Yet another reason why Cris Carter is a moron

[RedskinRat]

With only one game played in pre-season it's a brave man who is willing to make a prediction based on past performance. That's their job, after all. Be contentious and make others join in the debate.

Who cares? ESPN is fine for highlights and such but opinions are rarely examined after the fact, unless you include things like the win-loss predictions on gameday.

That should tell you all you need to know.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Jontrem

Just pointing out that both Mike Golic and Mike Greeney picked the Redskins to go 5-11. I disagree with that as I dont think we are one game worse this year than we were last year but whatever. No on knows anything about how teams will be with only one pre-season game being played so far.

Given the Skins' schedule (4 games against the NFC West and games against Carolina and Buffalo) it is hard for me to see how they go only 5-11...

That would be an underachieving season.

[warriorzpath]

Let's not be naive people. what the media and fans think of a team-- does affect the performance of that team. And thus, impacting the wins and losses. Without this common understanding- I cannot continue this discussion- really any discussions because if I didn't feel that way, I wouldn't waste my time being on this site.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Let's not be naive people. what the media and fans think of a team-- does affect the performance of that team. And thus, impacting the wins and losses. Without this common understanding- I cannot continue this discussion- really any discussions because if I didn't feel that way, I wouldn't waste my time being on this site.

Sorry but I am mired in my naivete.

If your purpose on the site is to post things that are going to make the Skins win more games than they would without your postings, have at it. Your intentions are noble; I happen to think you are not going to affect a single outcome with your words.

What I am saying is that on this topic, you and I cannot reach a common understanding.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Sorry but I am mired in my naivete.

If your purpose on the site is to post things that are going to make the Skins win more games than they would without your postings, have at it. Your intentions are noble; I happen to think you are not going to affect a single outcome with your words.

What I am saying is that on this topic, you and I cannot reach a common understanding.

Look it's not that hard to understand. It's almost like there's some kind of macho denial. It's very simple.

Ok- let me give one simple example of how it affects a team:
Superstar Free agent Dick sees a team- that he heard from the MEDIA- was an upcoming team that has a superstar (also based on opinion). So he joins the team. And then several other free agents also join because of the same reason. That's how you get the offseason that the eagles got.

If that is too intangible for you to grasp, I'm sorry but...

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Look it's not that hard to understand. It's almost like there's some kind of macho denial. It's very simple.

Ok- let me give one simple example of how it affects a team:
Superstar Free agent Dick sees a team- that he heard from the MEDIA- was an upcoming team that has a superstar (also based on opinion). And then several other free agents also join because of the same reason. That's how you get the offseason that the eagles got.

If that is too intangible for you to grasp, I'm sorry but...

I mean really. Yes, individual players can be bothered by what the media says about them. And some cower from it. Others get motivated by it. But at the overall team level, whether Colin Cowherd says we'll go 2-14 or Ross Tucker says we'll go 10-6 is ultimately not a big deal.

And you really think the Eagles built their offseason because of what the media was saying about the team? You don't think maybe, just maybe, players talk to each other, agents to general managers, coaches talk to players? I mean if it's just the media why would Bruce Allen pick up the phone to call Josh Wilson's agent? Why wouldn't he just start a blog and have it republished on the Washington Post's site?

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I mean really. Yes, individual players can be bothered by what the media says about them. And some cower from it. Others get motivated by it. But at the overall team level, whether Colin Cowherd says we'll go 2-14 or Ross Tucker says we'll go 10-6 is ultimately not a big deal.

And you really think the Eagles built their offseason because of what the media was saying about the team? You don't think maybe, just maybe, players talk to each other, agents to general managers, coaches talk to players? I mean if it's just the media why would Bruce Allen pick up the phone to call Josh Wilson's agent? Why wouldn't he just start a blog and have it republished on the Washington Post's site?

I knew it would be just be too intangible for you to really understand. And I didn't say it was the sole reason why the eagles had this kind of offseason. But to deny that the opinion of the fans and media has an impact is just that- Denial.

[tryfuhl]

I think that I'm about to go.to Bed Bath & Beyond. I need baking sheets, some kitchen utensils, and a new gadget or two. A good deal on a fry pan or knife might entice me to spend a few extra dollars. Also realized that I have no clue where my wine glasses are.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I knew it would be just be too intangible for you to really understand. And I didn't say it was the sole reason why the eagles had this kind of offseason. But to deny opinion of the fans and media is just that- Denial.

Yeah, you basically said the Eagles free agents joined the Eagles because of what they heard in the media.

And no one's denying the opinion of the fans and the media. But it's just opinion.

I'll leave you with this.

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena...

[tryfuhl]

Not to mention Chipotle is next door to it. Carnitas!

[SmootSmack]

Gotta go with Barbacoa

I feel like I should merge this thread with...

http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lo...ouza-kant.html

[warriorzpath]

Ok even if you thought I said it was the only reason why- I just said it wasn't. And I just updated my post. It's not the opinion you are denying. It's the impact of the opinion.

The only thing that I can compare this to that you cam relate to is like you saying money won't change me I'll still be the same person. We are just on two different levels of thinking. I don't whose right and whose wrong. Let me say that if you think that belief and confidence have an affect - I would consider these a form of opinion. And I think it is important to have the fan base believe in a team because I believe it does affect the teams performance.

[Swarley]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Look it's not that hard to understand. It's almost like there's some kind of macho denial. It's very simple.

Ok- let me give one simple example of how it affects a team:
Superstar Free agent Dick sees a team- that he heard from the MEDIA- was an upcoming team that has a superstar (also based on opinion). So he joins the team. And then several other free agents also join because of the same reason. That's how you get the offseason that the eagles got.

If that is too intangible for you to grasp, I'm sorry but...

That doesn't even begin to support your earlier argument. You are saying that an "analysts" opinion on a team affects their performance (negatively at that).

Sit back and think for a second and ask yourself if you really mean what you're saying.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Ok even if you thought I said it was the only reason why- I just said it wasn't. And I just updated my post. It's not the opinion you are denying. It's the impact of the opinion.

The only thing that I can compare this to that you cam relate to is like you saying money won't change me I'll still be the same person. We are just on two different levels of thinking. I don't whose right and whose wrong. Let me say that if you think that belief and confidence have an affect - I would consider these a form of opinion. And I think it is important to have the fan base believe in a team because I believe it does affect the teams performance.

You think we'd be a better team if Colin Cowherd said he thought we'd be 11-5 this year?

[warriorzpath]

SS, what's funny is that your trying to hijack a thread in comedic way even tho you were engaged in a semi serious discussion.