What's your take on our coaching?

[GusFrerotte]

Shanny has til the end of 2012 to show Snyder some progression. IF nothing improves in 2012 Snyder doesn't have much of a choice but to can them. Continuity is great, but as long as there is some positive growth going on, but continuity for continuity's sake is moronic. I just see Shanny and co as muddling through without any clue to at least patch up the ship. Is there indeed a Shanaplan?

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Problem w/ this assessment, aside from missing completely the big picture of a team that looks utterly uninspired and devoid of any real leadership, is that it ignores the practical reality every team has injury issues such as these. The Bills were playing they're 3rd or 4th string left tackle I believe and they mostly dominated our defensive front 7. On the other side our 2nd string left tackle looked like he could absolutely care less about the game today and the offensive line was totally dominated by a Bills defense missing it's very best player.

Again, injuries are the excuse for the team that has no leadership or motivation. The other side of the coin (last year's Packers) is a roster smashed w/ injuries but still led to greatness.

They were actually down their top 3 defensive players in this game. Their left tackle was recently their left guard, and it has been shuffled around the past 2 or 3 weeks. All that and we get no pressure, and cant stop the run to save our lives. The future looks very dim in DC, sorry to say. One has to ask the question......If this continues, Is Mike Shanahan the answer for this team? Has the game passed him by? Is he still coaching because of his name?

and the final question I believe is the most relevant to the overall status of the team. I would hate to even fathom that like alot of free agents did in the past decade, coming here getting a huge payday based on prior exploits, only to perform substandard, or not perform at all, that the coach is also in that boat.
I dunno, but I dont sense any flow in the offense whatsoever. Its a mishmash of stretch plays and short passes that our receivers and qb cannot execute to save their lives.

[hail_2_da_skins]

Predictable!

[dgack]

What's scary is that Zorn went 12-20 in two seasons. Shanahan has won 9 games here, but at this point, finding another 3 wins this seasons looks dicey at best.

There is a better than average chance that Shanny finishes his first two years with an identical OR WORSE record than Mr. Medium. And almost no chance that he finishes this season with a better two year coaching record here.

I continue to think we should have given Gggrilliamss a shot after Joe retired. At least a Greggg Williams coached squad would have some swagger.

[REDSKINS4ever]

I've always respected Mike Shanahan as a great head coach in the NFL. But in Denver he had Gary Kubiak. Now he has his son. But Kyle Shanahan has succeeded before in having a top 5 NFL offense.

So, it's either the personnel on the field, or the play selection. In the first couple of weeks before the bye week win the Redskins were playing better than they are now, they had a healthy Tim Hightower, Santana Moss, Kory Lichtengster, and Trent Williams, and let's not forget about Chris Cooley, who has been productive at TE all of his career. Without those five players, the Redskins virtually have no offense at all. It doesn't matter if John Beck or if Rex Grossman is the QB. It wouldn't matter of Joe Theismann or Mark Rypien was the QB, this team is playing with backups, reserves with little or no NFL playing experience. And they are not playing well right now.

[diehard]

Just as there are players who benefit from a certain system but, fail outside of that system, I believe coaches can be exposed the same way. This is what Kyle is going through right now. He was successful elsewhere having adequate talent. However, the talent is severely lacking here. The best coaches can adapt, at least until more help arrives...

[Shadowbyte]

I never liked the Shannahans. I would rather have Bill Cowher as our coach or the offensive coordinator for Carolina.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

I never liked the Shannahans. I would rather have Bill Cowher as our coach or the offensive coordinator for Carolina.

We were never going to get Cowher. Nobody was able to get Cowher. And it looks like nobody else WILL be able to get Cowher because he's still on the Sunday pre-game show and appears to be having a good time.

[#56fanatic]

Of course I am frustrated, but look Shanny walked into a team that was overage, over paid, lazy bums. He is coaching what he was given. He has overhauled this roster, with some players that are decent veteran players that will fill into roles for this team. I dont care who you are, you can't come into any team in the NFL and completely turn a roster and philosophy over in 2 years. If the fans and ownership would understand that by blowing everything up every 2 years is doing more long term hard than any good, we'd be a better franchise. I have said a million times, I will suffer through a couple of crappy seasons of rebuilding to get to the point where the Pats, Steelers, Eagles, Giants are. We have to have a few drafts like this past draft to really make this team into a winner.

