Eli Manning vs Jason Campbell

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Uh please. Stop. They won yes. I'm not even a NE fan and I believe Eli was in the grass. The Refs should have called it. He throws up a hail marry. What would we be saying had a NE player caught the ball instead? The WR made the play. Barely. but he made the play. I would have also said the ball hit the ground cause in my eyes I'm seeing it move as the helmet hits the ground.

but you can argue the fact that they won. Skins have done nothing.

Ill admit i was glad the Giants won. Part of me doesnt want to see a team go undefeated -other than the skins ofcourse

[dgack]

Don't know how many of you have seen this yet but it's kind of depressing. Hopefully JC doesn't see this kind of crap and get discouraged, but basically it seems like the entire nation thinks he's in the bottom half of the league's QB's and there's only a handful of states (about 10) that think he's in the top half of NFL QB's.

ESPN.com Poll Results by State

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by dgack

Don't know how many of you have seen this yet but it's kind of depressing. Hopefully JC doesn't see this kind of crap and get discouraged, but basically it seems like the entire nation thinks he's in the bottom half of the league's QB's and there's only a handful of states (about 10) that think he's in the top half of NFL QB's.

ESPN.com Poll Results by State

Most states show a vote that is split pretty evenly between "in the top half" and "not in the top half." Given that, I think we could assume that conventional wisdom sees Jason Campbell in the 15-25 range at quarterback.

Not that it really matters what Joe America thinks of Campbell.

[SBXVII]

Funny what eight games can do. 6-2, Looking like the league MVP with no interceptions, controling the ball well. Then 2-6, He sucks, needs to be traded, can't get it done.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by dgack

ESPN.com Poll Results by State

We can also take away from this that 1/20 people nationally has a stronger opinion of Jason Campbell than I do.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Most states show a vote that is split pretty evenly between "in the top half" and "not in the top half." Given that, I think we could assume that conventional wisdom sees Jason Campbell in the 15-25 range at quarterback.

Not that it really matters what Joe America thinks of Campbell.

Yeah, I guess I expected there to be a lot more support in the expected areas (MD, VA, DC, MS. etc). What's probably very likely is the majority of people responding dont know a thing about his stats or scouting report, they just know he's the QB on a team that disappoints annually. Whose owner hung him out to dry in embarrassing fashion during the offseason.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by dgack

Yeah, I guess I expected there to be a lot more support in the expected areas (MD, VA, DC, MS. etc). What's probably very likely is the majority of people responding dont know a thing about his stats or scouting report, they just know he's the QB on a team that disappoints annually. Whose owner hung him out to dry in embarrassing fashion during the offseason.

Wait, the majority of people voting in an ESPN Sportsnation poll don't really have their facts straight? Tell me more!

[dgack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Wait, the majority of people voting in an ESPN Sportsnation poll don't really have their facts straight? Tell me more!

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[GTripp0012]

Campbell's Ranks in the following measures by year:

DVOA (holding)
17th, 22nd, 18th

DYAR (improving -- mostly due to increasing games started per season)
21st, 17th, 16th

Completion % (improving drastically)
30th, 24th, 14th

Y/A (holding)
22nd, 24th, 26th

Adj Y/A [TDs add 20 yards, INTs subtract 45] (holding)
18th, 18th, 19th

TD Rate (holding...the 2006 number is in a small sample)
7th, 26th, 30th

INT Rate (improving)
13th, 8th, 1st

Sack Rate (declining drastically)
4th, 12th, 23rd

I guess the key figure to watch is the yards per attempt. All of his other peripherals suggest that this number will improve by up to a yard this season, which would result in about 2-3 additional PPG for the offense from Campbell alone. But it hasn't really improved from the day he came into the league.

I think he's probably improving his efficiency, but his declining supporting cast is masking these effects. If we finally get the 10 other offensive players moving in the right direction, the big year is absolutely inevitable.

[DBUCHANON101]

Ill admit i thought the D.C area would show more love than they did.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by dgack

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[Giantone]

Originally Posted by KingRaloIV

No Burress in NY, I'll take JC over Eli anyday! He has comparable stats and he has got it done with lesser talent.

...........done what?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by pick-ups

This doofus is not clutch and the league has a love affair with his last name.

LOL.........wow,and this coming from a fan of a team that has won ....how many super bowls???He's come from behind and beaten your team twice,nope ..no pic of him throwing up in the Super bowl...nope!lol

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Uh please. Stop. They won yes. I'm not even a NE fan and I believe Eli was in the grass. The Refs should have called it. He throws up a hail marry. What would we be saying had a NE player caught the ball instead? The WR made the play. Barely. but he made the play. I would have also said the ball hit the ground cause in my eyes I'm seeing it move as the helmet hits the ground.

but you can argue the fact that they won. Skins have done nothing.

1) Eli was not in the grasp long enough the Ref was right there.

2)Barley or not he did it and the play had more then a couple of hundred cameras on it..........it didn't hit the ground

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by Giantone

LOL.........wow,and this coming from a fan of a team that has won ....how many super bowls???He's come from behind and beaten your team twice,nope ..no pic of him throwing up in the Super bowl...nope!lol

Last i checked we each had 3 SB's. correct me if im wrong.