Gibbs needs help

CooleyFan · 01-15-2006, 03:15 AM

Now, let me just start this out by saying....

Joe Gibbs has given me a reason to believe in my Redskins once again. Gibby needs help. Musgrave sucks. West Coast? No. The NFL isn't going to be slow enough for the counter tray, or these line pulls anymore. It's a dying breed of offense, and there is no place in football for it anymore. We need to go out in the off season and get an offensive mind to help poor Joe. I love Joe, but I need to say what everyone else is scared to say. He's too old.

I think if we got a good West Coast guy... like (i hate to say it) but ol' Norval Turner, maybe we can establish more of a deep impact. I friggin hate Norv, but he is an offensive mind. Have you guys seen the forlorn looks on ol' Joe's face everytime the offense falters? He can't understand the fast pace game. I know I'm gonna get hate mail, but it needs to be addressed. I know Joe is a genius, and I hope he proves me wrong, but he will NOT take us to a SuperBowl. I hope he proves me wrong.

Skin DieHard · 01-15-2006, 12:32 PM

This is just stupid. They made good progress this year. Look at the personnel. Portis, Moss and Cooley. No other options. All they need is a legit 2nd option. A big receiver that they can throw a quick out or slant to on blitzes and when teams put 8 in the box. They also need to draft a few linman for depth. Did you see Raymer out there? Terrible. He should have be forced to take the Amtrack home from Seattle.

Kevikazi · 01-15-2006, 12:36 PM

Gibbs isn't the only one that runs "counter trey" type plays. A lot of other teams use running plays with pulling guards (some with center). They just have fast and athletic guards to run these plays effectively. Redskins have Randy Thomas who is perfect for counter trey. Derrick Dockery on the other hand is too slow for these types. I agree with you that Gibbs need some help to improve our passing game.

gortiz · 01-15-2006, 12:39 PM

Norv Turner runs a west coast offense?

Please do not respond to this thread ...

rickmmrr · 01-15-2006, 12:39 PM

We just need some more real passing options.

SC Skins Fan · 01-15-2006, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CooleyFan

Joe Gibbs has given me a reason to believe in my Redskins once again. Gibby needs help. Musgrave sucks. West Coast? No. The NFL isn't going to be slow enough for the counter tray, or these line pulls anymore. It's a dying breed of offense, and there is no place in football for it anymore. We need to go out in the off season and get an offensive mind to help poor Joe. I love Joe, but I need to say what everyone else is scared to say. He's too old.

I think if we got a good West Coast guy... like (i hate to say it) but ol' Norval Turner, maybe we can establish more of a deep impact. I friggin hate Norv, but he is an offensive mind. Have you guys seen the forlorn looks on ol' Joe's face everytime the offense falters? He can't understand the fast pace game. I know I'm gonna get hate mail, but it needs to be addressed. I know Joe is a genius, and I hope he proves me wrong, but he will NOT take us to a SuperBowl. I hope he proves me wrong.

Did Clinton Portis have 1,500 yds this year? Oh I must have misread those numbers because having those sort of stats would be impossible in such an anachronistic offensive scheme. Also, the so-called West Coast offense is built upon short passes not a vertical passing game and as someone else pointed out Norv Turner does not run a West Coast scheme (was there a more inept offense with more talent than the Raiders this year, by the way). Why don't you go pick up Football for Dummies before you make more foolish posts. Oh, and Musgrave was a quarterbacks coach he wasn't up in the booth calling plays, if you really really need someone to kick after a loss (clearly you are a fairweather type) then I'm not sure Bill should be the #1 target.

SUNRA · 01-15-2006, 12:54 PM

What I noticed is that when our offense is able to generate yardage into the opponents side of the field, the play calling is more aggressive and decisive. Gibbs just didn't wan't to make Brunell force a pass when no receivers were open when the ball is on our side of the field. Unfortunately, win our bread and butter running game stalled in the playoffs the playcalling did not adjust to the immediate circumstance, thus a series of three and outs. But overall, with no 2# or 3# wideouts we did better than most expected.

Longtimefan · 01-15-2006, 01:15 PM

Come on guys let's dwell on the positives. We came a long way from where we were, and there's not a person who post here even thought we we would go as far as we did. Because we didn't go further is no reason to trash JG because there's not a better coach in the NFL. We can use a few more pieces and a little improvement in our schemes but that will come. To suggest the plays we run with the pulling guards are outdated is absurd. Every team in the NFL uses these type plays. We don't seem to have a problem with them when we win, they only become a problem when we loose.
Having to run one receiver patterns from tight formations, and eight in the box can be difficult. JG did every thing he could to protect Brunell, and max protect 70% of the time severly limits your offensive potential. However I think Gibbs is aware of the teams shortcomings and will rectify the situation. We as fans know what we need to do in the off-season to get better, so let's watch for the improvements the team will make and be encouraged for the 2006 season.

