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Camp Scrub
Join Date: Dec 2007
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Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??
I would like to comment on this thread but I don't want to jump the gun. Maybe he will work out... I honestly don't care who coaches they can hire Martha Stewart for all I care just as long as we ****ing win!!!!!!
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Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??
Sorry, nobody can convince me that Zorn was the worst hire of all time without even seeing him coach a single game.
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Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??
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I woudl also like to posit the idea that when we discuss whether a guy is a "good hire" what he did as coach is actually irrelevant because in my mind a "good hire" is a hire that was reasonable and well though out. For example...Spurrier was actually a "good hire" that simply didn't work. No one thought he'd suck as mucha s he did. In fact most believed it was a fantastic hire at the time. It wasn't a "bad hire" it was a bad result. Lane Kiffin was a "bad hire" there was not any good evidence that he was even a good coach and he was younger than half his team and all of hiw assistants. That's a "bad hire". Norv Turner in SD is probably a "bad hire". He has proven every where that he isn't the greatest HC and that was a great team they handed him. It may have worked for a year but does anyone think it will last? Bad hire. When We hired him it was a "good hire". Anyone see my point on this. As for Zorn I am on the fence really. I suspect it is going to work if Danny gives him the time but I am wary that DS will. I think it is hard to see if this a good hire until we know how DS is going to handle this. If he gives him time and pateince it was good hire but if he just wants Zorn to come in amake some magic in two years then it was a bad hire probably. |
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Join Date: Feb 2004
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Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??
I think we could probably say this was the worst coach hiring process of all time with little dissent. The only parallel I can draw is last year's Raider's hire of Kiffin. And he didn't turn out too bad, not that he's welcome in Oakland anymore...but that's another story.
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Join Date: Jan 2006
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Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??
I agree with FRPLG. If I were to rate the coaching search process by how quickly I was appeased then, sure, it was terrible. Instead I like to think "Hey, I'm really glad they thought this thing through and the hands-on owner is really comfortable with this hire." I've got very little issue with this coaching process...and that's in spite of me really wanting GW to be the next HC.
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Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??
I'm just wondering what major issues people had with the coaching search. Was it how long it took? Did they interview too many candiates or not enough?
Personally I think too many people got wrapped up in all the speculation and the misguided info we were receiving and took that stuff as fact. We certainly can't say the process wasn't thorough. It probably wasn't a conventional process, but at the same time we are so keyed in on the Skins that I think everything in a situation like this is magnified. And of course when you are dealing with a high profile team and owner, that certainly doesn't help matters. I doubt that if Buffalo went through something similar it would have drawn the same amount of national attention. |
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Join Date: Mar 2004
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Once the shock of "it's not going to be GW" wore off, the cloak and dagger approach to the hiring just stoked the coals. On top of ALL that - the habitual little lies of the front office ("Zorn was our first choice" righhhhhtttt) just pissed people off. Look, I wanted GW. I had come around to Fassell and am cautiously optimistic about Zorn. But DS's cloak and dagger approach to the whole thing only brings down and intensifies the anti-DS crowd. I have always been one who believed that honesty and appropriate disclosure are the best ways to deflect criticism - that and the balls to admit, openly, "I f***** up." DS's approach is one of aloof stonewalling and petty dishonesty (or, with a positive spin, "plausible deniabilty"). It's his toy, I only pay to support it (fool that I am), and, if that's how he wants to play it, well, then he will always invite criticism.
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First, there's the infamous "cotinuity" spiel at the presser when JG stepped down. Second, GW has had the "next head coach of the Washington Redskins" label for about 2 yrs plus the support of just about every player on the roster as well as the fans. Third, what's with multiple 12 hr interview sessions? There's thorough and then there's bizarre. Maybe other teams do this but I've just never heard of it. Fourth, DS hired his assistants before HC making this a situation that not too many head coaches would want to sign up for. Fifth, the fact that this was a PR fiasco, punctuated by the fact that we were all set to hire Fassel but because there was a huge collective "no effing way" from Redskins fans, DS got gun shy. Next, we set our sites on Spags but he took a look at the situation and said "thanks but no thanks." 6th, after getting shot down by Spags, DS decides to go with Zorn and we're supposed to believe that DS was so blown away by his initial interview that he thought immediately this guy was a head coaching option? If he was that good, why had not one other team had him on their radar? Does Dan just have an eye for coaching talent? I'm skeptical. In the end, the choice came off as a fall back option, imo. If you look solely at the time it took, then yes, it's easy to come to the conclusion that it was a well thought out coaching search. But if you actually look at the various missteps along the way, I don't think that's what it was. I'm not saying this will be a bad hire, as I have absolutely no idea what to expect next year. I am saying that this coaching search served the purpose of worsening the Redskins organization's reputation around the league.
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And I think you are generally wrong when it comes to why Fassel wasn't hired. He wasn't hired because VC didn't want to hire him. VC is responsible for that and I have no idea why people think DS cares what the fans think. Most fans think DS doesn't care at all what they think so why would this be any different? Quote:
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Join Date: Feb 2004
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Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??
Every written report regarding the hiring process said that Fassell was set to be hired but the negative fan reaction caused DS to rethink it. As far as Spags shooting us down- that doesn't mean that we offered him the job, it means he withdrew his name from consideration before we even got the chance. I agree you could see this a number of different ways but it looked to me like he got a look at our operations and thought that he would be well served not to have this be his first head coaching job.
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The other thing that really worries me is that some people (Ross Tucker for one, link in another thread) are saying that Cerrato wanted Zorn because he didn't want his authority challenged by an experienced head coach. IF and that's a big IF, that's true we are screwed.
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To be honest, the Skins aren't THAT far off the pace of those teams, and share a lot of the same philosophies. The Skins actually adhere to many principles of fiscal responsibility, and really try to attack the market when it is weakest. The way we attack the cap is by design, but the plan has gone critically wrong at a few key steps which has prevented this team from getting to the top of the league. Namely, if Lloyd and Archuleta had even a small percentage of a positive effect on the overall on-field talent, those contracts would look great in hindsight. The fact that they were both useless players absoulely backed this team up to the brink of disaster. Here's the only difference in philosophy between us and New England: When the Pats miss, it's on a second round receiver like Bethel Johnson or Chad Jackson who plays three seasons and then gets cut. When we miss, it costs the team $15 million in cap dollars and triple that in oppertunity costs/draft picks. Basically, I'm saying the "Redskins way" will work as soon as the team stops missing so badly on a couple of players. Then again, the team is one critical miss away from being so capped out that they have to dismantle the whole thing. Thus...forced to draft smartly.
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Join Date: Aug 2004
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Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??
Meh. Another blogger trying to make a name for himself by saying something outrageous.
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