Campbell Draft day trade

Dana87 · 01-19-2006, 01:32 PM

A lot of people critisized the Redskins for giving up so much for another QB. But if you really look at the trade we didn't give that much at all. Basically we gave up a 2nd rnd pick in '05 and a 4th rnd pick in '06 to move our 1st rnd pick in '06 to '05. That in it's self is a pretty good move, but when you factor in that now they are able to start grooming the next starting QB a year early it becomes an even better move. Actually I think this could end up being the move that cements the Redskins championship tradition for years to come.

12thMan · 01-19-2006, 01:35 PM

I agree with you. Though most will look at what we gave up, like with the Portis trade. You really can't measure the impact in terms of draft picks, especially if he turns out to be a really good QB.

The fact that he's already been in our "system" for a full year has already reaped some benefits for Campbell.

offiss · 01-19-2006, 01:38 PM

It depends, you also have to take into account that Campbell was projected as a mid second rd pick, so to give up a #1, #2, and a #4 is quite excesive for a mid 2nd rd pick.

12thMan · 01-19-2006, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by offiss

It depends, you also have to take into account that Campbell was projected as a mid second rd pick, so to give up a #1, #2, and a #4 is quite excesive for a mid 2nd rd pick.

I agree, on paper it was a helluva lot to give up. But let's just suppose Campbell wins one Super Bowl during his career with the Skins. Would it have been worth it?

D'BOYZ · 01-19-2006, 01:42 PM

what it was criticized about the move is that everybody tought Campbell was an early second not first so it was said that washington gave 2 much for him and it will be valued once everybody knows is he is any good or a Bust thats at least 3 years from now

It like the bills dallas trade 2 years ago right now dallas has the upper hand dallas got Julius Jones, Ryan, M. Spears and Drew Bledsoe ( because the bills dump him because they had Losman and needed him 2 start ) for J.P Losman Advantage Dallas

or

SD trade with Atlanta 4 years ago

SD got D.Brees and LT and Atlanta got M.Vick advantage S.D

or

SD trade with NY 2 years ago

SD got Merriman and Rivers NYG Eli Manning right now the advantage is for NY because rivers seems it won't play in SD it all depends what SD gets from him and Eli took his team to the playofs on hsi second year.

offiss · 01-19-2006, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

I agree, on paper it was a helluva lot to give up. But let's just suppose Campbell wins one Super Bowl during his career with the Skins. Would it have been worth it?

Here's how I would look at it, I am greedy when it comes to maximizing talent, and regardless if he wins a SB we could still have done better, we could have possibly kept more draft picks and win 2 SB's who knows, I am not a believer in overpaying for a player if I don't have to. But if he does win a SB you can't argue with it either.

On the other hand, if he doesn't win a SB how would this trade be viewed?

Dana87 · 01-19-2006, 01:54 PM

We really didn't give up a 1, 2, & 4. we only gave up a 2 & 4 to use '06 #1 in '05. No matter what we used the pick for that in it's self is good value. The QB possition has to be the hardest to evaluate in the NFL. I can't tell you how many supposed 1st rnd guy's have been total busts, and how many late rnd guys have become franchise QB's. When ever you take a QB in the 1st rnd it's a huge risk I don't care where is ranked. My point is the fact that we have an extra year to develope our next QB. Whether he is Gibbs' Next Super Bowl QB or not really isn't the point.

12thMan · 01-19-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by offiss

Here's how I would look at it, I am greedy when it comes to maximizing talent, and regardless if he wins a SB we could still have done better, we could have possibly kept more draft picks and win 2 SB's who knows, I am not a believer in overpaying for a player if I don't have to. But if he does win a SB you can't argue with it either.

On the other hand, if he doesn't win a SB how would this trade be viewed?

Well, it would depend. I think if accumulates some amazing stats but no ring, people will always question the move. If he takes us to the big dance and wins, many will say it was a good move.

And if he does neither, well....