bertoskins · 01-15-2006, 06:48 PM

yeah, few more offensive puzzles will do, wr, offensive linemen, CB will do

gibbs scheme is proven winner
and he know what he is doing

hail

skinsfan0201 · 01-15-2006, 07:03 PM

Or did you hear new starting quarterback ?! That is the most stubborn part about Gibbs, not his scheme. Remember when Brunell was playing a little bit better earlier on in the season?

hooskins · 01-15-2006, 07:06 PM

No one is taking anything away from Gibbs, he got us here, but still he needs help. Either he needs some coordinators for the offense, or he needs to make changes on his own. He added the shotgun last year, and opened up the offense, and that got us this far. Hopefully we can work in the free agency, and get better offensive players. Our offense was good this year, but it was VERY flakey, and inconsistent for various reasons. But we can agree, at times we were all upset with the playcalling, and conservative style of offense. Its not Gibbs fault obviously, but even he said, it comes back to him, because he is the head coach. So as a good NFL coach Gibbs, should adapt and change even more, and getting help offensively is an option for him to do that.

diehardskin2982 · 01-15-2006, 07:30 PM

Isn't Mike Martz's offense a Hybrid of the original Gibbs offense?

gusbus · 01-15-2006, 08:26 PM

Are any of you watching the CAR vs CHI game? The OC for CAR is Dan Henning, a Gibbes clone. They are running the same plays that we run, counter tray included. The difference is a very capable QB who can put some zip on it, a very good healthy OL, and capable #2 receiver (Ricky P.). "In three years, Dan Henning has transformed the Panthers offense from last in the National Football League to one of the NFL's more efficient attacks."
I think we need another year and some good off season acquisitions. No block buster deals just good quality players.

RedskinPete · 01-15-2006, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CooleyFan

Now, let me just start this out by saying....

Joe Gibbs has given me a reason to believe in my Redskins once again. Gibby needs help. Musgrave sucks. West Coast? No. The NFL isn't going to be slow enough for the counter tray, or these line pulls anymore. It's a dying breed of offense, and there is no place in football for it anymore. We need to go out in the off season and get an offensive mind to help poor Joe. I love Joe, but I need to say what everyone else is scared to say. He's too old.

I think if we got a good West Coast guy... like (i hate to say it) but ol' Norval Turner, maybe we can establish more of a deep impact. I friggin hate Norv, but he is an offensive mind. Have you guys seen the forlorn looks on ol' Joe's face everytime the offense falters? He can't understand the fast pace game. I know I'm gonna get hate mail, but it needs to be addressed. I know Joe is a genius, and I hope he proves me wrong, but he will NOT take us to a SuperBowl. I hope he proves me wrong.

This is a team with only one WR!!! The rest suck!!! Get two more good ones and this will make us very good!!!

wolfeskins · 01-15-2006, 09:40 PM

while i don't put all our offensive problems on joe gibbs, i must say he still needs to open it up a bit more. he opened it up this year compared to last but not quite enough. having another dependable wr could help out big time though. i guess he couldn't do but so much having only portis, cooley and moss.

01-15-2006, 12:36 PM	#3
Kevikazi Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Maryland Age: 55 Posts: 187	Re: Gibbs needs help Gibbs isn't the only one that runs "counter trey" type plays. A lot of other teams use running plays with pulling guards (some with center). They just have fast and athletic guards to run these plays effectively. Redskins have Randy Thomas who is perfect for counter trey. Derrick Dockery on the other hand is too slow for these types. I agree with you that Gibbs need some help to improve our passing game.

01-15-2006, 12:39 PM	#4
gortiz Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 498	Re: Gibbs needs help Norv Turner runs a west coast offense? Please do not respond to this thread ... __________________ "If people are underestimating us," Jansen said, "there will be a rude awakening this year."

01-15-2006, 12:39 PM	#5
rickmmrr Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 395	Re: Gibbs needs help We just need some more real passing options.

01-15-2006, 12:54 PM	#7
SUNRA The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,680	Re: Gibbs needs help What I noticed is that when our offense is able to generate yardage into the opponents side of the field, the play calling is more aggressive and decisive. Gibbs just didn't wan't to make Brunell force a pass when no receivers were open when the ball is on our side of the field. Unfortunately, win our bread and butter running game stalled in the playoffs the playcalling did not adjust to the immediate circumstance, thus a series of three and outs. But overall, with no 2# or 3# wideouts we did better than most expected. __________________ Redskins Member since 1970

01-15-2006, 01:15 PM	#8
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Gibbs needs help Come on guys let's dwell on the positives. We came a long way from where we were, and there's not a person who post here even thought we we would go as far as we did. Because we didn't go further is no reason to trash JG because there's not a better coach in the NFL. We can use a few more pieces and a little improvement in our schemes but that will come. To suggest the plays we run with the pulling guards are outdated is absurd. Every team in the NFL uses these type plays. We don't seem to have a problem with them when we win, they only become a problem when we loose. Having to run one receiver patterns from tight formations, and eight in the box can be difficult. JG did every thing he could to protect Brunell, and max protect 70% of the time severly limits your offensive potential. However I think Gibbs is aware of the teams shortcomings and will rectify the situation. We as fans know what we need to do in the off-season to get better, so let's watch for the improvements the team will make and be encouraged for the 2006 season.