As far as going with Rex or Beck instead of getting a QB, no idea. But the only QB we had the opportunity to really get was Gabbert if I recall correctly. Maybe the coaches weren't too high on him and felt there is a much better class of QB's coming out end of this year, which there are 5 or 6 QB's that are coming out that are pretty damn good.

I want Snyder to give this staff 4 years. Another couple of drafts and get the players in here that fit the system, get some quality depth and let them run it.

This staff has proven to win, its not like they come here and all of the sudden forget football or how to coach. Haslett has been sucessful as a D coordinator, Shanny (kyle) has been sucessful as an offensive coordinator (an offense that led the league 2 years in a row) and Mike who has won 2 superbowls, so I think they know what they are doing.

[irish]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Of course I am frustrated, but look Shanny walked into a team that was overage, over paid, lazy bums. He is coaching what he was given. He has overhauled this roster, with some players that are decent veteran players that will fill into roles for this team. I dont care who you are, you can't come into any team in the NFL and completely turn a roster and philosophy over in 2 years. If the fans and ownership would understand that by blowing everything up every 2 years is doing more long term hard than any good, we'd be a better franchise. I have said a million times, I will suffer through a couple of crappy seasons of rebuilding to get to the point where the Pats, Steelers, Eagles, Giants are. We have to have a few drafts like this past draft to really make this team into a winner.

As far as going with Rex or Beck instead of getting a QB, no idea. But the only QB we had the opportunity to really get was Gabbert if I recall correctly. Maybe the coaches weren't too high on him and felt there is a much better class of QB's coming out end of this year, which there are 5 or 6 QB's that are coming out that are pretty damn good.

I want Snyder to give this staff 4 years. Another couple of drafts and get the players in here that fit the system, get some quality depth and let them run it.

This staff has proven to win, its not like they come here and all of the sudden forget football or how to coach. Haslett has been sucessful as a D coordinator, Shanny (kyle) has been sucessful as an offensive coordinator (an offense that led the league 2 years in a row) and Mike who has won 2 superbowls, so I think they know what they are doing.

Yep, Shanny came into a wasteland of an organization that had been bled dry of talent and draft picks for over a decade. He's not going to be able to fix that in a couple of years. I think at the end of 4 years Shanny will have the team just barely on the cusp of competing. Shanny has the team going in the right direction but its going to take a lot longer than anybody really wants it to take.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by irish

Yep, Shanny came into a wasteland of an organization that had been bled dry of talent and draft picks for over a decade. He's not going to be able to fix that in a couple of years. I think at the end of 4 years Shanny will have the team just barely on the cusp of competing. Shanny has the team going in the right direction but its going to take a lot longer than anybody really wants it to take.

Agreed, this is a 2014 project. As I stated in the 'Smackdown' thread, I think our overall roster is pathetic. Looking at our offensive and defensive depth charts, I only see 3 players on offense (Moss, Williams & Davis) and maybe 6 players on defense (Rak, Kerrigan, Cofield, Landry, Fletcher & Atogwe) that would be starters on good teams. That's 9 of 22. I can't think of a team with worse and less accomplished skill position players than we have. Then when any of the starters go down, beyond just having backups, we are playing backups who I feel would be challenged to make most NFL rosters at all. It spoke volumes about the state of our previous roster when most of the players we let go were not picked up by anyone, even recent starters such as Rabach, Dockery, Horton, Portis, etc. I can only think of 2 former 2010 Redskins starting elsewhere-Rogers and Reinhart. Anyone else?

I think it's impossible to judge our coaching staff fairly with what they are dealing with. Granted, Shanny has picked some of those players that wouldn't start anywhere else but that's more on him as a personnel guy.

