H-back Position Disappearing ?

warriorzpath · 05-12-2006, 02:38 PM

I just read a story on redskins.com:
http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=17177

In part of the story, it talks about Manuel White, Jr. relearning the fullback position in Saunders's offense instead of h-back, which he was learning last year with Gibbs's offense.

This makes me wonder if h-back as a position going to disappear in the redskins offense. In its place would be the true tight end and fullback positions.

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-12-2006, 02:43 PM

From what I read, in rookie camp the Skins didn't run the H-back at all.

warriorzpath · 05-12-2006, 02:44 PM

Wouldn't that be a major change ? H-back is the staple of a gibbs offense.

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-12-2006, 02:46 PM

I don't think it would be major. It's also NOT a staple of Saunder's offense.

EXoffender · 05-12-2006, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Wouldn't that be a major change ? H-back is the staple of a gibbs offense.

What you really want to say is, 'Is Cooley going to be omitted from the playbook?"

The anwser is no.

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-12-2006, 02:49 PM

Basically Cooley moves to tight end and catches passes from there...

warriorzpath · 05-12-2006, 02:50 PM

What I mean is: doesn't this change signify that Saunders will have complete control of the offensive philosophy and game-planning as opposed to "most of the control" of the offense (like jordan's 99.9% chance of not returning from retirement).

Daseal · 05-12-2006, 02:53 PM

warriorzpath -- we've already established that Saunders has free reign of the offense. He wouldn't have come if not. Saunders has had the number 1 offense numerous times and always in the top 5. I'll let him do whatever he wants.

warriorzpath · 05-12-2006, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

warriorzpath -- we've already established that Saunders has free reign of the offense. He wouldn't have come if not. Saunders has had the number 1 offense numerous times and always in the top 5. I'll let him do whatever he wants.

I guess in my mind, I wasn't convinced that Saunders would be in total control of the offense. Of course I knew he could do what he wanted to do with the offense, but complete rein (sp) ? I wasn't so sure of (complete rein).

And to me, free reign and complete control are 2 different things. One being the ability to change anything you want to something, the other being yours and yours only.

warriorzpath · 05-12-2006, 03:04 PM

This says to me that Saunders owns the offense and gibbs has major input. Before it could have been the other way around to me. But the article has basically said that it's Saunders's offense.

Warpath · 05-12-2006, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I guess in my mind, I wasn't convinced that Saunders would be in total control of the offense. Of course I knew he could do what he wanted to do with the offense, but complete rein (sp) ? I wasn't so sure of (complete rein).

And to me, free reign and complete control are 2 different things. One being the ability to change anything you want to something, the other being yours and yours only.

I think they are basically the same thing. I mean if Saunders "can do what he wants to with the offense" then Im assuming its his.

warriorzpath · 05-12-2006, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Warpath

I think they are basically the same thing. I mean if Saunders "can do what he wants to with the offense" then Im assuming its his.

Semantics or not - to me it's like you being able to change what you want with my car. But at the end of the day my name is still on the title.

dirthogs311 · 05-12-2006, 03:31 PM

I dont think it will be a complete offensive overhaul. If theres anything we dont need its that. We dont really want that. The system could have got us to the Super Bowl last year, but we ran out of gas and we ran out of WR's in the end. There will still be some Gibbs plays. He is the head coach, if he doesnt like the play he will overule it and change it to whatever he wants. I think we will see a slow transition from Gibbs offense to Saunders', until Gibbs retires when Saunders will have total control and Williams is the head coach.

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-12-2006, 03:32 PM

BRUNELL ran out of gas. I place that solely on him.

dirthogs311 · 05-12-2006, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

BRUNELL ran out of gas. I place that solely on him.

Well thats not fair, he was injured, and I'm sure Gibbs did not want to take a chance with Pat Ramsey

05-12-2006, 02:38 PM	#1
warriorzpath Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,880	H-back Position Disappearing ? I just read a story on redskins.com: http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=17177 In part of the story, it talks about Manuel White, Jr. relearning the fullback position in Saunders's offense instead of h-back, which he was learning last year with Gibbs's offense. This makes me wonder if h-back as a position going to disappear in the redskins offense. In its place would be the true tight end and fullback positions.

05-12-2006, 02:43 PM	#2
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,236	Re: H-back Position Disappearing ? From what I read, in rookie camp the Skins didn't run the H-back at all. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

05-12-2006, 02:44 PM	#3
warriorzpath Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,880	Re: H-back Position Disappearing ? Wouldn't that be a major change ? H-back is the staple of a gibbs offense.

05-12-2006, 02:46 PM	#4
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,236	Re: H-back Position Disappearing ? I don't think it would be major. It's also NOT a staple of Saunder's offense. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

05-12-2006, 02:49 PM	#6
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,236	Re: H-back Position Disappearing ? Basically Cooley moves to tight end and catches passes from there... __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

05-12-2006, 02:50 PM	#7
warriorzpath Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,880	Re: H-back Position Disappearing ? What I mean is: doesn't this change signify that Saunders will have complete control of the offensive philosophy and game-planning as opposed to "most of the control" of the offense (like jordan's 99.9% chance of not returning from retirement).

05-12-2006, 02:53 PM	#8
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: H-back Position Disappearing ? warriorzpath -- we've already established that Saunders has free reign of the offense. He wouldn't have come if not. Saunders has had the number 1 offense numerous times and always in the top 5. I'll let him do whatever he wants. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

05-12-2006, 03:04 PM	#10
warriorzpath Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,880	Re: H-back Position Disappearing ? This says to me that Saunders owns the offense and gibbs has major input. Before it could have been the other way around to me. But the article has basically said that it's Saunders's offense.

05-12-2006, 03:31 PM	#13
dirthogs311 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: College Station, TX Age: 40 Posts: 305	Re: H-back Position Disappearing ? I dont think it will be a complete offensive overhaul. If theres anything we dont need its that. We dont really want that. The system could have got us to the Super Bowl last year, but we ran out of gas and we ran out of WR's in the end. There will still be some Gibbs plays. He is the head coach, if he doesnt like the play he will overule it and change it to whatever he wants. I think we will see a slow transition from Gibbs offense to Saunders', until Gibbs retires when Saunders will have total control and Williams is the head coach.

05-12-2006, 03:32 PM	#14
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,236	Re: H-back Position Disappearing ? BRUNELL ran out of gas. I place that solely on him. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

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