Darren Howard

bigm29 · 02-06-2006, 12:27 AM

Now that the super bowl is over we can really get into free agency. This guy is 29 years old, great at times but often injured. However with our great coaching staff i think he'll be great. Santana was often injured too and look how that turned out. We need a pass rusher and there are not too many other ones out there unless we trade. Plus i dont think we have anyone on our team capable of stepping up to be an elite pass rusher in the league. What do u guys think?

bigm29 · 02-06-2006, 12:31 AM

I also think Nate Clements would be an amazing pick up for depth in the secondary. Plus he was coached by Greg Williams in Buffalo and hes only 26. I know it might sound crazy but we went hard after jeremetrus butler too.

On a side note I think someone should analyze the free agents for each position according too our needs like Mattyk did with the report cards. Maybe ill do it lol

Big C · 02-06-2006, 12:57 AM

howard will be a short term fix, if he could stay healthy. id rather go after a prospect a little younger

mooby · 02-06-2006, 01:02 AM

yeah he doesn't have too many good years left in him. I say we go after someone younger as well. Too big of a risk.

BigSKINBauer · 02-06-2006, 01:26 AM

i really want darren howard for one. I wanted him a few weeks ago. he should be one of our few major FA pick ups. I think we get someone through the draft at WR unelss we get Jurivisous or Antwaan(both will stay with their teams)

That Guy · 02-06-2006, 01:52 AM

I can do a positional FA/draft option thing in a bit... I'll need to find a definitive list of FAs first though.

BigSKINBauer · 02-06-2006, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

I can do a positional FA/draft option thing in a bit... I'll need to find a definitive list of FAs first though.

I am sure you have seen this but here is a list of current FAs

Aaron Kampman

Anthony Weaver

Antonio Cochran

Antwan Lake

Brandon Green

Carl Powell

Carlos Hall

Cory Redding

Darren Howard

Demetric Evans

DeQuincy Scott

Jacques Cesaire

Jared DeVries

Jarret Johnson

Jimmy Wilkerson

Joe Tafoya

John Abraham

Juqua Thomas

Kalimba Edwards

Kemp Rasmussen

Kenny King

Kenny Peterson

Kimo von Oelhoffen

Kyle Vanden Bosch

Lance Johnstone

Marcellus Wiley

Marco Coleman

N.D. Kalu

Orpheus Roye

Raheem Brock

R-Kal Truluck

Robert Mathis

Rodney Bailey

Ross Kolodziej

Ryan Denney

Travis Hall

Tyoka Jackson

Willie Whitehead

mooby · 02-06-2006, 02:12 AM

i think kyle vanden bosch would be a nice pickup. He made huge strides this year. He might be a one year wonder though.

shallyshal · 02-06-2006, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by mooby

i think kyle vanden bosch would be a nice pickup. He made huge strides this year. He might be a one year wonder though.

he has been injured every year before this. major knees. a definite medical risk

shallyshal · 02-06-2006, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by bigm29

I also think Nate Clements would be an amazing pick up for depth in the secondary. Plus he was coached by Greg Williams in Buffalo and hes only 26. I know it might sound crazy but we went hard after jeremetrus butler too.

On a side note I think someone should analyze the free agents for each position according too our needs like Mattyk did with the report cards. Maybe ill do it lol

clements will cost 5 mil to franchise tag him..i do not see buffalo letting him go. that would be a steep price to pay for a number 3 corner. or do you want to move springs to safety?

shallyshal · 02-06-2006, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Big C

howard will be a short term fix, if he could stay healthy. id rather go after a prospect a little younger

howard had knee problems but is a team player. he plays inside when asked and once was a terrific pass rushing end. it comes down to how much he has left.

to sign him would still mean using the 2nd round pick on the best defensive end still onthe boards inthe draft

That Guy · 02-06-2006, 03:05 AM

thanks for the link.. i knew the DEs, but that seems to have a good rundown of every other position too. Too bad it doesn't have stats and such though :/

If we sign howard I think it might end up like hugh douglas, where he'd only work on 3rd downs, he'd be useless on counters and against many running plays and he'd be retired in a year.

fiore, vaghn, barrow, harris, springs, noble... those are the injury history guys we've gotten in the last few years. first 3 never played a down, next three had a great 1st seasons and very spotty 2nd seasons (noble never played, harris was awful, and springs was still good, but missed a good amount of playing time). Also once coles got injured he went from a great #1 to an average #1 (kennison level).

Its just a risk I wouldn't take on an older player. If he were 25 it'd be different. Lavar has missed 2 years due to an injury and just now is starting to look like he can be effective again. Daniels missed a year and came back to play the best ball of his career (while slightly out of shape) though, so there's always a chance he could be good. If he's near vet min its much easier to justify it cause if he sucks it up in camp he can be tossed without much thought. He's had 4.5 good years out of 6 though.

I'd want this guy:
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302065

how many DEs get 80+ tackles in a year?

SmootSmack · 02-06-2006, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

I can do a positional FA/draft option thing in a bit... I'll need to find a definitive list of FAs first though.

When I did the Free Agents spreadsheet last year, I took the info from ESPN when they put it up. I think that was sometime in mid-February.