For those wanting to can Kyle, I don't see the benefit in canning him. He needs to do a better job of game planning (his first two calls yesterday were weak and he gives up on the run quickly) but I think he needs some talent to work with.

On defense, Haslett is calling games for talent he doesn't have (same with Kyle really) and it's causing breakdowns. He hasn't seem to realize that you can't leave McIntosh in space, our corners struggle in off coverage, Rak needs counter moves or to be moved around, Kerrigan shouldn't be asked to cover and Landry needs to be playing more in the box.

Honestly, the only coach who I think is terrible is Danny Smith. When was the last time you remember the Redskins blocking a punt, going a stretch without a blocked FG or him actually developing a good player? Rocca has been a strength but he was good when he got here. Banks is one note. Sprint, cut to the sideline and hope for blocking. I don't see ANY coaching from that unit at all and it's been that way since he got here.

Preaching patience and stability. I hope Snyder doesn't cave to the pressure of media fueled zealots who want a quick trigger. Shanahan needs to be here for his entire contract. If there are moves made, hire a front office guy with personnel decision making power, spend money on scouts and commit to a program, long term.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Agreed, this is a 2014 project. As I stated in the 'Smackdown' thread, I think our overall roster is pathetic. Looking at our offensive and defensive depth charts, I only see 3 players on offense (Moss, Williams & Davis) and maybe 6 players on defense (Rak, Kerrigan, Cofield, Landry, Fletcher & Atogwe) that would be starters on good teams. That's 9 of 22. I can't think of a team with worse and less accomplished skill position players than we have. Then when any of the starters go down, beyond just having backups, we are playing backups who I feel would be challenged to make most NFL rosters at all. It spoke volumes about the state of our previous roster when most of the players we let go were not picked up by anyone, even recent starters such as Rabach, Dockery, Horton, Portis, etc. I can only think of 2 former 2010 Redskins starting elsewhere-Rogers and Reinhart. Anyone else?

I think it's impossible to judge our coaching staff fairly with what they are dealing with. Granted, Shanny has picked some of those players that wouldn't start anywhere else but that's more on him as a personnel guy.

For those wanting to can Kyle, I don't see the benefit in canning him. He needs to do a better job of game planning (his first two calls yesterday were weak and he gives up on the run quickly) but I think he needs some talent to work with.

On defense, Haslett is calling games for talent he doesn't have (same with Kyle really) and it's causing breakdowns. He hasn't seem to realize that you can't leave McIntosh in space, our corners struggle in off coverage, Rak needs counter moves or to be moved around, Kerrigan shouldn't be asked to cover and Landry needs to be playing more in the box.

Honestly, the only coach who I think is terrible is Danny Smith. When was the last time you remember the Redskins blocking a punt, going a stretch without a blocked FG or him actually developing a good player? Rocca has been a strength but he was good when he got here. Banks is one note. Sprint, cut to the sideline and hope for blocking. I don't see ANY coaching from that unit at all and it's been that way since he got here.

Preaching patience and stability. I hope Snyder doesn't cave to the pressure of media fueled zealots who want a quick trigger. Shanahan needs to be here for his entire contract. If there are moves made, hire a front office guy with personnel decision making power, spend money on scouts and commit to a program, long term.

Redskins special teams arent very special thats for sure.

I think a big reason the coaches are running their O & D even though they dont have the talent to make them work is to better identify where the talent short-comings really are; and to make those schemes SOP for the organization so that when the talent does get here the system has been in place for awhile.

[Alvin Walton]

I don't agree with anything positive being said about Kyle.
He's never coached a team into the playoffs and he's still wet behind the ears as far as I'm concerned.
He's been riding on his fathers coat tails.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

I don't agree with anything positive being said about Kyle.
He's never coached a team into the playoffs and he's still wet behind the ears as far as I'm concerned.
He's been riding on his fathers coat tails.

Kyle should be fired after the season cause he's shown that he can't make adjustments.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Kyle should be fired after the season cause he's shown that he can't make adjustments.

I agree after i just loooked at the box score:

12 Rushes 26 Yards

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And the skins were only down in the forth??