Gmanc711 · 01-19-2006, 01:55 PM

Its easy to say now, but no one knew how good/bad we would be this year. Alot of people (not here) actually had us being a top ten pick, so hind sight is 20/20. Looking at it now though, I'm happy.

Big C · 01-19-2006, 02:02 PM

washington had most likely heard that someone before the 2nd round was looking to draft campbell, so they pulled the trigger on a deal.

12thMan · 01-19-2006, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dana87

We really didn't give up a 1, 2, & 4. we only gave up a 2 & 4 to use '06 #1 in '05. No matter what we used the pick for that in it's self is good value. The QB possition has to be the hardest to evaluate in the NFL. I can't tell you how many supposed 1st rnd guy's have been total busts, and how many late rnd guys have become franchise QB's. When ever you take a QB in the 1st rnd it's a huge risk I don't care where is ranked. My point is the fact that we have an extra year to develope our next QB. Whether he is Gibbs' Next Super Bowl QB or not really isn't the point.

And hence, there may lie the greatest ulitmate value to Campbell's career. That one year of sitting may be the difference maker for him.

I know there are two schools of thought on that one. Some believe you get better by learning the system and playing later and some believe you should get in there, make your mistakes, and get aquainted with the system as you go along. Both have some merrit.

amorentz · 01-19-2006, 02:09 PM

It was actually a 3rd round pick in 2005 and 4th in 2006. We didnt have a 2nd rounder last year because we traded our 2005 2nd for a 2004 3rd (used to select Cooley...lets see you guys complain about THAT trade!).

A 3rd and a 4th is nothing to swap a 2005 1st for a 2006 if the picks are similar (which they are 25 and 22). Now if we had finished 2-14 it would be a different story!

backrow · 01-19-2006, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by offiss

It depends, you also have to take into account that Campbell was projected as a mid second rd pick, so to give up a #1, #2, and a #4 is quite excesive for a mid 2nd rd pick.

Brilliant Offiss!

FRPLG · 01-19-2006, 02:52 PM

They made a trade to get into position to take aguy they wanted for the future. In doing so they gave up a 2nd and 5th rounder and simply moved the 1st rounder like Dana said. Everyone can say "well he was projected to go early second round" but if they wanted him and this was the only spot they could get then they didn't give up too much. How do we know they didn't have three other deals for later picks asking for the same amount or more. I don't think giving up a 2nd and 5th rounder to get a guy you really want is thta big a deal. If he turns out as good as they think no one will question it. The question will be whether people admit they were wrong. I know they'll gloat if he isn't as good as the Skins think.

PSUSkinsFan21 · 01-19-2006, 02:56 PM

My problem with the move for Campbell had more to do with Campbell himself than what we gave up for him. I don't mind giving up any amount of picks for a spectacular QB who can lead us to a Super Bowl. Problem is, I just don't see Campbell as being that guy.......I've just never been sold on him.

At this early stage, I think it's far to early to try to guage whether it was a good move or not. Until he proves to be either great or a bust, how can we even argue the point?

01-19-2006, 01:38 PM	#3
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 60 Posts: 3,097	Re: Campbell Draft day trade It depends, you also have to take into account that Campbell was projected as a mid second rd pick, so to give up a #1, #2, and a #4 is quite excesive for a mid 2nd rd pick.

01-19-2006, 01:42 PM	#5
D'BOYZ The Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,363	Re: Campbell Draft day trade what it was criticized about the move is that everybody tought Campbell was an early second not first so it was said that washington gave 2 much for him and it will be valued once everybody knows is he is any good or a Bust thats at least 3 years from now It like the bills dallas trade 2 years ago right now dallas has the upper hand dallas got Julius Jones, Ryan, M. Spears and Drew Bledsoe ( because the bills dump him because they had Losman and needed him 2 start ) for J.P Losman Advantage Dallas or SD trade with Atlanta 4 years ago SD got D.Brees and LT and Atlanta got M.Vick advantage S.D or SD trade with NY 2 years ago SD got Merriman and Rivers NYG Eli Manning right now the advantage is for NY because rivers seems it won't play in SD it all depends what SD gets from him and Eli took his team to the playofs on hsi second year.

