Monk vs Reed

LBrown43 · 10-03-2006, 04:16 PM

So talk is that Andre Reed is a chinch for the Hall of Fame. WHY?????
He was never on a Super Bowl Winner. His numbers are almost the same as Art's except he had 19 more TD's. The only reason he had more TD's is he was the only reciever of any note on the Bills. In Art's tenure we had Saunders and Clark among others who were gifted guys. Otherwise their numbers are very similar.
I just don't get it. Here you have a guy like Art Monk that is/was the epitomy of class and grace and he gets slapped in the face. Reed was a hot head (wasn't it Reed who got upset in the Super Bowl and cost his team the game by jerking off his helmet?)
I just don't get it. I am not saying he was not a great reciever because he was. I just see very little difference between him and Art and really feel that Art should have been a first ballot guy.
I know I am preching to the choir here but I just don't get the brush off Art gets. Whats not to love about the guy!!!

SmootSmack · 10-03-2006, 04:19 PM

He's a cinch? I hadn't heard that anywhere

LBrown43 · 10-03-2006, 04:20 PM

I submit this in support of my argument....Compare:

Art Monk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To:

Andre Reed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

LBrown43 · 10-03-2006, 04:22 PM

It was mentioned this weekend during one of the games and had read it several places in the past. Also Wikipedia says pretty much the same and that it was an "oversight" in his first year of eligibility.

onlydarksets · 10-03-2006, 04:29 PM

I haven't heard that he is a lock. I wouldn't trust Wikipedia - it now says he won't get in before Art Monk.

MTK · 10-03-2006, 04:31 PM

I haven't heard anything about him being a cinch either. At least not from a reliable source. I don't see him getting in before Monk.

LBrown43 · 10-03-2006, 04:33 PM

I know that is what Wikipedia says but I have read it before and heard again this weekend. Just really burns my ass thats all. I can be reactionary at times and probably started this thread from my heart and not my head. If there is any justice, Art will be the next reciever in and it will be this summer.

davy · 10-03-2006, 04:33 PM

Obviously written by a Bills fan.

skinsguy · 10-03-2006, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LBrown43

I submit this in support of my argument....Compare:

Art Monk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To:

Andre Reed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yeah, but wikipedia isn't necessarily written by "experts." Of course, neither are those who choose Hall Famers (at least lately) are experts in my eyes....

Beemnseven · 10-03-2006, 05:10 PM

Andre Reed holds the record for receiving yardage in the Super Bowl, I think. Plus, James Lofton was a teammate of his for many seasons, so there was competition for the ball in Buffalo just as there was here.

Still, the noise for Art Monk will get louder and louder as more receivers of his era are mentioned for the Hall.

GhettoDogAllStars · 10-03-2006, 06:04 PM

until monk is admitted to the hof, the hall won't hold any credibility for me

70Chip · 10-03-2006, 07:56 PM

This is the problem they will face with not allowing Monk in. He had very strong numbers so Reed poses a dilemna. They want to put Reed in, because the media LOVED that Bills team, but if they do, they have to answer for Monk and they don't have one. Witness P.K. trying to explain his vote. He can't because the real reason he won't vote for Monk is that he has always despised the Washington Redskins. Period. It's insane and it's an insult. Every other dynasty team gets their props except us. The Packers, the Raiders, the Steelers, the 49ers, soon the Cowboys, and the Vikings, My God, the Vikings. Apparently we won all of our Super Bowls on the strength of Coach Gibbs and John Riggins which is amazing since Riggins didn't play in the last two. Good for you, John!

The reality is that the Bills were a very good team in a lousy conference and some folks just never got the memo. (But they went to four straight Super Bowls. You can't forget that, blah, blah, blah). Exactly. The AFC was that bad. They had to send somebody.

I predict they will put Reed in before Monk and we'll hear how his impact was different than Monk's. (I just think that Reed really embodied the spirit of that team, yada, yada, yada). And they'll harp on the 19 TDs till they're blue in the face. Whatever they can think of to avoid telling the truth. And if you think I'm paranoid, check out the SportsCenter thread. More proof! I believe they have sent Tafkas to watch us. (Just kidding) (Maybe)

12thMan · 10-03-2006, 10:52 PM

The noise for Monk being in the Hall is definitely getting louder. Particularly from ESPN, i.e. Tom Jackson, Michael Irvin, Tre Wingo (sp).

I feel a lot better about Monk getting now than I did last year around the same time. Peter King can only voice his opinion for so long.

Monk will get in, and the Hall will be all the better for it!!!

MTK · 10-04-2006, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Andre Reed holds the record for receiving yardage in the Super Bowl, I think.

Super Bowl Records - SuperBowl.com - Official website of Super Bowl XLI

Rice owns the Super Bowl record for most career yards gained with 589. Reed is 3rd with 323.

Rice also owns the record for single game yardage with 215, our Ricky Sanders is 2nd with 193.

Rice pretty much owns most of the receiving records, surprise, surprise.

FRPLG · 10-04-2006, 10:53 AM

We can talk about this all we want but the discussion is just so old now. It makes me tired to even think about it. It is so obviously a slight that what can you say? How do you prove to people who won't listen that 2+2=4? It just does.
Art Monk not being in the HOF is the biggest slight in all of professional Hall of Fames right now without fail. The race isn't even close.

