taylor has patrolling deep. He made two bad plays against Philly that resulted in 40+ yard gains, one of which he let Eagles TE Smith run right past him while spying the backfield. The other was on the flea flicker TD, where he looked to have an angle to make a play on the ball but somehow came up short. Taylor has admittedly been victimized a few times this season, but that has been mostly on plays where the coverage dictated that he match up 1-on-1 with a WR. Dallas NEVER puts Williams in that situation, because they know that it would be a lost cause.

Are 21 and 31 over-rated?

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