Casserly Keeping his options open

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

2 playoff seasons and 2 losing seasons? I'd call that a mixed bag, inconsistency.

What do you call a 21-25 overall record?

More importantly, what would you call it if Joe Gibbs weren't the head coach and team president?

ok, how about a Super Bowl?

My point is, if the front office is doing such a horrible job now and is the focal point for a lot of the blame, would they receive an equal amount of praise if things turned around? Somehow I doubt it.

I've already said it before, regardless of his name, I am not satisfied with our current situation. Losing is never acceptable however, again regardless of his name, I wouldn't be calling for major changes.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

No one denies this. No one ever said it was easy to succeed in this league. Player acquisition is a tricky business, and plain 'ol luck is a large part of it.

The problem we have is, the same strategy is being used over and over again with the same pathetic results. Even since Gibbs' return, the "hits" that front office defenders are so quick to point out have amounted to a 21-25 record!

I don't think anyone assumes that once we have someone in Redskin Park with "General Manager" on his office door the fortunes of this team will magically lead us straight to a Lombardi Trophy. But it's all about what direction you're headed in, and whether you've experienced enough to learn from your past mistakes. I've said this over and over, and I'm growing tired of saying it -- but we know which strategy with regard to player-personnel doesn't work. Getting away from that philosophy -- regardless of the title of the person that changes it -- will signal that this organization is at least on the right track.

I agree with your post for the most part. All of our aquisitions have not worked out, but many have! I also firmly believe there is more than one way to achieve success. We have taken a tremendous amount of heat for not building throught the draft, conventionally as if that were the only path to the light. Again, look at the number of teams that used this method with NO success. I have no problem with combination of draft and FA. Look at the success rate of, and the difficulty of paying the high first round picks. Maybe it's better to trade down for more picks. The only point I want to make is, pioneering new and inventive ways to succeed is a risk/reward business, regardless of the business your in. I would prefer to lead the pack than to follow. I am totally confident that Joe2 can and will deliver the LONG TERM success we all would like to see.
I would not mind a GM (with winning track record) in the Skins equation. I would want Joe2 to bless the process or scrap it.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Just for the record (again) so that we all have it down. Who was going to predict the injuries that we've had this year? A totally healthy team has the same talent it had last year. The same team that took us to the playoffs. They'll be back next year, I mean look at the Eagles.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

ok, how about a Super Bowl?

My point is, if the front office is doing such a horrible job now and is the focal point for a lot of the blame, would they receive an equal amount of praise if things turned around? Somehow I doubt it.

I've already said it before, regardless of his name, I am not satisfied with our current situation. Losing is never acceptable however, again regardless of his name, I wouldn't be calling for major changes.

Those who defend this front office have to do it with "what ifs" and hypotheticals. The skeptics, those who criticize the current system only have to point to the scoreboard.

This is just a thought, but... the people who blindly and relentlessly defend the upper levels of the franchise who are in charge of personnel -- weren't they the same people who told us that everything would be fine once the exhibition games were over and the regular season started?

I'm not calling for major changes to the coaching staff. I believe the structure is fine just the way it is -- and Saunders WILL pay dividends, it's only a matter of time. And I don't buy into the 'too many cooks in the kitchen' arguement.

I am firmly on the side that says the personnel decision making process needs to be revised. What has to stop is the current system, which resembles a couple of teenagers with a blank check from Daddy Warbucks'.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Just for the record (again) so that we all have it down. Who was going to predict the injuries that we've had this year? A totally healthy team has the same talent it had last year. The same team that took us to the playoffs. They'll be back next year, I mean look at the Eagles.

We had one starter go down for the year. One. And we still had him for eight games.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Pierson. Portis. Springs.

One?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Pierson. Portis. Springs.

One?

Prioleau is not a starter. We still had Springs for more than half the year, along with Portis.

Let's not blame this season on injuries. That would take us to a whole new level of ignorance.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Those who defend this front office have to do it with "what ifs" and hypotheticals. The skeptics, those who criticize the current system only have to point to the scoreboard.

This is just a thought, but... the people who blindly and relentlessly defend the upper levels of the franchise who are in charge of personnel -- weren't they the same people who told us that everything would be fine once the exhibition games were over and the regular season started?