10-03-2006, 04:16 PM	#1
LBrown43 Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Clinton (as in Portis) New Jersey Age: 63 Posts: 217	Monk vs Reed So talk is that Andre Reed is a chinch for the Hall of Fame. WHY????? He was never on a Super Bowl Winner. His numbers are almost the same as Art's except he had 19 more TD's. The only reason he had more TD's is he was the only reciever of any note on the Bills. In Art's tenure we had Saunders and Clark among others who were gifted guys. Otherwise their numbers are very similar. I just don't get it. Here you have a guy like Art Monk that is/was the epitomy of class and grace and he gets slapped in the face. Reed was a hot head (wasn't it Reed who got upset in the Super Bowl and cost his team the game by jerking off his helmet?) I just don't get it. I am not saying he was not a great reciever because he was. I just see very little difference between him and Art and really feel that Art should have been a first ballot guy. I know I am preching to the choir here but I just don't get the brush off Art gets. Whats not to love about the guy!!!

10-03-2006, 04:19 PM	#2
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Monk vs Reed He's a cinch? I hadn't heard that anywhere __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-03-2006, 04:20 PM	#3
LBrown43 Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Clinton (as in Portis) New Jersey Age: 63 Posts: 217	Re: Monk vs Reed I submit this in support of my argument....Compare: Art Monk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia To: Andre Reed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

10-03-2006, 04:22 PM	#4
LBrown43 Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Clinton (as in Portis) New Jersey Age: 63 Posts: 217	Re: Monk vs Reed It was mentioned this weekend during one of the games and had read it several places in the past. Also Wikipedia says pretty much the same and that it was an "oversight" in his first year of eligibility.

10-03-2006, 04:29 PM	#5
onlydarksets Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: all up in your business Posts: 2,693	Re: Monk vs Reed I haven't heard that he is a lock. I wouldn't trust Wikipedia - it now says he won't get in before Art Monk.

10-03-2006, 04:31 PM	#6
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,686	Re: Monk vs Reed I haven't heard anything about him being a cinch either. At least not from a reliable source. I don't see him getting in before Monk. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

10-03-2006, 04:33 PM	#7
LBrown43 Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Clinton (as in Portis) New Jersey Age: 63 Posts: 217	Re: Monk vs Reed I know that is what Wikipedia says but I have read it before and heard again this weekend. Just really burns my ass thats all. I can be reactionary at times and probably started this thread from my heart and not my head. If there is any justice, Art will be the next reciever in and it will be this summer.

10-03-2006, 04:33 PM	#8
davy Impact Rookie Join Date: May 2004 Location: England Posts: 940	Re: Monk vs Reed Obviously written by a Bills fan. __________________ “Don't ask me what I think of you, I might not give the answer that you want me to.”

10-03-2006, 05:10 PM	#10
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 50 Posts: 5,311	Re: Monk vs Reed Andre Reed holds the record for receiving yardage in the Super Bowl, I think. Plus, James Lofton was a teammate of his for many seasons, so there was competition for the ball in Buffalo just as there was here. Still, the noise for Art Monk will get louder and louder as more receivers of his era are mentioned for the Hall.

10-03-2006, 06:04 PM	#11
GhettoDogAllStars Playmaker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Age: 43 Posts: 2,762	Re: Monk vs Reed until monk is admitted to the hof, the hall won't hold any credibility for me

10-03-2006, 07:56 PM	#12
70Chip Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manassas Age: 53 Posts: 3,048	Re: Monk vs Reed This is the problem they will face with not allowing Monk in. He had very strong numbers so Reed poses a dilemna. They want to put Reed in, because the media LOVED that Bills team, but if they do, they have to answer for Monk and they don't have one. Witness P.K. trying to explain his vote. He can't because the real reason he won't vote for Monk is that he has always despised the Washington Redskins. Period. It's insane and it's an insult. Every other dynasty team gets their props except us. The Packers, the Raiders, the Steelers, the 49ers, soon the Cowboys, and the Vikings, My God, the Vikings. Apparently we won all of our Super Bowls on the strength of Coach Gibbs and John Riggins which is amazing since Riggins didn't play in the last two. Good for you, John! The reality is that the Bills were a very good team in a lousy conference and some folks just never got the memo. (But they went to four straight Super Bowls. You can't forget that, blah, blah, blah). Exactly. The AFC was that bad. They had to send somebody. I predict they will put Reed in before Monk and we'll hear how his impact was different than Monk's. (I just think that Reed really embodied the spirit of that team, yada, yada, yada). And they'll harp on the 19 TDs till they're blue in the face. Whatever they can think of to avoid telling the truth. And if you think I'm paranoid, check out the SportsCenter thread. More proof! I believe they have sent Tafkas to watch us. (Just kidding) (Maybe) __________________ This Monkey's Gone to Heaven

10-03-2006, 10:52 PM	#13
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Monk vs Reed The noise for Monk being in the Hall is definitely getting louder. Particularly from ESPN, i.e. Tom Jackson, Michael Irvin, Tre Wingo (sp). I feel a lot better about Monk getting now than I did last year around the same time. Peter King can only voice his opinion for so long. Monk will get in, and the Hall will be all the better for it!!!

10-04-2006, 10:53 AM	#15
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Monk vs Reed We can talk about this all we want but the discussion is just so old now. It makes me tired to even think about it. It is so obviously a slight that what can you say? How do you prove to people who won't listen that 2+2=4? It just does. Art Monk not being in the HOF is the biggest slight in all of professional Hall of Fames right now without fail. The race isn't even close.

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