01-15-2006, 03:15 AM	#1
CooleyFan Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Springfield, Va Posts: 28	Gibbs needs help Now, let me just start this out by saying.... Joe Gibbs has given me a reason to believe in my Redskins once again. Gibby needs help. Musgrave sucks. West Coast? No. The NFL isn't going to be slow enough for the counter tray, or these line pulls anymore. It's a dying breed of offense, and there is no place in football for it anymore. We need to go out in the off season and get an offensive mind to help poor Joe. I love Joe, but I need to say what everyone else is scared to say. He's too old. I think if we got a good West Coast guy... like (i hate to say it) but ol' Norval Turner, maybe we can establish more of a deep impact. I friggin hate Norv, but he is an offensive mind. Have you guys seen the forlorn looks on ol' Joe's face everytime the offense falters? He can't understand the fast pace game. I know I'm gonna get hate mail, but it needs to be addressed. I know Joe is a genius, and I hope he proves me wrong, but he will NOT take us to a SuperBowl. I hope he proves me wrong. Last edited by CooleyFan; 01-15-2006 at 03:18 AM. Reason: add

01-15-2006, 12:32 PM	#2
Skin DieHard Camp Scrub Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6	Re: Gibbs needs help This is just stupid. They made good progress this year. Look at the personnel. Portis, Moss and Cooley. No other options. All they need is a legit 2nd option. A big receiver that they can throw a quick out or slant to on blitzes and when teams put 8 in the box. They also need to draft a few linman for depth. Did you see Raymer out there? Terrible. He should have be forced to take the Amtrack home from Seattle.

01-15-2006, 06:48 PM	#9
bertoskins Special Teams Join Date: May 2004 Location: philippines Age: 51 Posts: 184	Re: Gibbs needs help yeah, few more offensive puzzles will do, wr, offensive linemen, CB will do gibbs scheme is proven winner and he know what he is doing hail

01-15-2006, 07:03 PM	#10
skinsfan0201 Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Falls Church, VA Age: 45 Posts: 234	Re: Gibbs needs help Or did you hear new starting quarterback ?! That is the most stubborn part about Gibbs, not his scheme. Remember when Brunell was playing a little bit better earlier on in the season?

01-15-2006, 07:06 PM	#11
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 37 Posts: 8,606	Re: Gibbs needs help No one is taking anything away from Gibbs, he got us here, but still he needs help. Either he needs some coordinators for the offense, or he needs to make changes on his own. He added the shotgun last year, and opened up the offense, and that got us this far. Hopefully we can work in the free agency, and get better offensive players. Our offense was good this year, but it was VERY flakey, and inconsistent for various reasons. But we can agree, at times we were all upset with the playcalling, and conservative style of offense. Its not Gibbs fault obviously, but even he said, it comes back to him, because he is the head coach. So as a good NFL coach Gibbs, should adapt and change even more, and getting help offensively is an option for him to do that. __________________ Vacancy

01-15-2006, 07:30 PM	#12
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	Re: Gibbs needs help Isn't Mike Martz's offense a Hybrid of the original Gibbs offense? __________________ That got ugly fast

01-15-2006, 08:26 PM	#13
gusbus Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 58	Re: Gibbs needs help Are any of you watching the CAR vs CHI game? The OC for CAR is Dan Henning, a Gibbes clone. They are running the same plays that we run, counter tray included. The difference is a very capable QB who can put some zip on it, a very good healthy OL, and capable #2 receiver (Ricky P.). "In three years, Dan Henning has transformed the Panthers offense from last in the National Football League to one of the NFL's more efficient attacks." I think we need another year and some good off season acquisitions. No block buster deals just good quality players.

01-15-2006, 09:40 PM	#15
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	Re: Gibbs needs help while i don't put all our offensive problems on joe gibbs, i must say he still needs to open it up a bit more. he opened it up this year compared to last but not quite enough. having another dependable wr could help out big time though. i guess he couldn't do but so much having only portis, cooley and moss. __________________ Hail to Allen/Shanahan .... bring in some baby hogs and load up on diesel fuel !!! (budw38)

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