01-19-2006, 01:54 PM	#7
Dana87 Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Saint Augustine, Florida Age: 63 Posts: 130	Re: Campbell Draft day trade We really didn't give up a 1, 2, & 4. we only gave up a 2 & 4 to use '06 #1 in '05. No matter what we used the pick for that in it's self is good value. The QB possition has to be the hardest to evaluate in the NFL. I can't tell you how many supposed 1st rnd guy's have been total busts, and how many late rnd guys have become franchise QB's. When ever you take a QB in the 1st rnd it's a huge risk I don't care where is ranked. My point is the fact that we have an extra year to develope our next QB. Whether he is Gibbs' Next Super Bowl QB or not really isn't the point.

01-19-2006, 01:55 PM	#9
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	Re: Campbell Draft day trade Its easy to say now, but no one knew how good/bad we would be this year. Alot of people (not here) actually had us being a top ten pick, so hind sight is 20/20. Looking at it now though, I'm happy. __________________ #21

01-19-2006, 02:02 PM	#10
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	Re: Campbell Draft day trade washington had most likely heard that someone before the 2nd round was looking to draft campbell, so they pulled the trigger on a deal. __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

01-19-2006, 01:32 PM	#1
Dana87 Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Saint Augustine, Florida Age: 63 Posts: 130	Campbell Draft day trade A lot of people critisized the Redskins for giving up so much for another QB. But if you really look at the trade we didn't give that much at all. Basically we gave up a 2nd rnd pick in '05 and a 4th rnd pick in '06 to move our 1st rnd pick in '06 to '05. That in it's self is a pretty good move, but when you factor in that now they are able to start grooming the next starting QB a year early it becomes an even better move. Actually I think this could end up being the move that cements the Redskins championship tradition for years to come.

01-19-2006, 01:35 PM	#2
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Campbell Draft day trade I agree with you. Though most will look at what we gave up, like with the Portis trade. You really can't measure the impact in terms of draft picks, especially if he turns out to be a really good QB. The fact that he's already been in our "system" for a full year has already reaped some benefits for Campbell.

01-19-2006, 02:09 PM	#12
amorentz Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Washington, DC Age: 44 Posts: 368	Re: Campbell Draft day trade It was actually a 3rd round pick in 2005 and 4th in 2006. We didnt have a 2nd rounder last year because we traded our 2005 2nd for a 2004 3rd (used to select Cooley...lets see you guys complain about THAT trade!). A 3rd and a 4th is nothing to swap a 2005 1st for a 2006 if the picks are similar (which they are 25 and 22). Now if we had finished 2-14 it would be a different story!

01-19-2006, 02:52 PM	#14
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Campbell Draft day trade They made a trade to get into position to take aguy they wanted for the future. In doing so they gave up a 2nd and 5th rounder and simply moved the 1st rounder like Dana said. Everyone can say "well he was projected to go early second round" but if they wanted him and this was the only spot they could get then they didn't give up too much. How do we know they didn't have three other deals for later picks asking for the same amount or more. I don't think giving up a 2nd and 5th rounder to get a guy you really want is thta big a deal. If he turns out as good as they think no one will question it. The question will be whether people admit they were wrong. I know they'll gloat if he isn't as good as the Skins think.

01-19-2006, 02:56 PM	#15
PSUSkinsFan21 The Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Philadelphia, PA Age: 48 Posts: 1,340	Re: Campbell Draft day trade My problem with the move for Campbell had more to do with Campbell himself than what we gave up for him. I don't mind giving up any amount of picks for a spectacular QB who can lead us to a Super Bowl. Problem is, I just don't see Campbell as being that guy.......I've just never been sold on him. At this early stage, I think it's far to early to try to guage whether it was a good move or not. Until he proves to be either great or a bust, how can we even argue the point? __________________ "Hail to the Redskins!" and "Fight on State!"

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