I'm not calling for major changes to the coaching staff. I believe the structure is fine just the way it is -- and Saunders WILL pay dividends, it's only a matter of time. And I don't buy into the 'too many cooks in the kitchen' arguement.

I am firmly on the side that says the personnel decision making process needs to be revised. What has to stop is the current system, which resembles a couple of teenagers with a blank check from Daddy Warbucks'.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Are you saying the coaching staff is fine but it doesn't really matter because they don't have the right players to coach?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Those who defend this front office have to do it with "what ifs" and hypotheticals. The skeptics, those who criticize the current system only have to point to the scoreboard.

This is just a thought, but... the people who blindly and relentlessly defend the upper levels of the franchise who are in charge of personnel -- weren't they the same people who told us that everything would be fine once the exhibition games were over and the regular season started?

I'm not calling for major changes to the coaching staff. I believe the structure is fine just the way it is -- and Saunders WILL pay dividends, it's only a matter of time. And I don't buy into the 'too many cooks in the kitchen' arguement.

I am firmly on the side that says the personnel decision making process needs to be revised. What has to stop is the current system, which resembles a couple of teenagers with a blank check from Daddy Warbucks'.

I disagree. Gibbs come in, has a rusty period with clock management issues and offensive issues. He still produces a 1300 yard rusher in that system, all the while GW leads the defense to third overall. The next year, with virtually the same team, Gibbs leads the team to a playoff win, two record setting team performances by both Portis and Moss. Both acquisitions of the current administration.

This year is most certainly an "off" year. While football is a team game, it's a lot of great individual efforts that make average teams great. You lose Pierson, Springs and Portis on day one. Springs and Portis are arguably MVPs on their respective sides of the ball. What is it that needs to be changed? Why does everyone have such a problem with how things are run?

After we made these offseason moves, we were all excited to be Super Bowl bound. Is it overspending then?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Prioleau is not a starter. We still had Springs for more than half the year, along with Portis.

Let's not blame this season on injuries. That would take us to a whole new level of ignorance.

Yes, Pierson IS a starter. He was scheduled to start alongside Taylor in the opener.

And as for injuries, tell that to Philly last year and this year. How many times did we see Kenny Wright and Adam Archuleta getting burned for touchdowns while covering the teams number one or number two receivers? I'm sure if a GM, Gibbs, Saunders, the turf guy or anyone knew both Springs and Pierson wouldn't be starting, they PROBABLY would have tried to sign a starting corner. Things like that are unforseen, you hope the team can handle it, but most can't.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Are you saying the coaching staff is fine but it doesn't really matter because they don't have the right players to coach?

Based on the past success of Gibbs, Williams, and Saunders, I don't think any deserve to be fired. That's not to say there weren't breakdowns in certain fundamentals of coaching, because obviously there were. For the sake of continuity with regard to offensive and defensive systems and philosophies, I think it's best that the coaching staff remain intact.

I just don't want them in charge of personnel anymore.

[Citizens for 81]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Prioleau is not a starter. We still had Springs for more than half the year, along with Portis.

Let's not blame this season on injuries. That would take us to a whole new level of ignorance.

GW said Prioleau was going to play ahead of AA after his injury.

Salave'a missed time as well.

Also, some players have been playing hurt like Griffin and Jansen.

[MTK]

So just because we had a banged up Portis for the first half of the season, and a still not quite 100% Springs for the second half, we should just overlook those key injuries in the grand scheme of the season?

I'd say it's very fair to factor injuries in to the final result of the season.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Based on the past success of Gibbs, Williams, and Saunders, I don't think any deserve to be fired. That's not to say there weren't breakdowns in certain fundamentals of coaching, because obviously there were. For the sake of continuity with regard to offensive and defensive systems and philosophies, I think it's best that the coaching staff remain intact.

I just don't want them in charge of personnel anymore.

I actually wouldn't mind the team letting go of Steve Jackson - Jerry Gray is a better secondary coach and do we really need a seperate safeties coach?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

So LT gets hurt, I guess it's just too bad, so sad for the Chargers right?

How about the Bengals in the playoffs last year with Palmer?

I think some people want someone who is omniscient rather than a GM.