I don't know if I'll be able to do it this year, I have a lot on my plate.

skinsfanthru&thru · 02-06-2006, 03:57 AM

I'm starting to hold off on my hopes for FA until we find out who's gonna be gone and who's going to restructure and free up cap space for said FAs. The team has made really good choices with the d-line recently so I have faith they'll get a reliable impact player for a good price. I'm more worried about their ability to get a reliable receiving threat to help out Moss, cuz we all know jacobs is gone and Patten, atleast this past year when on the field, didn't perform the way the team thought he might.

That Guy · 02-06-2006, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

I'm starting to hold off on my hopes for FA until we find out who's gonna be gone and who's going to restructure and free up cap space for said FAs. The team has made really good choices with the d-line recently so I have faith they'll get a reliable impact player for a good price. I'm more worried about their ability to get a reliable receiving threat to help out Moss, cuz we all know jacobs is gone and Patten, atleast this past year when on the field, didn't perform the way the team thought he might.

pattens production wasn't great, but once he left, everyone else's ypg production went downhill fast (i believe it was 80+ less yards per game on average, 30 less from moss an a ton less from RB receptions too, plus his 25ypg).

I'd definately want an upgrade and at least have 1 wr depth in case someone gets hurt. I'm still wondering if brunell not looking for patten was also part of the deal with his yards or if he's just more of a slot guy...

02-06-2006, 12:31 AM	#2
bigm29 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Mt. Laurel, NJ Age: 36 Posts: 353	Re: Darren Howard I also think Nate Clements would be an amazing pick up for depth in the secondary. Plus he was coached by Greg Williams in Buffalo and hes only 26. I know it might sound crazy but we went hard after jeremetrus butler too. On a side note I think someone should analyze the free agents for each position according too our needs like Mattyk did with the report cards. Maybe ill do it lol

02-06-2006, 12:57 AM	#3
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	Re: Darren Howard howard will be a short term fix, if he could stay healthy. id rather go after a prospect a little younger __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

02-06-2006, 01:02 AM	#4
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,446	Re: Darren Howard yeah he doesn't have too many good years left in him. I say we go after someone younger as well. Too big of a risk. __________________ Hail to the Football Team

02-06-2006, 01:26 AM	#5
BigSKINBauer Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Washington, DC Age: 36 Posts: 5,688	Re: Darren Howard i really want darren howard for one. I wanted him a few weeks ago. he should be one of our few major FA pick ups. I think we get someone through the draft at WR unelss we get Jurivisous or Antwaan(both will stay with their teams)

02-06-2006, 01:52 AM	#6
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: Darren Howard I can do a positional FA/draft option thing in a bit... I'll need to find a definitive list of FAs first though.

02-06-2006, 12:27 AM	#1
bigm29 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Mt. Laurel, NJ Age: 36 Posts: 353	Darren Howard Now that the super bowl is over we can really get into free agency. This guy is 29 years old, great at times but often injured. However with our great coaching staff i think he'll be great. Santana was often injured too and look how that turned out. We need a pass rusher and there are not too many other ones out there unless we trade. Plus i dont think we have anyone on our team capable of stepping up to be an elite pass rusher in the league. What do u guys think?

02-06-2006, 02:12 AM	#8
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,446	Re: Darren Howard i think kyle vanden bosch would be a nice pickup. He made huge strides this year. He might be a one year wonder though. __________________ Hail to the Football Team

02-06-2006, 03:05 AM	#12
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: Darren Howard thanks for the link.. i knew the DEs, but that seems to have a good rundown of every other position too. Too bad it doesn't have stats and such though :/ If we sign howard I think it might end up like hugh douglas, where he'd only work on 3rd downs, he'd be useless on counters and against many running plays and he'd be retired in a year. fiore, vaghn, barrow, harris, springs, noble... those are the injury history guys we've gotten in the last few years. first 3 never played a down, next three had a great 1st seasons and very spotty 2nd seasons (noble never played, harris was awful, and springs was still good, but missed a good amount of playing time). Also once coles got injured he went from a great #1 to an average #1 (kennison level). Its just a risk I wouldn't take on an older player. If he were 25 it'd be different. Lavar has missed 2 years due to an injury and just now is starting to look like he can be effective again. Daniels missed a year and came back to play the best ball of his career (while slightly out of shape) though, so there's always a chance he could be good. If he's near vet min its much easier to justify it cause if he sucks it up in camp he can be tossed without much thought. He's had 4.5 good years out of 6 though. I'd want this guy: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302065 how many DEs get 80+ tackles in a year?

02-06-2006, 03:57 AM	#14
skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 44 Posts: 3,813	Re: Darren Howard I'm starting to hold off on my hopes for FA until we find out who's gonna be gone and who's going to restructure and free up cap space for said FAs. The team has made really good choices with the d-line recently so I have faith they'll get a reliable impact player for a good price. I'm more worried about their ability to get a reliable receiving threat to help out Moss, cuz we all know jacobs is gone and Patten, atleast this past year when on the field, didn't perform the way the team thought he might. __________________ "Ahhh, so you're stupid in 3 languages?"

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